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    Even though it is not my personal favorite type of beauty, if I try to be objective, there is something in some Italian women, for example Ariana Grande (even though she also has American ancestors ... whatever that means) that reaches some kind of perfection. I do not think any other "gracile Mediterraneans" reach this level of perfection. I only have seen it in some Italian women. I would like to know if there is some light in their origin. Maybe ultra-neoteny?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ekZEVeXwek

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    Special mention to these andalusian girls whose beauty borders on perfection.

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    I agree with you, Carlos. I think some Spanish women also have that "small Med" kind of look, and can be very beautiful. In fact, I think they have more small Meds than Italians do as a proportion of the population.

    I have to say, though, that obviously tastes differ, because I don't think Ariana Grande is a particularly beautiful example of that look. You can go to any mall and see girls who look like her. Plus, she never grew into a woman's body.


    A really beautiful Italian example of that kind of look was Gina Lollabrigida, I think. Even middle aged she was a stunner.



    I've always loved the way Pier Angeli looked too:




    And then, of course, there's Monica:


    Beauty for me comes in different forms, though, even with much stronger facial bone structure. Manuela Arcuri:


    I absolutely adore the way Caterina Murino looks too.




    Youtube chef Laura Vitale (from Napoli) has a bit of that look, I think, although much softer, and I think she's quite pretty.



    Now if this isn't Italian, I don't know what is....


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    CHG actress Lika Kavzharadze had a very good face in my opinion. Heavier and more pronounced bones than most Western women (or even men for that matter). I'm partial to less refined features in both sexes.




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    Another gracile Mediterranean face: Lina Cavalleri, the opera singer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by markod View Post
    CHG actress Lika Kavzharadze had a very good face in my opinion. Heavier and more pronounced bones than most Western women (or even men for that matter). I'm partial to less refined features in both sexes.



    Actually appears to reflect the ANE contribution to the Caucasus more than anything.

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    The more women use their reproductive assets to market themselves nowadays, highlighting them as strength, the more I understand how embedded beauty is in proportions.
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    The more women use their reproductive assets to market themselves nowadays, highlighting them as strength, the more I understand how embedded beauty is in proportions.
    Both stunning in slightly different ways. First one Gracile Med, yes? Perhaps a Venus or a Flora. Second one is the Italian actress Lyda Borelli from Genova (Liguria). She's slightly different: stronger jaw, fairer, slightly different nose. Still very harmonious, though.

    I used her as a guess the ethnicity person once. If I remember correctly people didn't get that she was Italian.



    Looking at the below picture, especially, I think she looks completely Italian.





    She was stunning indeed. Love her neck...she was like a graceful swan transformed into a woman.

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    Nefertiti ƪ(‾.‾“)┐

    Even if she was half as beautiful as she is shown in the bust, she would have still been a very beautiful woman.




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    Dea of Butrint, Albania.

    It was discovered in Butrint, Albania by an Italian archaeological expedition led by Luigi Maria Ugolini.
    When the workers found it, they immediately showed to Ugolini. He took the sculpture in his hand, speechless, amazed by the beauty of this head inspecting for long minutes. Then he finally said one word, Dea in english Goddess.It is supposed to be the head of the Apollo with female features.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archetype0ne View Post
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    The more women use their reproductive assets to market themselves nowadays, highlighting them as strength, the more I understand how embedded beauty is in proportions.
    First one is a slightly neotenised (child-like) Gracile Mediterranid (you could interpret that as minor Alpinid admixture, but there's no need), and the second one approaches closer to the Eurafricanid (Atlanto-Mediterranid) form and is much more progressive and mature. The second one could also be a Hallstatt Nordid - the Hallstatt Nordid type metrically approaches the Atlanto-Mediterranid extremely closely (they are virtually indistinguishable).

    Btw, I really don't like the term Hallstatt Nordid - that was just Coon's idea as he saw the type in Sweden/Eastern Norway as having origins in the Hallstatt culture, which is almost certainly incorrect (though he may have been right about a Central European origin - we'll have to wait for more Y DNA I1 to turn up in aDNA). A better term would be Skando Nordid or Göta Nordid, but they tend to be used more loosely than Hallstatt Nordid (which is why I used the term Hallstatt Nordid). It would all have made so much sense if Globular Amphora was I1, but unfortunately they're I2... Still, we only have a few samples, and we already know of I1 in the Central European Neolithic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post


    Dea of Butrint, Albania.

    It was discovered in Butrint, Albania by an Italian archaeological expedition led by Luigi Maria Ugolini.
    When the workers found it, they immediately showed to Ugolini. He took the sculpture in his hand, speechless, amazed by the beauty of this head inspecting for long minutes. Then he finally said one word, Dea in english Goddess.It is supposed to be the head of the Apollo with female features.

    BTW, classify?
    That type doesn't exist in real life (nobody has a nose that runs so straight and smoothly into the forehead), so I can't be more precise than just saying a mature Mediterranid with broadening and shortening of the vault through Alpinid admixture. That particular form of the nose in art is East Mediterranean in origin, and has its tradition in the Greeks and even earlier with the Minoans. The closest form to that that you could probably get is amongst Georgians without pronounced nasal convexity.

    If I wanted to go out on a limb and be extra precise, I'd say this is a Mtebid-Eurafricanid hybrid form. You can see examples amongst e.g. Georgian models, and the Circassians were famed for their beauty in this type. From Wikipedia:

    American travel author and diplomat Bayard Taylor in 1862 claimed that, "So far as female beauty is concerned, the Circassian women have no superiors. They have preserved in their mountain home the purity of the Grecian models, and still display the perfect physical loveliness, whose type has descended to us in the Venus de' Medici."[7]

    Below, a Circassian woman:



    People from the Balkans and Italy may also approach this type, but nowhere near as closely.

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    Thanks for taking the time to share your opinion ToBe.



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    For me, it would be East/Hallstatt Nordid for a woman and Norid-Faelid for a man.

    Example for a woman (perfection and basically Hitler's wet dream despite being non-Germanic):



    Example for a man:

    (If I find a perfect example I'll post it here - I have a basically perfect example but it's a Nazi from a computer game that basically epitomises strength and masculinity, see various angles below)







    And see here for animation (time-stamped): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRdilZAN0Vs&t=154

    They really nailed his phenotype in this campaign, he looks exactly as you'd expect from an elite warrior. Kind of terrifying in its own way, silly again but I could imagine him having an insanely high kill count in WW2. Nobody can be more masculine than that look imo.

    In terms of ideal phenotypes including things like intelligence, willpower etcetera, it would for me be more Dinarid than anything else. Like Schrodinger, who looks Northern Adriatic (including Northern Italy and Austria as well as the typical Dinaric countries) broadly:



    You can tell a lot by physical appearance, and to me this image screams intelligence. In this particular photo (but not others), he could even be Jewish/Israeli. In fact, if you look at great Europeans throughout history they are highly Dinarid as opposed to Nordid or any other phenotype. I can't think of a single truly great and significant non-Dinaricised Nordid in all of modern European history, seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe View Post
    For me, it would be East/Hallstatt Nordid for a woman and Norid-Faelid for a man.
    Example for a woman (perfection and basically Hitler's wet dream despite being non-Germanic):

    Example for a man:
    (If I find a perfect example I'll post it here - I have a basically perfect example but it's a Nazi from a computer game that basically epitomises strength and masculinity, see various angles below)



    And see here for animation (time-stamped): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRdilZAN0Vs&t=154
    They really nailed his phenotype in this campaign, he looks exactly as you'd expect from an elite warrior. Kind of terrifying in its own way, silly again but I could imagine him having an insanely high kill count in WW2. Nobody can be more masculine than that look imo.
    In terms of ideal phenotypes outside of beauty, it would be something more Dinarid like in NE Italy, Austria etc.
    Are you really Jewish

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    Quote Originally Posted by markod View Post
    Are you really Jewish
    Haha I knew that reaction would happen, but yeah I am. And despite having my beauty ideal being such, I am not a Nordicist either, I think Nordids lack willpower and mental independence due to femininity. I've said a few times on here that I like Dinarids (and Norids are similar just more aesthetically pleasing). There's a reason besides economy that Sweden and Italy have reacted so differently to the migrant crisis.

    You wouldn't call Arthur Miller a Nordicist because he's one of many Jews who are into blondes (well, at least with Marilyn Monroe, but it's a known tendency: https://forward.com/news/192698/jewi...iage-pew-stud/).

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    Quote Originally Posted by markod View Post
    Are you really Jewish
    And I think my choices, pigmentation aside, are borderline objectively correct lol. You could go for a darker, more Mediterranid type for both my ideals for males and females (Angela certainly does), but in terms of facial structure one represents a highly progressive femininity and the other a highly progressive masculinity. You could prefer less elegant and more masculine women or less masculine men/masculine yet inelegant men, but you'd be wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe View Post
    And I think my choices, pigmentation aside, are borderline objectively correct lol. You could go for a darker, more Mediterranid type for both my ideals for males and females (Angela certainly does), but in terms of facial structure one represents a highly progressive femininity and the other a highly progressive masculinity. You could prefer less elegant and more masculine women or less masculine men/masculine yet inelegant men, but you'd be wrong
    It might be subjective. I live in Westphalia and I don't think those types are considered to be particular desirable here. The women perhaps.

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