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    Seriously, I challenge someone to find any clearly different phenotype (pigmentation aside) for each case I presented that is more elegant in femininity/masculinity respectively. I could replace my two examples with, say, young Monica Bellucci and David Gandy, but they still represent the same form facially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Youtube chef Laura Vitale (from Napoli) has a bit of that look, I think, although much softer, and I think she's quite pretty.



    Now if this isn't Italian, I don't know what is....
    She passes exceedingly easily as Jewish (and even more so as from a rich Jewish family) - and Jews, like Italians, tend to be pretty buxom, which reminds me of those Minoan depictions of women with massive breasts. This woman actually looks a lot like the famous Minoan women:


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    Quote Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe View Post
    Seriously, I challenge someone to find any clearly different phenotype (pigmentation aside) for each case I presented that is more elegant in femininity/masculinity respectively. I could replace my two examples with, say, young Monica Bellucci and David Gandy, but they still represent the same form facially.

    Beauty in the eye of the beholder.

    With your avatar, you should get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markod View Post
    It might be subjective. I live in Westphalia and I don't think those types are considered to be particular desirable here. The women perhaps.
    What's more beautiful than the woman I posted then, in your opinion? She literally looks like a typical angel in all the Renaissance paintings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archetype0ne View Post
    Beauty in the eye of the beholder.

    With your avatar, you should get it.
    Not true though really is it, why are pretty people considered pretty if there isn't some element to their facial structure that is seen as such? Here are some extreme examples which look out of Lord of the Rings:









    That isn't in the eye of the beholder, come on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markod View Post
    Are you really Jewish
    He does give himself away, doesn't he, our resident Stormtrooper.

    By the way, TBONTB, enough. I'm losing my patience. You want to post your beauty ideals, post them. But this is not the forum for half-baked idiotic discussions about skull shape determining character.

    @Archetype,
    No soft porn pictures. Get rid of them.


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    da Vinci had the same idea too:




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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    He does give himself away, doesn't he, our resident Stormtrooper.

    By the way, TBONTB, enough. I'm losing my patience. You want to post your beauty ideals, post them. But this is not the forum for half-baked idiotic discussions which border on racism.

    @Archetype,
    No soft porn pictures. Get rid of them.
    Lol you actually think I'm a Stormfronter when I said I can't think of one pure Nordid who has contributed to European civilisation and when only yesterday I said (again, all very silly) if I could engineer my own race it would be Taurid like Collina?

    Do you want a unique screenshot of my 23andme to prove it? I'm 99.4% Ashkenazi.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    He does give himself away, doesn't he, our resident Stormtrooper.

    By the way, TBONTB, enough. I'm losing my patience. You want to post your beauty ideals, post them. But this is not the forum for half-baked idiotic discussions about skull shape determining character.

    @Archetype,
    No soft porn pictures. Get rid of them.
    But what about the fact that it is the truth?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a7985131.html

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0081237



    https://twitter.com/boni_bo/status/1100318031899693056

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...1213142153.htm

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    https://www.alamy.com/pietro-teneran...ge8875435.html

    Is this soft porn? Hmm

    Ps. Flora statue today at the Hermitage in St Petersburg is a Tuscan copy of an ancient Greek statue.

    Google reverse image search algorithm might equate Flora to Venus, but it does not tell everything...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flora_(mythology)

    Love me some mythology.

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    OMG. Do you see the MIDDLE WORD????

    PERCEIVED!

    How on earth is that proof of anything. This is an academic based forum.

    The papers you do link have NOTHING to do with the topic.

    That's it. I'm out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    OMG. Do you see the MIDDLE WORD????

    PERCEIVED!

    How on earth is that proof of anything. This is an academic based forum.

    The papers you do link have NOTHING to do with the topic.

    That's it. I'm out.
    You're going to look mighty silly when you read the article properly. The point is, at least with men, perceived intelligence correlates with actual intelligence. Hence facial structure is reflective of characteristics. Same thing for e.g. the width of the face being related to testosterone levels, AI correctly identifying gays and lesbians with the trend being gays have more feminine faces and lesbians have more masculine faces etcetera.

    From the article, first paragraph:

    The human face is a complex structure with a crucial social signalling function. Though numerous and varied mammalian species exhibit well developed facial structures, the communicative and expressive roles of the face reach a unique level of ability in human beings [1]. It is well established in previous research that faces inform us about personality, sex, age, health, ethnicity, social rank, attractiveness and political affiliation, as well as, to some extent, the intelligence of the bearer [2][9].

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    ...and all of the research available points towards Dinarids having the perfect shaped skull for intelligence. High, with a wide forehead, and brachycephalic.

    Not sure why the Balkans are so dumb though lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe View Post
    ...and all of the research available points towards Dinarids having the perfect shaped skull for intelligence. High, with a wide forehead, and brachycephalic.

    Not sure why the Balkans are so dumb though lol
    Ω LUL ^

    How much irony a person can contain before collapsing into a black hole.
    Heard you need to be really dense to be a black hole, that has to count for something right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Archetype0ne View Post
    Ω LUL ^

    How much irony a person can contain before collapsing into a black hole.
    Heard you need to be really dense to be a black hole, that has to count for something right?

    Well I don't see why you should get offended if you think as people as individuals rather than a group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe View Post
    Well I don't see why you should get offended if you think as people as individuals rather than a group.
    I am not offended. Neither did I try to offend you. If that is how my post was perceived.

    Just wanted to point out that intelligence is related to the area of the brain, and there are other ways to increase area within the same diameter of the skull.

    Just like the principle in walnuts.

    Judging people on their looks can be deceiving.

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    La chiquita piconera. Julio Romero de Torres.

    http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/la-mitad-invisible/mitad-invisible-chiquita-
    piconera/3333473/


    The invisible half - The little piconera
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    In this chapter we immerse ourselves in the world of the Cordoba painter Julio Romero de Torres to scrutinize one of his most famous paintings, the portrait of La Chiquita Piconera, from 1930. It was the last work he painted before the death of this figurative painter named after him. copla and, for many, is an iconic portrait as Mona Lisa Latina.


    Clara Peñalver, also of Cordovan origin, is close to the most famous painter of the city, where today Julio Romero de Torres' footprint continues to be preserved and enhanced. Especially in the old town, where is the birthplace of the Romero de Torres family. In the famous Plaza del Potro is the Julio Romero de Torres Museum, with its best works but with La chiquita piconera in a place of honor. We will discover details of who was and what happened to the model of the painting, the influence of flamenco or the stylistic imprint on a popular sculptor from Cordoba, José Manuel Belmonte.


    Mounted on her motorcycle, Clara Peñalver also travels through the neighboring mountains of Cordoba to a small town, Piconcillo, where she greets her family, former piconeros. With them and with the official chronicler of Córdoba we can understand how important the piconería was for the survival of so many generations before electricity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post

    La chiquita piconera. Julio Romero de Torres.

    http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/la-mitad-invisible/mitad-invisible-chiquita-
    piconera/3333473/


    The invisible half - The little piconera
    Oct 24, 2015
    In this chapter we immerse ourselves in the world of the Cordoba painter Julio Romero de Torres to scrutinize one of his most famous paintings, the portrait of La Chiquita Piconera, from 1930. It was the last work he painted before the death of this figurative painter named after him. copla and, for many, is an iconic portrait as Mona Lisa Latina.


    Clara Peñalver, also of Cordovan origin, is close to the most famous painter of the city, where today Julio Romero de Torres' footprint continues to be preserved and enhanced. Especially in the old town, where is the birthplace of the Romero de Torres family. In the famous Plaza del Potro is the Julio Romero de Torres Museum, with its best works but with La chiquita piconera in a place of honor. We will discover details of who was and what happened to the model of the painting, the influence of flamenco or the stylistic imprint on a popular sculptor from Cordoba, José Manuel Belmonte.


    Mounted on her motorcycle, Clara Peñalver also travels through the neighboring mountains of Cordoba to a small town, Piconcillo, where she greets her family, former piconeros. With them and with the official chronicler of Córdoba we can understand how important the piconería was for the survival of so many generations before electricity.
    What a gorgeous painting, and what a gorgeous woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe View Post
    ...and all of the research available points towards Dinarids having the perfect shaped skull for intelligence. High, with a wide forehead, and brachycephalic.

    Not sure why the Balkans are so dumb though lol
    Testosterone and intelligence are also connected. We Balkanites (especially Western Balkanites) are known to have high testosterone, so I don't see your point.

    Perhaps you confuse intelligence with the chances you get in life, including your passport, education, and mother tongue.

    I'd be really curious to see what happens to your ethnic group if they're put in the middle of a war area surrounded by enemies. You think you'll come up as geniuses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nik View Post
    Testosterone and intelligence are also connected. We Balkanites (especially Western Balkanites) are known to have high testosterone, so I don't see your point.

    Perhaps you confuse intelligence with the chances you get in life, including your passport, education, and mother tongue.

    I'd be really curious to see what happens to your ethnic group if they're put in the middle of a war area surrounded by enemies. You think you'll come up as geniuses?
    Check out the list of key people working on the Manhattan project, over half of them were Jews. The nuclear bomb was being designed for Germany, not Japan. Creating the ultimate weapon of war is pretty good by my standard. Israel doesn’t do too bad either.

    And if you meant IQ in the Balkans is limited by it being an occasional war zone, that makes no sense.

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    @ToBeOrNotToBe @Nik “Enrico Fermi”

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    ps I don’t have an IQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToBeOrNotToBe View Post
    Check out the list of key people working on the Manhattan project, over half of them were Jews. The nuclear bomb was being designed for Germany, not Japan. Creating the ultimate weapon of war is pretty good by my standard. Israel doesn’t do too bad either.

    And if you meant IQ in the Balkans is limited by it being an occasional war zone, that makes no sense.
    It's like saying when our ancestors were creating the Vinca culture yours were working to build the pyramids under the leash of the Egyptians.

    Make up your mind, you either like the dinarics or you despise them.

    Definitely you have no idea what IQ means and it seems impossible for you to independently come to the conclusion that twins raised in completely different environments will have an extreme gap in their IQ scores.

    Luckily for you I just mentioned it so you don't have to figure it out by yourself and will hopefully give the twins example some thought.

    Another gift for you, different people have different opinions on what to call dumb. The way we Balkan dumbs react is justified by our thinking while the way you react is simply effeminate for example. You for instance might not care that your bullies spit on your face and humiliate you in front of everyone while you put your head down and run home crying, thinking you're being so intelligent. While we dumb savages think it's way better to be expelled from school for a month for beating the bullies while maintaining our image, respect, strong character, and reputation so that in the future nobody will continue to cause us emotional damage ;)

    Speaking of ideal beauty, we Balkan men prefer to engage in sports and physical training, as well as maintaining a masculine figure by keeping our hair short instead of growing a payots/sideburns. Perceptions differ from group to group and from individual to individual. No need for you to jump into IQ conclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nik View Post
    It's like saying when our ancestors were creating the Vinca culture yours were working to build the pyramids under the leash of the Egyptians.

    Make up your mind, you either like the dinarics or you despise them.

    Definitely you have no idea what IQ means and it seems impossible for you to independently come to the conclusion that twins raised in completely different environments will have an extreme gap in their IQ scores.

    Luckily for you I just mentioned it so you don't have to figure it out by yourself and will hopefully give the twins example some thought.

    Another gift for you, different people have different opinions on what to call dumb. The way we Balkan dumbs react is justified by our thinking while the way you react is simply effeminate for example. You for instance might not care that your bullies spit on your face and humiliate you in front of everyone while you put your head down and run home crying, thinking you're being so intelligent. While we dumb savages think it's way better to be expelled from school for a month for beating the bullies while maintaining our image, respect, strong character, and reputation so that in the future nobody will continue to cause us emotional damage ;)

    Speaking of ideal beauty, we Balkan men prefer to engage in sports and physical training, as well as maintaining a masculine figure by keeping our hair short instead of growing a payots/sideburns. Perceptions differ from group to group and from individual to individual. No need for you to jump into IQ conclusions.
    The way to deal with t-rolls is not to engage them. Eventually they cross the line, make racist remarks, insult other nationalities etc. and then they get infractions. Enough infractions and you get banned, as has now happened.

    However, I can't let something that is obviously wrong go uncorrected. Hundreds and hundreds of twin studies have showed that different environments don't affect IQ at all, and the twins wind up with virtually the same IQ.

    However, we're not talking about extreme environments. Children raised in overcrowded orphanages without affection or stimulation of any kind do suffer IQ drops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    The way to deal with t-rolls is not to engage them. Eventually they cross the line, make racist remarks, insult other nationalities etc. and then they get infractions. Enough infractions and you get banned, as has now happened.

    However, I can't let something that is obviously wrong go uncorrected. Hundreds and hundreds of twin studies have showed that different environments don't affect IQ at all, and the twins wind up with virtually the same IQ.

    However, we're not talking about extreme environments. Children raised in overcrowded orphanages without affection or stimulation of any kind do suffer IQ drops.
    Yes, obviously I wasn't talking about actual studies as a study made on twins raised in different parts of New York will not give you any results.

    Whereas a case of a twin raised in the remote North Albania where my elementary school classmates were crying for being hungry and refusing the teachers orders to come up to the blackboard because they were hungry, compared to his twin raised in an Ashkenazi family in London (for example), with a British passport, English as mother tongue, and not to mention the economical gap.

    The destiny of the first one is to maybe finish elementary school and get taken by a family member to migrate (usually illegally) to Greece or Italy first and work at a young age in a restaurant, while his London twin is thinking which university suits him better and which path will he take, that of law from his father, or that of finance from his mother.

    Now tell me what you all think of their predicted IQ which we all know doesn't even mean the other is not intelligent.

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