Numbers and percentages of YDNA carriers in the Balkans countries.

[gidai]

I hope I did not get wrong in the calculations. I have selected the percentages in the Balkan countries from here. https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml
Then, using the latest data for the population of the Balkan countries, I calculated the number of YDNA carriers for each country and the proportions for the whole Balkan region. The number of carriers for each country is interesting I think. The results are in the second table.

Percentages
Region/Haplogroup ▾	I1	I2*/I2a	I2b	R1a	R1b	G	J2	J*/J1	E1b1b	T	Q	N	Population 2018
Albania	2	12	1.5	9	16	1.5	19.5	2	27.5	1	0	0	2668022
Bosnia-Herzegovina	4.5	50.5	0	18	3.5	1.5	5.5	1	11.5	0.5	0.5	1	3115982
Bulgaria	4	20	2	17	11	5	11	3	23.5	1.5	0.5	0.5	7519995
Croatia	5.5	37	1	24	8.5	2.5	6	1	10	0.5	1	0.5	4109669
Greece	3.5	9.5	1.5	11.5	15.5	6.5	23	3	21	4.5	0	0	10713748
Kosovo	5.5	2.5	0	4.5	21	0	16.5	0	47.5	0	0	0	1777604
Macedonia	3	23	1.5	13.5	12.5	4	14	2	21.5	1.5	0.5	0.5	2071278
Moldova	5	21	3	30.5	16	1	4	4	13	1	0	1.5	2998235
Montenegro	6	29.5	1.5	7.5	9.5	2.5	9	0.5	27	0	2	1.5	1206218
Romania	3.5	28	2.5	18	15.5	3	13.5	1	14	1	0.5	1.5	19706134
Serbia	8	34	0.5	18	6	2.5	9	1	15	0.5	1	2.5	7016127
Slovenia	9	20.5	1.5	38	18	1.5	2.5	0	5	1	0	0	2046818
												Total	64949830
Numerical
Region/Haplogroup ▾	I1	I2*/I2a	I2b	R1a	R1b	G	J2	J*/J1	E1b1b	T	Q	N
Albania	26680	160081	20010	120060	213441	20010	260132	26680	366853	13340	0	0
Bosnia-Herzegovina	70109	786785	0	280438	54529	23369	85689	15579	179168	7789	7789	15579
Bulgaria	150399	751999	75199	639199	413599	187999	413599	112799	883599	56399	18799	18799
Croatia	113015	760288	20548	493160	174660	51370	123290	20548	205483	10274	20548	10274
Greece	187490	508903	80353	616040	830315	348196	1232081	160706	1124943	241059	0	0
Kosovo	48884	22220	0	39996	186648	0	146652	0	422180	0	0	0
Macedonia	31069	238196	15534	139811	129454	41425	144989	20712	222662	15534	5178	5178
Moldova	74955	314814	44973	457230	239858	14991	59964	59964	194885	14991	0	22486
Montenegro	36186	177917	9046	45233	57295	15077	54279	3015	162839	0	12062	9046
Romania	344857	2758858	246326	1773552	1527225	295592	1330164	98530	1379429	98530	49265	147796
Serbia	280645	1192741	17540	631451	210483	87701	315725	35080	526209	17540	35080	87701
Slovenia	92106	209798	15351	388895	184213	15351	25585	0	51170	10234	0	0
TOTAL number	1456395	7882600	544880	5625065	4221720	1101081	4192149	553613	5719420	485690	148721	316859
% from TOTAL	4.51	24.44	1.68	17.44	13.09	3.41	12.99	1.71	17.73	1.5	0.46	0.98
32248193 Balkans men

Chart of the number of carriers/country.

 

[gidai]

The percentages of major Y-haplogroups across all Balkans men are in the following order.
I2+I1 exceeds 30,5%. On the whole, E1b1b goes beyond R1a and J exceeds R1b.

Haplogroups in Balkans	I2	E1b1b	R1a	J	R1b	I1	G	T	N	Q
(%)	26.12	17.73	17.44	14.7	13.09	4.51	3.41	1.5	0.98	0.46

Due to the population that represents 30,3% of all Balkans population, most of these Y haplogroups I1, I2, R1a, R1b, E1b1b, J, N and Q carriers are found in Romania, except for G and T carriers, which are more numerous in Greece that have the second numerous 16,4% of Balkans population.

 

[Nik]

The percentages of Albania seem like they come from a really bad study because those match perfectly with the Tosks (South Albanian + ethnic minorities).

If you check the Albanian Bloodlines results you'll see a much higher E-V13, R1b, and J2b. And if you remove the Vlachs and Greeks, you'll notice a considerable drop of I2a, R1a, and even J2a.

 

[gidai]

The percentages of Albania seem like they come from a really bad study because those match perfectly with the Tosks (South Albanian + ethnic minorities).

If you check the Albanian Bloodlines results you'll see a much higher E-V13, R1b, and J2b. And if you remove the Vlachs and Greeks, you'll notice a considerable drop of I2a, R1a, and even J2a.

I do not know... Why to remove?... You can make different combinations but, I have calculated for the whole Balkan countries, except Turkey because I did not find all data about it's Balkan part.
About the sub-haplogroups specific mostly to the Albanians, I do not know so I do not talk, but probably is like some kind of founder efect or statistical fluctuations in a small zone. I think also, inside greater country, this happens in small zones. Albania being smaller, probably falls into one of these zonal fluctuations. It has only 6,3% E and J and 4% of all Balkan population.

 

[Nik]

I do not know... Why to remove?... You can make different combinations but, I have calculated for the whole Balkan countries, except Turkey because I did not find all data about it's Balkan part.
About the sub-haplogroups specific mostly to the Albanians, I do not know so I do not talk, but probably is like some kind of founder efect or statistical fluctuations in a small zone. I think also, inside greater country, this happens in small zones. Albania being smaller, probably falls into one of these zonal fluctuations. It has only 6,3% E and J and 4% of all Balkan population.

I did not really understand what you said, but to clarify my previous post is that the data you put there represent only the Tosk population. In a Tosk + Gheg average the levels of E, R1b, and J2b will increase and the levels of I2a, R1a, and J2a will fall. Such an increase/decrease will also happen if you remove the Vlachs and Greeks of the area who apparently have mostly Slavic DNA as per today's consensus on I2a as I think everyone agrees R1a is Slavic.

 

[gidai]

I did not really understand what you said, but to clarify my previous post is that the data you put there represent only the Tosk population. In a Tosk + Gheg average the levels of E, R1b, and J2b will increase and the levels of I2a, R1a, and J2a will fall. Such an increase/decrease will also happen if you remove the Vlachs and Greeks of the area who apparently have mostly Slavic DNA as per today's consensus on I2a as I think everyone agrees R1a is Slavic.

I do not know the details you say about the Albanians, but if you know the data are not correct, you should talk to Maciamo.

The tables are with statistics in Balkans countries, not with Vlachs or Slavs or Greeks Or Albanians or Romanians or.... so on. And lool... Why to remove any of balkans people?
As for the term Slav... it is very ambiguous.

An example of statistical fluctuation is for example if you throw 30 stones in two different colors 15 white and 15 black, on a certain bounded surface. You will have 50% white and 50% black stones distributed there. But if you put a circle with the area 10 times smaller, anywhere on that surface you will find that you will most likely have only 3 stones in that small area and quite often they will be of the same color. Another nearby area could have stones of the oposite color... although the proportion in the larger area is 50% white and 50% black. It is a similarity with the different proportions of haplogroups in small areas, which differ from the average on larger area, or from other nearby small area. People also create their own borders and have descendants, so the founding effect appears easily in small areas.