New Study on Bourbon DNA by Gerard Lucotte

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The Y-SNP Z-381 Is a Patrilineal DNA Marker of the Royal Bourbon Family of France

Just bringing this to your attention (in case you haven't seen it already). I still can't post links, so just Google the title.<br>

No really big news, but G. Lucotte has turned his attention to the Bourbons for a Y-DNA analysis. It appears that Prince Sixte-Henri of Bourbon-Parma is quite helpful to the former's team. I don't like that Louis XVI is automatically also assigned to be R1b, though. The study from 2013 didn't prove anything in that matter.<br>

P. S. Is it just me or someone is trying to imply a much closer agnatic connection between the Bourbons and the Wettins?
 
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P. S. Is it just me or someone is trying to imply a much closer agnatic connection between the Bourbons and the Wettins?
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Of course there was. One just has to know more than the basics of both families.
 
I agree. It's just as if a member of the House of Wettin cheated on a member of the House of Bourbon with the latter's wife and everyone was trying to manoeuvre around it. I'm probably wrong though.
 
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Leandro was the illegitimate son of the late Spanish King Alfonso XIII and uncle of Juan Carlos I.

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Leandro was the son of Alfonso Xlll and a republican actress, what a paradox.
Leandro has already died but he has a son who has become a good candidate and someone who has proposed in the genetic test and get to know the Bourbons better.
 
Speaking of King Alfonso XIII, I recently had a look at pictures of his "official" grandfather, Duke Francisco. There is a vague resemblance between them. Of course, until someone from that branch (such as this man, who may or may not be the King's son) gets tested, we have no way of knowing and so have to stick with the Queen's spouse.
Incidentally, Alfonso XIII has always seemed a bit gay to me. If he did have illegitimate children, then he may have been bisexual instead. Oh, well...
 
[CITA = Venko2257; 567137] Hablando del rey Alfonso XIII, hace poco eché un vistazo a las fotos de su abuelo "oficial", el duque Francisco. Hay un vago parecido entre ellos. Por supuesto, hasta que alguien de esa rama (como este hombre, que puede o no ser el hijo del Rey) se haga la prueba, no tenemos forma de saberlo y, por lo tanto, tenemos que quedarnos con el cónyuge de la Reina.
Por cierto, Alfonso XIII siempre me ha parecido un poco gay. Si tuvo hijos ilegítimos, entonces podría haber sido bisexual en su lugar. Oh, bueno ... [/ CITA]

Leandro was finally recognized by the Spanish Royal family as the son of Alfonso Xlll. There are genetic tests, I think I remember an interview with Leandro's son who said he had a genetic test, many years ago and now almost nobody knows about the haplogrupos e.t.c. In those years, the only journalistic interest would be about fatherhood. If someone is interested, I should contact Leandro's son because I do not think Felipe is willing.

Alfonso Xlll was hotter than the grill of McDonalds, he must have had hundreds of lovers and was the first producer of pornographic films in Spain. Luis Fernando de Orleans cousin of Alfonso I think he was homosexual but Alfonso Xlll has never commented anything, it is possible that he was bisexual, I do not know, he had never thought about it.

https://cadenaser.com/emisora/2019/01/16/radio_valencia/1547625744_130969.html
 
Wow, I didn't know about that!
I agree that Luis Alfonso, as well as Juan Carlos I and Felipe VI should not be tested (if they don't want it), but this man's son could be tested, if he wishes. If he turns out to be the same as the three princes from the original research, then everything is OK.
There is also some doubt about the line of the Duke of Seville*. Further testing may confirm the matters.

* Long story short, there have been rumours that the wife of King Carlos IV cheated on him and his last son, Infante Francisco, was not actually his. The latter had two sons: the elder was the father (?) of King Alfonso XII and the younger is the progenitor of the current Duke of Seville. :confused:
 
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Venko2257 said:
The Y-SNP Z-381 Is a Patrilineal DNA Marker of the Royal Bourbon Family of France

Just bringing this to your attention (in case you haven't seen it already). I still can't post links, so just Google the title.<br>

No really big news, but G. Lucotte has turned his attention to the Bourbons for a Y-DNA analysis. It appears that Prince Sixte-Henri of Bourbon-Parma is quite helpful to the former's team. I don't like that Louis XVI is automatically also assigned to be R1b, though. The study from 2013 didn't prove anything in that matter.<br>

P. S. Is it just me or someone is trying to imply a much closer agnatic connection between the Bourbons and the Wettins?
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Here is the long-awaited link: https://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=90376
 

This man is the grandson of Alfonso Xlll is called Leandro like his father who is the son of Alfonso Xlll out of wedlock. Apparently he is at a fair in Madrid and says he was invited by Pilar, the sister of Juan Carlos l which shows that he has relations with the Royal House or at least part of it. For many years, this topic has not been discussed in the Spanish media.

He must have relations only with the King's sisters because in this interview he is giving opinions about the imputation of the Infanta Cristina, about hunting the king's lefantes, so I doubt that he has relations with Felipe and the emeritus kings so it is possible that I agreed to the genetic test.
 

Blanca de Borbón

She is also the daughter of Leandro de Borbón and therefore a granddaughter of Alfonso Xlll. It seems to be because of her words that she is the most resentful of the family Bourbon in the shade so she would be a good candidate to scrub the swab out of her mouth.
 
Thank you for the information!
You are saying that Leandro Borbon has been confirmed as a biological son of King Alfonso XIII, right? In that case his sons should have the same Y-Chromosome DNA as him (more or less). If Leandro Junior gets tested, his result should be compared to that of, say, Prince Sixte-Henri of Bourbon-Parma. After that, we will know if a Non-paternity event has occurred.
Is King Carlos IV the biological father of Infante Francisco?
Is Duke Francisco the biological father of King Alfonso XII?
Who knows? 😒
 
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I have quickly made a patrilineal line of descent of the Royal House of Bourbon. It begins with King Louis XIII and branches at his great-grandson King Felipe V.
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Infante Francisco, Duke of Cadiz, is sometimes considered to not have been the biological son of King Carlos IV.
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King Alfonso XII is usually considered not to have been the biological son of King Consort Francisco.
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Is Leandro Jr. a seventh cousin of Sixte-Henri of Bourbon-Parma?
 
More than considerations could be demonstrated because Leandro is confirmed to be the grandson of Alfonso Xlll. The only way to see it would be scientifically.
 
OK, which is why if Leandro is willing, he should test and find his Y-DNA haplogroup. It should be R1b, at the very least.
P. S. I have found a brief article about Leandro Senior's recognition as an illegitimate son of King Alfonso XIII:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/1431536/Royal-bastard-is-uncle-of-Spains-king-judge-rules.html
It appears that no DNA test has been done, as the judge thought it was not really needed.
 
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On a related note, it appears that Naundorff may have been Louis XVII after all.
In 2014, Hughes de Bourbon, a patrilineal descendant of the former, was tested by Gerard Lucotte and his results were compared to those of the "confirmed" princes of Bourbon-Parma and Orleans-Braganza. Yes, it's R1b and there are only six differences in mutations.

Link: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2573698
 
^^
Unofficially, I am convinced that there is genetic testing. I remember that Leandro Junior commented on it in an interview many years ago and it is something that anyone would have resorted to. I do not know with what direct family member of the Royal House they did it but the proof exists; if only by logic.
 
https://www.ijsciences.com/pub/article/1005

This is from 2016. So Naundorff may not have been Louis XVII after all. 😫
The Y-STR profile of King Louis XVI does appear to be similar enough to those of the Living Bourbons, but everything is so confusing, that I don't know what to believe anymore.

As for Carlos and Leandro Junior: it is perfectly possible that while the Spanish judge had not commissioned a DNA test, one was made regardless.

I was left with the impression that you know this family personally. Am I right? 😉
 
^^No, I do not know her but they are familiar to me, I do not know why.
 
That's OK!
Maybe one day we could meet them in person! 😁😁😁
 
Everything is possible
 
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