Politics Greek parliament approves Macedonia's new name

This greeks are so f*cking brainwashed really.
All this propaganda from Greece (in in cooperation with Bulgarians) is because Bucharest peacfull agreement from 1913year (where Aegea and Pirin part of Macedonia was were taken by Greece and Bulgaria), so agreement is about IF after 100 years (2013) Macedonians wants to independent and create Macedonia again(Macedonia independence 1991) , Greece and Bulgaria must to return the taken parts from Macedonia, so thats whole propaganda and genocid od 300.000 Macedonians in Aegea part of Macedonia , nowdays in Greece is about milion Macedonians who cant declarated like Macedonians and cant speak their language because nazi propaganda and massive brainwashing.
Greek HISTORY from 1821 year all rest is Greek MYTHology.
Greek country was created by German historians with help from West.
 
BBC News
Greece's invisible minority - the Macedonian Slavs

24 February 2019 Stories

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Greeks protest in Thessaloniki against the agreement on the name North Macedonia
By ratifying an agreement with the newly renamed Republic of North Macedonia, Greece has implicitly recognised the existence of a Macedonian language and ethnicity. And yet it has denied the existence of its own Macedonian minority for decades, says Maria Margaronis. Will something now change?
Mr Fokas, 92, stands straight as a spear in his tan leather brogues and cream blazer, barely leaning on the ebony and ivory cane brought from Romania by his grandfather a century ago. His mind and his memory are as sharp as his outfit.
A retired lawyer, Mr Fokas speaks impeccable formal Greek with a distinctive lilt: his mother tongue is Macedonian, a Slavic language related to Bulgarian and spoken in this part of the Balkans for centuries. At his son's modern house in a village in northern Greece, he takes me through the painful history of Greece's unrecognised Slavic-speaking minority.
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Mr Fokas takes care to emphasise from the start that he is both an ethnic Macedonian and a Greek patriot. He has good reason to underline his loyalty: for almost a century, ethnic Macedonians in Greece have been objects of suspicion and, at times, persecution, even as their presence has been denied by almost everyone.
Most are reluctant to speak to outsiders about their identity. To themselves and others, they're known simply as "locals" ( dopyi ), who speak a language called "local" ( dopya ). They are entirely absent from school history textbooks, have not featured in censuses since 1951 (when they were only patchily recorded, and referred to simply as "Slavic-speakers"), and are barely mentioned in public. Most Greeks don't even know that they exist.
That erasure was one reason for Greece's long-running dispute with the former Yugoslav republic now officially called the Republic of North Macedonia. The dispute was finally resolved last month by a vote in the Greek parliament ratifying (by a majority of just seven) an agreement made last June by the countries' two prime ministers. When the Greek Prime Minster, Alexis Tsipras, referred during the parliamentary debate to the existence of "Slavomacedonians" in Greece - at the time of World War Two - he was breaking a long-standing taboo.
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The use of the name "Macedonia" by the neighbouring nation state implicitly acknowledges that Macedonians are a people in their own right, and opens the door to hard questions about the history of Greece's own Macedonian minority.
When Mr Fokas was born, the northern Greek region of Macedonia had only recently been annexed by the Greek state. Until 1913 it was part of the Ottoman Empire, with Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia all wooing its Slavic-speaking inhabitants as a means to claiming the territory. It was partly in reaction to those competing forces that a distinctive Slav Macedonian identity emerged in the late 19th and early 20th Century. As Mr Fokas's uncle used to say, the family was "neither Serb, nor Greek, nor Bulgarian, but Macedonian Orthodox".
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In the end, the Slav Macedonians found themselves divided between those three new states. In Greece, some were expelled; those who remained were pushed to assimilate. All villages and towns with non-Greek names were given new ones, chosen by a committee of scholars in the late 1920s, though almost a century later some "locals" still use the old ones.
In 1936, when Mr Fokas was nine years old, the Greek dictator Ioannis Metaxas (an admirer of Mussolini) banned the Macedonian language, and forced Macedonian-speakers to change their names to Greek ones.
Mr Fokas remembers policemen eavesdropping on mourners at funerals and listening at windows to catch anyone speaking or singing in the forbidden tongue. There were lawsuits, threats and beatings.
Women - who often spoke no Greek - would cover their mouths with their headscarves to muffle their speech, but Mr Fokas's mother was arrested and fined 250 drachmas, a big sum back then.
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Macedonian villagers in Greece in 1947
"Slavic-speakers suffered a lot from the Greeks under Metaxas," he says. "Twenty people from this village, the heads of the big families, were exiled to the island of Chios. My father-in-law was one of them." They were tortured by being forced to drink resin oil, a powerful laxative.
When Germany, Italy and Bulgaria invaded Greece in 1941, some Slavic-speakers welcomed the Bulgarians as potential liberators from Metaxas's repressive regime. But many soon joined the resistance, led by the Communist Party (which at that time supported the Macedonian minority) and continued fighting with the Communists in the civil war that followed the Axis occupation. (Bulgaria annexed the eastern part of Greek Macedonia from 1941 to 1944, committing many atrocities; many Greeks wrongly attribute these to Macedonians, whom they identify as Bulgarians.)
When the Communists were finally defeated, severe reprisals followed for anyone associated with the resistance or the left.
"Macedonians paid more than anyone for the civil war," Mr Fokas says. "Eight people were court-martialled and executed from this village, eight from the next village, 23 from the one opposite. They killed a grandfather and his grandson, just 18 years old."
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A Greek protester wears a Balkan War uniform to oppose the agreement on "North Macedonia"
Mr Fokas was a student in Thessaloniki then - but he too was arrested and spent three years on the prison island of Makronisos, not because of anything he'd done but because his mother had helped her brother-in-law escape through the skylight of a cafe where he was being held.
Most of the prisoners on Makronisos were Greek leftists, and were pressed to sign declarations of repentance for their alleged Communist past. Those who refused were made to crawl under barbed wire, or beaten with thick bamboo canes. "Terrible things were done," Mr Fokas says. "But we mustn't talk about them. It's an insult to Greek civilisation. It harms Greece's good name."
Tens of thousands of fighters with the Democratic Army, about half of them Slavic-speakers, went into exile in Eastern bloc countries during and after the civil war. About 20,000 children were taken across the border by the Communists, whether for their protection or as reserve troops for a future counter-attack.
Many Slavic-speaking civilians also went north for safety. Entire villages were left empty, like the old settlement of Krystallopigi (Smrdes in Macedonian) near the Albanian border, where only the imposing church of St George stands witness to a population that once numbered more than 1,500 souls.
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In 1982, more than 30 years after the conflict's end, Greece's socialist government issued a decree allowing civil war refugees to return - but only those who were "of Greek ethnicity". Ethnic Macedonians from Greece remained shut out of their country, their villages and their land; families separated by the war were never reunited.
Mr Fokas's father-in-law and brother-in-law both died in Skopje. But, he points out, that decree tacitly recognised that there were ethnic Macedonians in Greece, even though the state never officially recognised their existence: "Those war refugees left children, grandchildren, fathers, mothers behind. What were they, if not Macedonians?"
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It's impossible accurately to calculate the number of Slavic-speakers or descendants of ethnic Macedonians in Greece. Historian Leonidas Embiricos estimates that more than 100,000 still live in the Greek region of Macedonia, though only 10,000 to 20,000 would identify openly as members of a minority - and many others are proud Greek nationalists.
The Macedonian language hasn't officially been banned in Greece for decades, but the fear still lingers. A middle-aged man I met in a village near the reed beds of Lake Prespa, where the agreement between Greece and the North Macedonian republic was first signed last June, explained that this fear is passed down through the generations. "My parents didn't speak the language at home in case I picked it up and spoke it in public. To protect me. We don't even remember why we're afraid any more," he said. Slowly the language is dying. Years of repression pushed it indoors; assimilation is finishing the job.
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The borders of Greece, North Macedonia and Albania meet in Lake Prespa
And yet speaking or singing in Macedonian can still be cause for harassment. Mr. Fokas' son is a musician; he plays the haunting Macedonian flute for us as his own small son looks on. He and a group of friends used to host an international music festival in the village square, with bands from as far away as Brazil, Mexico and Russia.
"After those bands had played we'd have a party and play Macedonian songs," he says. "None of them were nationalist or separatist songs - we would never allow that. But in 2008, just as we were expecting the foreign musicians to arrive, the local authority suddenly banned us from holding the festival in the square, even though other people - the very ones who wanted us banned - still hold their own events there."
Greece's position
The Greek government officially recognises only one minority - the Muslim minority of Thrace
It has historically regarded the Macedonian Slavs of Greek Macedonia as a linguistic rather than a national group, referring to them as Slavophone Greeks or bilingual Greeks - the agreement on the name of North Macedonia requires Skopje to change its constitution to remove references to a "minority" in Greece
A document issued in the early 1990s , says that "almost all the bilingual inhabitants of the area whose national consciousness was not Greek moved to neighbouring states" in the first half of the 20th Century - by implication, any bilingual people who remained possessed Greek national consciousness
At the last minute, the festival was moved to a field outside the village, among the reeds and marshes, without proper facilities - which, Mr Fokas's son points out, only made Greece look bad.
"And do you know why the songs are banned in the square but not the fields outside?" his father adds. "Because around the square there are cafes, and local people could sit there and watch and listen secretly. But outside the village they were afraid to join in - they would have drawn attention to themselves by doing that."
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Protests against the agreement on the name of North Macedonia became violent
The ratification of Greece's agreement with the Republic of North Macedonia - and its implicit recognition of a Macedonian language and ethnicity - is a major political breakthrough which should help to alleviate such fears. But the process has also sparked new waves of anger and anxiety, with large, sometimes violent protests opposing the agreement, supported by parts of the Orthodox church.
An election is due before the end of the year. Greece's right-wing opposition has been quick to capitalise on nationalist sentiments, accusing the Syriza government of treason and betrayal. For Greece's Slavic-speakers, who have long sought nothing more than the right to cultural expression, the time to emerge from the shadows may not quite yet have arrived.
Mr Fokas has been referred to by his first name to protect his identity
 
That is before 4 days.

the protest and the resist maybe 'just started'

the 'trecious' Pisoderi treaty,
as chosen place, and as treaty is considered bdelygma, in Makedonia.

that is before 4 Days,
in a small town,
when a minister of traitors came to speak

2 buses of armed police, closed roads, and more than 400 policemen to protect the 70 people inside.

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In MAKEDONIA we live the new JUNDA of USA and Jeoffrey Pyatt,

they arrest children and young and send them to court for singing Famous Makedonia.

the bellow is from the protest outside a small local court,



In Makedonia we are looking for the new Phillip to organise us against the Traitors, Goverment and US Pyatt.

we are not Yugo-Makedonians, mr Pyatt.
we are the Makedonians.

you just another failure mr Pyatt,
as you did in Ukraine.
 
Like a new Junda,
entrance to public poilitical congresses is forbiden to journalists that support the Makedonian resist.

Only those who are in same route with USA and Radical left will do their job,
THE OTHERS ARE 'ENEMIES.

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Syriza party which ones mades gatherings big enough and up to 1-3000 people.
today only 100 people went to the gathering,
Most of them are paid employ.


same in other towns in Makedonia.

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TIME USA TO LEAVE MAKEDONIA,
EITHER YOU MIGHT START A NEW UKRAINE AND CRIMAIA HERE Mr PYATT,
GO HOME ALEXIS
 
This greeks are so f*cking brainwashed really.
All this propaganda from Greece (in in cooperation with Bulgarians) is because Bucharest peacfull agreement from 1913year (where Aegea and Pirin part of Macedonia was were taken by Greece and Bulgaria), so agreement is about IF after 100 years (2013) Macedonians wants to independent and create Macedonia again(Macedonia independence 1991) , Greece and Bulgaria must to return the taken parts from Macedonia, so thats whole propaganda and genocid od 300.000 Macedonians in Aegea part of Macedonia , nowdays in Greece is about milion Macedonians who cant declarated like Macedonians and cant speak their language because nazi propaganda and massive brainwashing.
Greek HISTORY from 1821 year all rest is Greek MYTHology.
Greek country was created by German historians with help from West.

Od kude si?
 
Athens Slams BBC over ‘Greece’s Macedonian Minority’ Report


Sinisa Jakov Marusic
Skopje
BIRN
February 26, 2019

Greece's ambassador to London sent a letter of complaint to the BBC over a report about a “Macedonian Slav minority” in the country - whose existence Athens denies.

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A newly-changed signpost at the Greek-North Macedonian border. Photo: EPA-EFE/GEORGI LICOVSKI

Greek ambassador Dimitris Karamitsos-Tziras complained to the British public broadcaster on Monday, saying that a BBC article entitled “Greece’s invisible minority – the Macedonian Slavs” was inaccurate because no such minority exists.
“There is only one minority in Greece, as recognized by international treaties, namely the Muslim minority,” Karamitsos-Tziras said in his letter to the BBC, which published its report on Sunday.
The BBC article, which focuses on the recollections of a 92-year-old Greek citizen whose mother language is the Macedonian, giving an overview on the complicated history of Greece’s northern province of Macedonia, caused a stir in both Greece and neighbouring North Macedonia.
“It’s impossible accurately to calculate the number of Slavic-speakers or descendants of ethnic Macedonians in Greece,” the BBC article states.
“Historian Leonidas Embiricos estimates that more than 100,000 still live in the Greek region of Macedonia, though only 10,000 to 20,000 would identify openly as members of a minority – and many others are proud Greek nationalists,” it adds.
“Speaking or singing in Macedonian can still be cause for harassment,” it also claims.
While many news outlets in North Macedonia assessed the article positively, expressing hope that it will shed more light on this barely contested topic, media and the main opposition New Democracy party in Greece issued predominantly harsh responses, fearing that this might encourage irredentism in the northern Greek province.
The Greek ambassador also insisted that the article contains historical inaccuracies which harm his country.
He argued that it does not do justice to the Prespa Agreement, reached last summer – a historic deal between Athens and Skopje which resolved the decades-long bilateral dispute between Greece and saw Macedonia rename itself North Macedonia.
Greece had long claimed that the neighbour state’s use of the name Macedonia implied territorial claims on the northern Greek province of the same name.
“The article postulates that ‘by ratifying an agreement with the newly renamed Republic of North Macedonia, Greece has implicitly recognized the existence of a Macedonian language and ethnicity’,” Karamitsos-Tziras wrote.
“The Prespa Agreement in no way leads to the ‘implicit recognition’ of any minority in our country, as the writer incorrectly and arbitrarily holds,” the ambassador said.
He insisted that the name agreement, on the contrary, stipulates that both countries will not interfere in each other’s internal affairs.
The BBC article tackles the sharply divisive topic of the history of the Greek region of Macedonia from the beginning of the 20th Century to the present day.
Athens does not recognize the presence of a Macedonian-speaking minority in the country, and has been officially referring to them simply as Slavic-speaking or bilingual Greeks.
It also does not recognize, the people who fled the 1946-1949 Greek civil war between the right-wing monarchist government and the Democratic Army of Greece, a branch of the Communist party, as Macedonians, although many thousands of them, and their descendants, now live in neighbouring North Macedonia and across the world and hold regular annual meetings in Skopje and in other places.
 
Sputnik also recognises the presence of a Slavo-Macedonian minority in Greece
By Panos Paraskevopoulos On 27 Feb 2019, 5:36 am




The BBC Channel story narrating the presence of a suppressed ethnic Macedonian minority in Northern Greece appears to have set off a chain of reactions in the press. In the immediate aftermath of Mrs. Maria Margaroni’s story at the BBC Channel, a letter of complaint was delivered by Greece’s Ambassador to Britain Mr. Dimitris Caramitsos-Tziras to the channel’s officials. In the letter the Greek Ambassador criticised the channel officials for not rectifying the story’s historical inaccuracies and distorted interpretation of the provisions of the ground-breaking initiative towards establishing trans-Balkan peace, the Prespes Agreement.
However, before the fuss over BBC’s story subsided, another report by Russian state-run Sputnik came into public spotlight. The Greek subsidiary of the Russian news agency distributed to press a recent interview handled by journalist Lambros Zaharis with Pavlos Voskopoulos, a self-proclaimed Greek national of Slavo-Macedonian origins. Mr. Voskopoulos is also the co-founder and leader of the Slavo-Macedonian Rainbow Political Party – the alleged political representation of ethnic Slavo-Macedonians in the Greek political environment.
In his recent interview at Sputnik Greece, Mr. Voskopoulos provided a detailed analysis over the presence of a local ethnic Slavo-Macedonian minority in Greece. According to Mr. Voskopoulos, ethnic Slavo-Macedonians in Greece suffer from decades-long discrimination practices, similar in scale to the 1930s Nazi German regime, especially in relation to violations of their linguistic rights. These are still citizens of the Greek state but possess a distinctive Slavo-Macedonian identity. The Rainbow political party leader admitted that these citizens have been widely neglected both by state authorities and Greek-Macedonians who treat them as foreigners in their own country. Mr. Voskopoulos acknowledged the presence of 500 villages in northern Greece, located mostly within the Administrative Region of Macedonia, near the cities of Kastoria, Naousa, and Veria. South-Slavonic Macedonian language villages may also be found as far as the city of Drama in the norther-eastern part of Greece.




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The Rainbow party head lauded the June 2018 Prespes Agreement, denoting that it officially recognises the existence of a South-Slavonic Macedonian language after a century of ignorance and repression. In his closing message, Mr. Voskopoulos requested the progressive integration of Macedonian language lessons in the Greek schools and called for Greek citizens and state authorities to respect the right of self-determination of Slavo-Macedonians in Greece. Self-determination is exclusively focused on respect for linguistic rights and no irredentist claims will be put forward, reassured Mr. Voskopoulos the anxious Greek-Macedonians. All we ask for is us, the Slavo-Macedonians, to peacefully co-exist with Greek-Macedonians in northern Greece.
The Rainbow party is headquartered in the city of Florina. In 2009 parliamentary elections, the party received less than 5.000 votes, thus not entering the parliament. Mr. Voskopoulos admitted at Sputnik that only 250 people are active members in the party today.
The emergence of press reports about suppressed ethnic Macedonian minorities in Northern Greece severely undermines government efforts to persuade the broader public of the historical significance and benefits reaped from the conclusion of the Prespes Agreement.


 
After BBC report, Russia’s Sputnik raises ‘Macedonian minority’ issue

In the interview, Voskopoulos compares the Slavo-Macedonians to the Jews in Germany in the 1930’s and the Greek government with the Nazi regime.

ΤοΒΗΜΑ Team
| 26.02.2019 - 17:51





Opponents of the Greece-North Macedonian Prespa Agreement are up in arms about press reports by both the BBC and now the Russian state-run new service Sputnik that use interviews with Greeks of Slavo-Macedonian descent who speak about the existence of a minority in the Greek province of Macedonia and about state discrimination.
They say that the agreement concluded by PM Alexis Tsipras and North Macedonia’s Prime Minister Zoran Zaev leaves plenty of room for misinterpretation and exploitation by forces which wish to stir problems and push for the recognition of a “Macedonian minority in Greece”.
While the Greek government’s intention was for the agreement to limit or totally eradicate the historical irredentism of North Macedonia, critics now say that Athens’ recognition of a Macedonian language and nationality may be a prelude for a push for recognition of a “Macedonian minority” in Greece and in due course for autonomy.
The 24 February BBC report refers to suppression of the Slavo-Macedonian language by the Greek state, and led to a strongly worded letter to the BBC by Greece’s Ambassador to London. The report acknowledged that a Slav-Macedonian identity emerged in the late 19th century amidst conflicting geopolitical rivalries between Balkan states.
At the same time, the government of North Macedonia sent the UN a note verbale regarding how Skopje intends to introduce the country’s new name and clarified what one will call individuals, services, products, and institutions.
In Athens, the Russian state-run Sputnik’s report was viewed as the next stage in Moscow’s fervent opposition to the Prespa Agreement and to North Macedonia’s admission to Nato, with an effort to stir tensions in northern Greece with a push for recognition of a Slavo-Macedonian minority.
After the Prespa Agreement was signed, the Greek government expelled two Russian diplomats and banned the entry of two more over alleged efforts to foment opposition to the agreement in Northern Greece.
Sputnik’s report features a lengthy interview with Pavlos Voskopoulos, a co-founder of the Florina-based Slavo-Macedonian Rainbow party which received fewer than 5,000 votes in the 2009 general election.
In the interview, Voskopoulos compares the Slavo-Macedonians to the Jews in Germany in the 1930’s and the Greek government with the Nazi regime.
The story asserted that there are 500 villages where the “Macedonian” language is spoken, from Kastoria to Drama and from Naousa to Veria, and that in the Prespa Agreement Greece recognises the existence of a Macedonian language, which it never did in nearly a century.
Voskopoulos expressed the demand that the “Macedonian” language be taught in Greek schools. He avoids mentioning how many Greek citizens are Slavo-Macedonian speakers.
 
In the interview, Voskopoulos compares the Slavo-Macedonians to the Jews in Germany in the 1930’s and the Greek government with the Nazi regime.

ΤοΒΗΜΑ Team
| 26.02.2019 - 17:51

He is not very far from truth,this is how they are treated in Greece,on Greek TV the monk dressed in black is Macedonian Slav
 
He is not very far from truth,this is how they are treated in Greece,on Greek TV the monk dressed in black is Macedonian Slav
Very aggressive this person dressed in red, this çakall.
What happened to the priest, did the police arrested him?
 
He is not very far from truth,this is how they are treated in Greece,on Greek TV the monk dressed in black is Macedonian Slav

Truly disgusting people...
They try to make us swallow something we don't want.
They try to make us something we are not...
They say you can't be Macedonian...
They say you must choose, either a Greek or a Bulgarian, else you will see a hell...
This father is a very proud and a courageous man, acting alone against such fanatics that by their looks could of killed him any minute...
The truth must be told, and the world has to know about the golgotha of the Macedonian people in Greece who don't feel neither Greek nor Bulgarian but call them simply Macedonians!
 
Truly disgusting people...
They try to make us swallow something we don't want.
They try to make us something we are not...
They say you can't be Macedonian...
They say you must choose, either a Greek or a Bulgarian, else you will see a hell...
This father is a very proud and a courageous man, acting alone against such fanatics that by their looks could of killed him any minute...
The truth must be told, and the world has to know about the golgotha of the Macedonian people in Greece who don't feel neither Greek nor Bulgarian but call them simply Macedonians!

You can identify as you want. Stop ptetending that is the problem. The problem is you insist that the language you speak should be called Macedonian, and that Alexander the Greats people spoke the same language.

Thats just not true. And it is insiduous pan slavic politics as usual. Slavomacedonian is a south slavic dialect almost identical to bulgarian, and a bit more far removed but still close to croatian, bosnian, etc.

All these south slavic languages came into the balkans 1500 years ago and its well documented and now even genetics shows clearly how before the slav invasions there was no I2a-din and that autosomally Balkans was dramatically more south west shifted.


My opinion on the Macedonian ethnicity is this: it is well rational to posit or argue that you are not bulgarians or greeks and represent more a native stock that adopted the slavic language because of the slavic orthodox church. But to argue that the language of that church was here all along is nothing but insidious pan slavic politics that then opens the door for all the others to say "thracians must have spoken bulgarian, croatians illyrian, serbians moesian, etc".

Its a pan slavic stratagem that allows the claim of antiquitys heritage that isnt slavic.
 
There is only one truth; Living in ethnicity based countries like Greece, Turkey, Albania etc. is hard for minorities and full with discrimination.

In Albania minorities are respected and they have no problems.
 
I do not feel like a minority in Macedonia. Whatever politicians say.

I loved my neighbor, whether he was Slavic or not.

Whether he was Christian or not.

The shortest way to God is through ones heart.

Religion is all about divide and conquer.

I am pleasantly surprised, that after looking at genetics, my affinity proves true.

For after all today Slavo-Macedonians and today Albanians are related by common ancestors.
That fought along side each other in the phalanx. Or for Rome. Or for Byzantium. Or for the Ottomans.

How about we "fight" today, for a better future.

PS: Quite a few Macedonians can also comprehend Albanian, although they are a bit shy. And all Albanians in Macedonia can comprehend Slavic.

We were mutually intelligible 2300 years ago. And we get along just fine today.


Only who hates us wants us to hate each other.

Lets not forget how many genocides among brothers have happened in the last 150 years in the region...

3-4? Maybe more...

Also if you knew how much hate Slavo-Macedonians get from Bulgarians and Greeks you would be surprised Deride.
Once asked in Bulgaria where I am from, I replied Macedonia,was asked back "Mexico?". Mind you I consider myself Albanian, and I was still offended for how he would have treated my neighbor.

Just oversharing at this point.
 
You can identify as you want. Stop ptetending that is the problem. The problem is you insist that the language you speak should be called Macedonian, and that Alexander the Greats people spoke the same language.

Thats just not true. And it is insiduous pan slavic politics as usual. Slavomacedonian is a south slavic dialect almost identical to bulgarian, and a bit more far removed but still close to croatian, bosnian, etc.

All these south slavic languages came into the balkans 1500 years ago and its well documented and now even genetics shows clearly how before the slav invasions there was no I2a-din and that autosomally Balkans was dramatically more south west shifted.


My opinion on the Macedonian ethnicity is this: it is well rational to posit or argue that you are not bulgarians or greeks and represent more a native stock that adopted the slavic language because of the slavic orthodox church. But to argue that the language of that church was here all along is nothing but insidious pan slavic politics that then opens the door for all the others to say "thracians must have spoken bulgarian, croatians illyrian, serbians moesian, etc".

Its a pan slavic stratagem that allows the claim of antiquitys heritage that isnt slavic.

I don't know you, neither you know me.
I don't know who are you referring to, I suppose to all Macedonian people, than I will tell you this...
We call our language as we call our ethnicity and that is Macedonian!
That's already a solved problem, not an existing one as it's a done deal with the Prespa agreement!
It might still be some minor problems though but that's a different issue we need to discuss with the Bulgarians.
However, it's also underlined that our language belongs to the South Slavic group of languages and doesn't have a relation with the ancient Macedonian language spoken by ancient Macedonians!
The ancient Macedonian history is already a done deal per the agreement as well!
The Macedonian academy of sciences and arts also defines our language as South Slavic and the forming of our people as a mix of Slavic and native Balkan people!
So, our academics and statesmen are explicit towards that particular question you've opened!
You shouldn't generalize though as I wouldn't if for example some Albanian users in here claim that the ancient Macedonian language was Albanian like!
I wouldn't accuse Albania or the Albanian people who have the same golgotha as our people in Greece, that they are a part of a problem, just because some Albanian users in here claim that the ancient Macedonian language was Albanian like!
 
There is only one truth; Living in ethnicity based countries like Greece, Turkey, Albania etc. is hard for minorities and full with discrimination.

Albanians feel right at home in Turkey bro. So much at home, that they blended in even linguistically.
My Uncle visited our 200-250 year removed branch of the family there (1/3 brothers moved there), and they today speak Turkish, yet they still remembered where their ancestor came from.

Kudos to the government of Turkey for opening Albanian schools in Turkey to try to preserve the language locally.
 
I don't know you, neither you know me.
I don't know who are you referring to, I suppose to all Macedonian people, than I will tell you this...
We call our language as we call our ethnicity and that is Macedonian!
That's already a solved problem, not an existing one as it's a done deal with the Prespa agreement!
It might still be some minor problems though but that's a different issue we need to discuss with the Bulgarians.
However, it's also underlined that our language belongs to the South Slavic group of languages and doesn't have a relation with the ancient Macedonian language spoken by ancient Macedonians!
The ancient Macedonian history is already a done deal per the agreement as well!
The Macedonian academy of sciences and arts also defines our language as South Slavic and the forming of our people as a mix of Slavic and native Balkan people!
So, our academics and statesmen are explicit towards that particular question you've opened!
You shouldn't generalize though as I wouldn't if for example some Albanian users in here claim that the ancient Macedonian language was Albanian like!
I wouldn't accuse Albania or the Albanian people who have the same golgotha as our people in Greece, that they are a part of a problem, just because some Albanian users in here claim that the ancient Macedonian language was Albanian like!
In general all the nations and ethnic groups are a mix of various other people. South Slavs also are a mix of natives, slavs and other people, for example Vlachs, etc.
The connection between Albanians Ancient Macedonians was not advanced as a theory by Albanians, we were still under Ottoman Empire, but from the other side we have our legends, medieval chronicles who talk about this connection. Until the beginning of XX, century this connection was widely accepted, was common knowledge. Even our currency is named Lek, in the memory of Alexander the Great, it's one of the forms in Albanian of the name Alexander. Later, especially after the WWII, the scholars say, wait the story is not this but it's another. Some say that they were Greeks, some consider them Illyrians, etc.

P. S.
I hope that Greece don't block the proces of membership of Albania in EU because of our currency, lol.
 

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