Haplogroup K among Serbs and Bosnian Serbs

[hrvat22]

In older DNA researches among Bosnian Serbs and Serbians there is K haplotype, where haplotype K disappeared in new research for Serbs?
In old research haplotype K is in the range of 7%. I am

High-Resolution Phylogenetic Analysis of Southeastern Europe Traces Major Episodes of Paternal Gene Flow Among Slavic Populations, 2005

https://academic.oup.com/view-large/figure/76273142/molbiolevolmsi185f02_lw.jpeg

The Peopling of Modern Bosnia-Herzegovina:Y-chromosome Haplogroups in the Three
Main Ethnic Groups, 2005

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/22Kangars/BesenyoGeneticsEn.htm

Haplogroup K-M9

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_K-M9


https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/22/10/1964/1137872

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/68ec/b2fcb794183ee86952db6e9ea531978d55c0.pdf

 

[Vlad82]

Meanwhile, tests were improved and further downstream SNPs were added so most of them fall under N haplogroup, especially a rare N-P189.2

 

[hrvat22]

Haplogroup N is about 1-2% in Serbians, which haplotypes are the other 5%?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Serbs#Tables

They could exist between haplotypes I1-I2 and R1a-R1b if we follow genetic tree from that time and I do not believe that they could have passed into those two haplotypes because these haplotypes were known in DNA genetic.

 

[Megalophias]

There might also be L and T, but it can just be variation in amount of N among samples. For instance Battaglia et al (2009), "Y-chromosomal evidence of the cultural diffusion of agriculture in southeast Europe", the sample of Serbs (n=81) had 6.2% N.

 

[hrvat22]

There might also be L and T, but it can just be variation in amount of N among samples. For instance Battaglia et al (2009), "Y-chromosomal evidence of the cultural diffusion of agriculture in southeast Europe", the sample of Serbs (n=81) had 6.2% N.

That sample of 81 peoples is from here and Battaglia uses this data in his work.

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/22Kangars/BesenyoGeneticsEn.htm

And if K went to N(6%) where it can be seen, on eupedia haplotype N is 1% in Bosnian Serbs. What about Serbs from Serbia and they had 7% but today it is nowhere visible.

 

[Megalophias]

I guess I don't understand what you're asking. Do you think it's an error (surely possible), or they were sampling some particular area with higher frequency of K, or what?

 

[Sile]

Meanwhile, tests were improved and further downstream SNPs were added so most of them fall under N haplogroup, especially a rare N-P189.2

They also have haplo N ydna found in Croatian islands .......could be Dalmatian/Liburnian
Liburnian traded with Black sea steppe people for Glass figures with faces
.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...erstanding_of_import_in_the_Liburnian_culture
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37 skeletons where found in Nadin a Liburnian necropolis from the early iron age .............we will see the results when they come out

 

[Sile]

I guess I don't understand what you're asking. Do you think it's an error (surely possible), or they were sampling some particular area with higher frequency of K, or what?

he is saying, that the chart say K (xP) ....which means it cannot be anything under P haplogroup
it can be only
K1a = L
K1b = T
or
K2a1 = N .............but this is a total of only 2% of which they are nearly all N-M2019

 

[hrvat22]

I think that Battaglia in his work from year 2008 update paper of Marjanovic from year 2005 and haplotype K switches to haplotype N and he is then 6,2%. This means that Bosnian Serbs have 6,2% of haplotype N in population. Where it is visible today?

Battaglia in his paper update and I2a1 from 30,9% to 34,6% but for this he probably used haplotype F from Marjanovic paper where he is 4,9% but there still remains another 1% of F haplotype and 1% from haplotype K.

Here you have and older research for Serbians just click on Older studies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Serbs#Tables



This is my conclusion if Battaglia is in fact updated work from Marjanovic, but I do not know if that is true.

This is paper from Marjanovic, 2005.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/68ec/b2fcb794183ee86952db6e9ea531978d55c0.pdf

This is paper from Battaglia, 2008.

https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2008249

 

[hrvat22]

he is saying, that the chart say K (xP) ....which means it cannot be anything under P haplogroup
it can be only
K1a = L
K1b = T
or
K2a1 = N .............but this is a total of only 2% of which they are nearly all N-M2019

That's what I'm thinking but these haplotypes or that haplotype N are nowhere seen in the range of about 7%.

 

[Atlantische]

Almost all N haplotypes among Serbs, especially in Dinaric area (to be precise there are no known P189.2>FGC28435 haplotypes in eastern and southern Serbia) and in Vojvodina (who arrived via Dinaric migration routes), falls under N2-P189.2>FGC28435 (notice that this sample with Turkish flag have known ancestor (great-grandfather) from Serbia who migrated to Turkey. FGC28435 hotspot is in the area of Piva and Banjani tribes in modern day Montenegro (in the past it was part of ''Old Herzegovina''). FGC28435 haplotypes experienced demographic boom in some areas after migrations from the south, like in Lika in modern day Croatia (7%) and in Bosnian Krajina (also 7%).