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    The other Future of Europe



    I am going to analyze here the other face of Europe,

    Some may believe i am Russian friendly, But I am not,
    Neither I am Turk friendly,
    Neither I am USA friendly
    neither I am Capitalist
    neither I am sosialist
    neither I am Communist
    Neither I am whatever,

    I still believe in main idea of Caynes
    which build the Europe of 50's to 70's
    although too much Caynes is bad, cause may create 'state aid coupon living zombies'

    I still believe in the EU I grew up, when was EEC,
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    Part 1

    The Briezinsky plan,

    from 1970's 2 majpor plans were designed as anti-Russian defence,

    1 is Kissinger's plan,
    mainly at S America, meditterenean and middle East and Iesrael,

    2 is Briezinsky plan,
    this one is reborn, and start taking place 20 years now,
    but 2 times almost collapse,
    the second is the Ukraine division,
    What this plan is about,
    is a repeat of W Germany and East Germany,
    West Germany was rebuild, and not only founded, become the locomotive of Europe, and by far ahead of East Germany,
    people from East fled to West, for a free world, but unwillingly moved to East,
    W Germany absorve all the unemployment of Europe, accepting workers from Europe's corner,

    THAT IS GOING TO REPEATED,
    only this time not to Germany were existed the IRON CURTAIN BOARDERS AND WALL,
    but more East, beside Russia, to Poland Czechia Slovakia, (maybe balts)
    the industry of Europe is about to move there,
    Already Czechia has 4 car industries (citroen pegeut toyota skoda)
    and Poland is raising,
    The 3 things that may are a kind of obstacle are
    1) the negativity of Visengrand against other EU employ, and mainly against Immigrants,
    2) the possibility to make a huge industry smugling with Russia friendly gangs,

    3) THE ROAD TO MARKETS,

    you see W Germany had nearby Netherlands, and also Hamburg at North sea exit,
    but Visengrand has only 2 options the Gdansk harbor and the exit to Baltic sea,
    the Ukraine and Romania exit to Black sea,
    That is a big problem, raising the cost of logistics,
    and also exist the danger of early collapse if not fast enough transporte goods to markets outside Europe, to Africa and S Asia,
    Black sea is also closed, except if you use Turkey land transportations, like the oil pipes from Black sea to Mediterrean,
    you need to make a huge road though Turkey North to Turkish South,
    So alternative solutions,
    1) one of the old amber roads, from Baltic sea to Venice or Tergest or whoever is willing (SLovenia, Croatia) at top of Adriatic sea,
    2) The aquatic roads of Europe, The Danube, something that will 'help' also Austria, Hungary and Bavaria.
    Serbia is already connected to that road, and is till deep south of Serbia,
    the road was a proposal of Greek Eygenides who's family stay at Serbia before 1900 and change to Yeygevic,
    a great Hydrologist, I happened to listen him before decades at a Con/polis congress,
    That is to make river Axios (Bardar) a water road,



    the red is about to be diged, and then the river bench and stability,
    The cost is huge,
    but nothing infront the idea of Briezinsky, and the struglle of Russia,

    the problem,
    Axios at Makedonia is almost sea level, Salt water will enter and reach until 70 km the valley
    destroying even Geygele fields,
    Axios has not the demanding quantity of water, so polution will always have strong indicators,
    and traffic will be limited, sometimes in Summer even forbided due to swallow water lvls,

    Except you make it Panama style,
    Tanks and levels, and bring water from Danube to Thermaikos Gulf,
    meaning a possible danger for after Belingrad Danube, and Danube shores,

    Yet lately is very discussed, especially in Greece engineering circles,
    and proposals from Europe and USA are coming,

    So the Briazinsky plan
    Demands chaos and division outside Visengrand, to Ukraine
    fast exit to Africa and Arabia though Balkans (Greece)
    de-intustrialization of EU south to the annex limit,

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    part 2

    The East mediterrenean oil
    ,

    with this term we mean the gas and oil deposits from Iesrael/Palaistine and Egypt, through Cyprus and Crete, to Albaniaand Italy,
    Until now we know their existance, but we do not know their fate,
    we do not know where will be the major consumer,
    the primary plan was 2 pipelines
    One to end at Napoli Italy from Apulia
    second to end at Skopjie and from there divide to other pipelines,

    FOR THOSE WHO KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT ITALY REBEL AGAINST ECB,IS THE ITALIAN PART AND SHARE OF THIS OIL.
    SOMETHING THAT GREEKS DID NOT DO.
    AND SOMETHING THAT MAKES ERDOGAN (TURKEY) MAD, for by International laws gets almost nothing.
    That Deposits is the still unknown future of Europe,
    and the strange is that FIAT close the 500 model at Palermo, while in few years she could be in the heart, or the spring of gas and oil energy of Mediterenean.

    Too many companies,
    too many countries,
    too many pipelines,
    too many intererests,
    Who will prevail,

    The one who will 'stable' Army at East Mediterrenean.

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    Part 3

    The Toma Piketty proposals

    Toma Piketty is very well known economic philosopher of today in EU,
    his book 'Capital at 21rst Century' is a very work,
    and has been discussed and will be discussed for decades,
    I read it in Greek translation,
    and I believe is a very good tool for modern way of thinking for global, state, or corporation economy,

    yet to make Devil's advocate he has as oposite Matthew Ronglie,
    while I think if we can understand what these 2 saying, and bound they are,
    we could make and take better desicions,

    Anyway
    The 2 Piketty proposals
    as I found in internet,

    1 to gather the 4% of each EU state about 800 billion E to a comitte elected by national parliament by 80%
    and not from Central Europerliament which will have only 20%.

    2 to raise taxation to the lower limit of 37% in every EU country and harrase more middle class and property which is basic structure of European right wing,
    and with this extra to help economical immigrants that come to EU,

    3 The lower limit of very high income taxation to reach 75%, all over EU, (multinational companies shares included?)
    (something I also agree but hides the danger of 'bye bye' money from countries and EU)


    I Think Toma Piketty proposal are characteristic for the dilemma of EU,
    personally I believe West Europe slowly will enter sterile production, and de-industialization, and enter to a kind of 'pecculiar Communism'


    PS
    I am always against Neo-Liberian policies,
    but turning so much, is like entering a 'pecculiar Communism face era'

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    part 4

    The Brexit

    the Brexit is the most modern fear of EU,
    no matter every politician or philoshoper tries not to discuss about
    and will affect the future of EU and EU states much in the future

    the Brexit is still running on
    so what ever someone can say is too early to make conclusions

    considering the 3 parts above,
    I do not know if it is good or bad for britain to exit EU
    and after 10-20 years of Brexit we will know who is right

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    part 5

    the economical crisis

    I think the last economical crisis in EU is 'artificial' expected, and wanted by money vultures, and certain circles,
    no matter they try to connect it with Leehman borthers, and no matter Goldman's Sach's is deep into this sh...
    nobody did something new against it, a pioneer search or proposal
    but many cooperate to close the wounds of crisis, meaning that many realize the problem, and the chain reaction,
    offcourse as Always, with other people's money,

    Economical crisis helps not only money vultures,
    but also political circles

    think and remember the last one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    part 2

    The East mediterrenean oil
    ,

    with this term we mean the gas and oil deposits from Iesrael/Palaistine and Egypt, through Cyprus and Crete, to Albaniaand Italy,
    Until now we know their existance, but we do not know their fate,
    we do not know where will be the major consumer,
    the primary plan was 2 pipelines
    One to end at Napoli Italy from Apulia
    second to end at Skopjie and from there divide to other pipelines,

    FOR THOSE WHO KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT ITALY REBEL AGAINST ECB,IS THE ITALIAN PART AND SHARE OF THIS OIL.
    SOMETHING THAT GREEKS DID NOT DO.
    AND SOMETHING THAT MAKES ERDOGAN (TURKEY) MAD, for by International laws gets almost nothing.
    That Deposits is the still unknown future of Europe,
    and the strange is that FIAT close the 500 model at Palermo, while in few years she could be in the heart, or the spring of gas and oil energy of Mediterenean.

    Too many companies,
    too many countries,
    too many pipelines,
    too many intererests,
    Who will prevail,

    The one who will 'stable' Army at East Mediterrenean.

    if you are also thinking about the TAP (Trans-Adriatic-Pipiline), Not everyone agrees with it.
    The Pipeline crosses the Adriatic from Albania to Salento, and sometimes it gets ugly:


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    So the future of EU and Europe generally is like water on the floor,
    it will go to the lowest point,

    the next generation of EU will be living mainly by 'coupons'
    possibly 6-8 at an appartement for 3-4,
    anexation and acceptance of 'forced poverty' (does this reminds something?)
    until EU stops importing poverty, and starts protype industrilization,

    Services, as food delivery, home nursing, etc is a good field to absorve some unemployment
    but it is not solving the problem.

    the generation after this one?
    I do not know, maybe a brilliant life, work, health, prosperity etc
    or a life in getto's and gang or racism fights.

    but this generation is doomed, I think,
    lets start build the future of granchildren,
    cause our children are already living a strange era.

    an era of global depressure.
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    There are only poor interests.

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    the fraction/part 2

    it seems the the East Med oil is a fractor of how future of Europe is planed,

    France, the most strong military power of Europe,
    has already placed her naval presence at Mari Cyprus,

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    Part 2 continues

    in previous I said that the future of EU is highly connected with East Meditterenean oil,

    it seems that it is so important that EU finances more than 6 500 000 000 E (6,5 billion)
    only to the first part,

    the agreement is already ready, by Greece Cyprus and Iesrael.
    and signs will be till january 2020.

    The fields of drilling are divided by international laws,
    and agreed with UN laws of sea justice.

    The Egypt takes its own fields,
    and maybe will join in future with the rest Arab countries and/or Lebanos,
    Arab spring went far back Egypt and Libya
    while Syria is still under war status.




    France already took a naval and airforce base in Cyprus to protect her driling companies
    Iesrael is setting radars in Greece
    and Greece has already signed a common defence treaty with Cyprus (same country defence, more than alliance)

    Francais airplanes over Cyprus





    What is Next?

    Waiting for Italy and Albania.

    Italy
    has a unigue oportunity to be the 3rd terminal and the great consumer of this air/liguid energy
    a unigue chance to restore her industry and energy power.
    and as she has open bargain with BRIC to pioneer and lead this part of EU merchandise
    yet the last decade Italy's policy is very strange, especially in ECB affairs.
    Italy is the only country that can balance the Briezinski plan,
    Balkans are unebale, and possibly in new boarders status changes, wars etc.
    making them not ideal for great industry investments.


    Albania
    Albania is already at TAP project an extension of the great Turk stream, and TanaP.
    , so the connection upgrades her presence at liquid/gas energy roads
    yet Albania is stuck among nationalistic and Turk friendly parties, drag mafia wars, and corruption,
    the last status in Albaia with resign of many parliamentals, the riots etc
    as the today anounce of democracy president Ilir Meta for a possible resign in order to prevent a possible new 'Junda'
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...sis/ar-BBV09B1
    as the old deny by the higher constitutional court not to settle the sea borders with Greece
    makes her participation unstable and under thought.
    Albania must come and solve the sea borders with Greece under the international laws for sea justice and UN loyalty
    Albania must settle with Italy the areas of Inclusive Economical interest zones at Otranto pass,
    to gain a fantastic chance to be part of this great project,
    its up the Albanians to decide which economical part will stuck to.
    and a unigue chance to start their own industry growth,
    Albania has the chance to be a big drilling country, since there is enough oil at the open sea of Maritsa,
    something that will help her rise economy,
    and although is already at TAP, her offshore drilling pas though East Med negotiations

    the yellow colour is gas/oil that will be drilled in future,
    just look the big one at west, and imagine what Albania can drill.




    full map of East Med and Poseidon




    the full system as designed

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    It seems that the alliances in East Med are closed,
    the only 2 we are waiting to express camp are Italy and Germany,

    this summer might be a warm summer,

    the winter we will see great changes in EU,
    if war would not start earlier,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    It seems that the alliances in East Med are closed,
    the only 2 we are waiting to express camp are Italy and Germany,

    this summer might be a warm summer,

    the winter we will see great changes in EU,
    if war would not start earlier,
    Whatever you do, just make sure they don't ruin my upcoming vacation.

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Whatever you do, just make sure they don't ruin my upcoming vacation.

    thanks
    Not in my hand man.
    Everybody is, or came recently to East Med,
    but to avoid accidents, better carry your chemcal gas mask with you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Whatever you do, just make sure they don't ruin my upcoming vacation.

    thanks
    Where are you going on vacation, @Salento?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    Where are you going on vacation, @Salento?
    You said it in your post :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    You said it in your post :)
    well Salento is not so close to the epicenter,
    yet not far,

    cement transportation detected,
    it can be tonight,
    it can be in one month.

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    In other term the Future of Middle East, as you known Cyprus is 100% in Middle East.

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    hm

    maybe Near East?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Part 2 continues

    in previous I said that the future of EU is highly connected with East Meditterenean oil,

    it seems that it is so important that EU finances more than 6 500 000 000 E (6,5 billion)
    only to the first part,

    the agreement is already ready, by Greece Cyprus and Iesrael.
    and signs will be till january 2020.

    The fields of drilling are divided by international laws,
    and agreed with UN laws of sea justice.

    The Egypt takes its own fields,
    and maybe will join in future with the rest Arab countries and/or Lebanos,
    Arab spring went far back Egypt and Libya
    while Syria is still under war status.




    France already took a naval and airforce base in Cyprus to protect her driling companies
    Iesrael is setting radars in Greece
    and Greece has already signed a common defence treaty with Cyprus (same country defence, more than alliance)

    Francais airplanes over Cyprus





    What is Next?

    Waiting for Italy and Albania.

    Italy
    has a unigue oportunity to be the 3rd terminal and the great consumer of this air/liguid energy
    a unigue chance to restore her industry and energy power.
    and as she has open bargain with BRIC to pioneer and lead this part of EU merchandise
    yet the last decade Italy's policy is very strange, especially in ECB affairs.
    Italy is the only country that can balance the Briezinski plan,
    Balkans are unebale, and possibly in new boarders status changes, wars etc.
    making them not ideal for great industry investments.


    Albania
    Albania is already at TAP project an extension of the great Turk stream, and TanaP.
    , so the connection upgrades her presence at liquid/gas energy roads
    yet Albania is stuck among nationalistic and Turk friendly parties, drag mafia wars, and corruption,
    the last status in Albaia with resign of many parliamentals, the riots etc
    as the today anounce of democracy president Ilir Meta for a possible resign in order to prevent a possible new 'Junda'
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...sis/ar-BBV09B1
    as the old deny by the higher constitutional court not to settle the sea borders with Greece
    makes her participation unstable and under thought.
    Albania must come and solve the sea borders with Greece under the international laws for sea justice and UN loyalty
    Albania must settle with Italy the areas of Inclusive Economical interest zones at Otranto pass,
    to gain a fantastic chance to be part of this great project,
    its up the Albanians to decide which economical part will stuck to.
    and a unigue chance to start their own industry growth,
    Albania has the chance to be a big drilling country, since there is enough oil at the open sea of Maritsa,
    something that will help her rise economy,
    and although is already at TAP, her offshore drilling pas though East Med negotiations

    the yellow colour is gas/oil that will be drilled in future,
    just look the big one at west, and imagine what Albania can drill.




    full map of East Med and Poseidon




    the full system as designed

    I don't really get what your main concern is, about Europe. You still are stuck at good European times when Europe was not an European Union. But since then things have changed so much, as, no one bright mind in Europe was able to predict. Dramatic rise of Asia, profound change internet produced, Inability of Europe to forecast the events etc,,. This is so wide topic as volumes of talk are needed, so I am skipping it, but I want to make few points about Albania in Europe.
    I don't see solution of sea borders between Albania and Greece as hard to solve. If two countries will not be unable to solve in an amicable way, the case will be headed to international court of sea affairs, and its decision will be accepted, whatever its decision will be.
    Albanian sea borders with Italy are resolved in an amicable way. It remains with Montenegro.
    Albania is close to open an inland oilfield with 1 billion barrels light oil capacity. The only thing remains to be proven is if the oilfield really has 1 billion barrels. It will take another year when we will know for sure, Shell is working hard.
    Political situation in Albania is not as bad as it looks from outside. Albanians do not fight each other no matter how bad it gets. President Meta you are mentioning is a corrupt, open thief, who remaking of justice system has alarmed him, since his judge friends are fired for not justifying their wealth.
    Albania is not an important country in European scale, so no matter what happens, we always some European power will dictate what to do, and not do. Albania's friendship with Turkey is important, because Turkey is a regional power, we have no known problems wit them, and they are becoming investors
    The Energy will always be important in our world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutkun Arnaut View Post
    I don't really get what your main concern is, about Europe. You still are stuck at good European times when Europe was not an European Union. But since then things have changed so much, as, no one bright mind in Europe was able to predict. Dramatic rise of Asia, profound change internet produced, Inability of Europe to forecast the events etc,,. This is so wide topic as volumes of talk are needed, so I am skipping it, but I want to make few points about Albania in Europe.
    I don't see solution of sea borders between Albania and Greece as hard to solve. If two countries will not be unable to solve in an amicable way, the case will be headed to international court of sea affairs, and its decision will be accepted, whatever its decision will be.
    Albanian sea borders with Italy are resolved in an amicable way. It remains with Montenegro.
    Albania is close to open an inland oilfield with 1 billion barrels light oil capacity. The only thing remains to be proven is if the oilfield really has 1 billion barrels. It will take another year when we will know for sure, Shell is working hard.
    Political situation in Albania is not as bad as it looks from outside. Albanians do not fight each other no matter how bad it gets. President Meta you are mentioning is a corrupt, open thief, who remaking of justice system has alarmed him, since his judge friends are fired for not justifying their wealth.
    Albania is not an important country in European scale, so no matter what happens, we always some European power will dictate what to do, and not do. Albania's friendship with Turkey is important, because Turkey is a regional power, we have no known problems wit them, and they are becoming investors
    The Energy will always be important in our world.
    Albania is on a strange situation for election of local authorities,
    Let her solve this first, if a war will happen there will be only civil war,
    by NATO Greece and Italy are the protectors of Albania airspace, not Turkey.
    Albanian borders and airspace are controled primary by Italy, and secondary by Greece,
    you have already seen Italian F35 and Greek F16 above Albania.
    in the next 3 years the kucova base will pass to Italy France and Greek command,
    Turkey has a submarine base,

    the Albanian-Greek sea law was agreed in past via the solution of middle, and edge boundaries,
    but the agreement was canceled by Albanian high court,

    there are 2 ways to solve it, by international law
    1rst is the midle-half distance and the edges, as was signed before, and canceled before.
    2nd is the gulf zones and midle-half and distance, which is next to be discussed
    wanted or not these are the 2 international laws upon wich solution will be,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tutkun Arnaut View Post
    Albania is close to open an inland oilfield with 1 billion barrels light oil capacity. The only thing remains to be proven is if the oilfield really has 1 billion barrels. It will take another year when we will know for sure, Shell is working hard.
    Political situation in Albania is not as bad as it looks from outside. Albanians do not fight each other no matter how bad it gets. President Meta you are mentioning is a corrupt, open thief, who remaking of justice system has alarmed him, since his judge friends are fired for not justifying their wealth.
    .
    Are you about the company,
    cause it is heard about Weatherford,
    which already is mixed an Albanian banking system.

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    back to Dean acheson plan? 1964?


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    for those who understand

    the first is Dean Acheson peace plan of 1960's
    requires
    Kastelorizo to Turkey
    Cyprus 100 % union to Greece

    the second is after today status
    and today international law of sea

    https://cyprus-mail.com/2016/12/29/p...-acheson-plan/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post



    for those who understand

    the first is Dean Acheson peace plan of 1960's
    requires
    Kastelorizo to Turkey
    Cyprus 100 % union to Greece

    the second is after today status
    and today international law of sea

    https://cyprus-mail.com/2016/12/29/p...-acheson-plan/
    so where is Turkey drilling now? what is the view in Greece, how bad situation can get?

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