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    Numbers and percentages of YDNA carriers in the Balkans countries.

    I hope I did not get wrong in the calculations. I have selected the percentages in the Balkan countries from here. https://www.eupedia.com/europe/europ...logroups.shtml
    Then, using the latest data for the population of the Balkan countries, I calculated the number of YDNA carriers for each country and the proportions for the whole Balkan region. The number of carriers for each country is interesting I think. The results are in the second table.

    Percentages
    Region/Haplogroup ▾
    I1 I2*/I2a I2b R1a R1b G J2 J*/J1 E1b1b T Q N Population 2018
    Albania
    2 12 1.5 9 16 1.5 19.5 2 27.5 1 0 0 2668022
    Bosnia-Herzegovina 4.5 50.5 0 18 3.5 1.5 5.5 1 11.5 0.5 0.5 1 3115982
    Bulgaria 4 20 2 17 11 5 11 3 23.5 1.5 0.5 0.5 7519995
    Croatia 5.5 37 1 24 8.5 2.5 6 1 10 0.5 1 0.5 4109669
    Greece 3.5 9.5 1.5 11.5 15.5 6.5 23 3 21 4.5 0 0 10713748
    Kosovo 5.5 2.5 0 4.5 21 0 16.5 0 47.5 0 0 0 1777604
    Macedonia 3 23 1.5 13.5 12.5 4 14 2 21.5 1.5 0.5 0.5 2071278
    Moldova 5 21 3 30.5 16 1 4 4 13 1 0 1.5 2998235
    Montenegro 6 29.5 1.5 7.5 9.5 2.5 9 0.5 27 0 2 1.5 1206218
    Romania 3.5 28 2.5 18 15.5 3 13.5 1 14 1 0.5 1.5 19706134
    Serbia 8 34 0.5 18 6 2.5 9 1 15 0.5 1 2.5 7016127
    Slovenia 9 20.5 1.5 38 18 1.5 2.5 0 5 1 0 0 2046818
    Total
    64949830
    Numerical
    Region/Haplogroup ▾
    I1 I2*/I2a I2b R1a R1b G J2 J*/J1 E1b1b T Q N
    Albania
    26680 160081 20010 120060 213441 20010 260132 26680 366853 13340 0 0
    Bosnia-Herzegovina 70109 786785 0 280438 54529 23369 85689 15579 179168 7789 7789 15579
    Bulgaria 150399 751999 75199 639199 413599 187999 413599 112799 883599 56399 18799 18799
    Croatia 113015 760288 20548 493160 174660 51370 123290 20548 205483 10274 20548 10274
    Greece 187490 508903 80353 616040 830315 348196 1232081 160706 1124943 241059 0 0
    Kosovo 48884 22220 0 39996 186648 0 146652 0 422180 0 0 0
    Macedonia 31069 238196 15534 139811 129454 41425 144989 20712 222662 15534 5178 5178
    Moldova 74955 314814 44973 457230 239858 14991 59964 59964 194885 14991 0 22486
    Montenegro 36186 177917 9046 45233 57295 15077 54279 3015 162839 0 12062 9046
    Romania 344857 2758858 246326 1773552 1527225 295592 1330164 98530 1379429 98530 49265 147796
    Serbia 280645 1192741 17540 631451 210483 87701 315725 35080 526209 17540 35080 87701
    Slovenia 92106 209798 15351 388895 184213 15351 25585 0 51170 10234 0 0
    TOTAL number 1456395
    7882600 544880 5625065 4221720 1101081 4192149 553613 5719420 485690 148721 316859
    % from TOTAL 4.51
    24.44 1.68 17.44 13.09 3.41 12.99 1.71 17.73 1.5 0.46 0.98
    32248193 Balkans men

    Chart of the number of carriers/country.
    Screenshot_2019-01-20 Ydna Raspandirea numerica in Balcani.jpg
    Last edited by gidai; 20-01-19 at 07:22.

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    The percentages of major Y-haplogroups across all Balkans men are in the following order.
    I2+I1 exceeds 30,5%. On the whole, E1b1b goes beyond R1a and J exceeds R1b.
    Haplogroups in Balkans I2 E1b1b R1a J R1b I1 G T N Q
    (%) 26.12 17.73 17.44 14.7 13.09 4.51 3.41 1.5 0.98 0.46


    Due to the population that represents 30,3% of all Balkans population, most of these Y haplogroups I1, I2, R1a, R1b, E1b1b, J, N and Q carriers are found in Romania, except for G and T carriers, which are more numerous in Greece that have the second numerous 16,4% of Balkans population.
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    Y-DNA haplogroup
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    The percentages of Albania seem like they come from a really bad study because those match perfectly with the Tosks (South Albanian + ethnic minorities).

    If you check the Albanian Bloodlines results you'll see a much higher E-V13, R1b, and J2b. And if you remove the Vlachs and Greeks, you'll notice a considerable drop of I2a, R1a, and even J2a.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nik View Post
    The percentages of Albania seem like they come from a really bad study because those match perfectly with the Tosks (South Albanian + ethnic minorities).

    If you check the Albanian Bloodlines results you'll see a much higher E-V13, R1b, and J2b. And if you remove the Vlachs and Greeks, you'll notice a considerable drop of I2a, R1a, and even J2a.
    I do not know... Why to remove?... You can make different combinations but, I have calculated for the whole Balkan countries, except Turkey because I did not find all data about it's Balkan part.
    About the sub-haplogroups specific mostly to the Albanians, I do not know so I do not talk, but probably is like some kind of founder efect or statistical fluctuations in a small zone. I think also, inside greater country, this happens in small zones. Albania being smaller, probably falls into one of these zonal fluctuations. It has only 6,3% E and J and 4% of all Balkan population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gidai View Post
    I do not know... Why to remove?... You can make different combinations but, I have calculated for the whole Balkan countries, except Turkey because I did not find all data about it's Balkan part.
    About the sub-haplogroups specific mostly to the Albanians, I do not know so I do not talk, but probably is like some kind of founder efect or statistical fluctuations in a small zone. I think also, inside greater country, this happens in small zones. Albania being smaller, probably falls into one of these zonal fluctuations. It has only 6,3% E and J and 4% of all Balkan population.
    I did not really understand what you said, but to clarify my previous post is that the data you put there represent only the Tosk population. In a Tosk + Gheg average the levels of E, R1b, and J2b will increase and the levels of I2a, R1a, and J2a will fall. Such an increase/decrease will also happen if you remove the Vlachs and Greeks of the area who apparently have mostly Slavic DNA as per today's consensus on I2a as I think everyone agrees R1a is Slavic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nik View Post
    I did not really understand what you said, but to clarify my previous post is that the data you put there represent only the Tosk population. In a Tosk + Gheg average the levels of E, R1b, and J2b will increase and the levels of I2a, R1a, and J2a will fall. Such an increase/decrease will also happen if you remove the Vlachs and Greeks of the area who apparently have mostly Slavic DNA as per today's consensus on I2a as I think everyone agrees R1a is Slavic.
    I do not know the details you say about the Albanians, but if you know the data are not correct, you should talk to Maciamo.

    The tables are with statistics in Balkans countries, not with Vlachs or Slavs or Greeks Or Albanians or Romanians or.... so on. And lool... Why to remove any of balkans people?
    As for the term Slav... it is very ambiguous.

    An example of statistical fluctuation is for example if you throw 30 stones in two different colors 15 white and 15 black, on a certain bounded surface. You will have 50% white and 50% black stones distributed there. But if you put a circle with the area 10 times smaller, anywhere on that surface you will find that you will most likely have only 3 stones in that small area and quite often they will be of the same color. Another nearby area could have stones of the oposite color... although the proportion in the larger area is 50% white and 50% black. It is a similarity with the different proportions of haplogroups in small areas, which differ from the average on larger area, or from other nearby small area. People also create their own borders and have descendants, so the founding effect appears easily in small areas.
    Last edited by gidai; 10-02-19 at 16:56.

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