North Italians are genetically closer to French, Germans than to South Italians.

[Sile]

There are too many people on this forum who think nationality is ethnicity....this is an error
there are many ethnicities which make a nation
Italy like Spain, England, Germany etc is made up of many ethnicities
remember, ethnicities stay forever, nations come and go
.
Just ignore all admixutre tests that have Italian or just German or just Spanish, they are always wrong
.
admixture should realise that north-italians need to have their own category with Swiss , Austrian, south-german or anyone else who has an alpine connection.......the category should be called Alpine Europe ...different from central Europe
.

 

[Angela]

And there you have it, our own resident Lega Nord member. Just remember, they're the fringe.

 

[Salento]

If I tell the Lega Nord, which one of their sympathizers has my same sub haplogroup, they would shun him immediately.
just sayin’ !!! :grin:

 

[Angela]

If I tell the Lega Nord, which one of their sympathizers has my same sub haplogroup, they would shun him immediately.
just sayin’ !!! :grin:

It's just so stupid. As if Switzerland would want his "ALPINE" area, never mind the Austrians and Bavarians. They barely tolerate the Ticinesi who are part of the federation. It's typical of some Veneto people of the diaspora. They reflect the attitudes of 100 years ago. As I'm sure I don't have to tell you, even most Lega Nord people don't think this way nowadays. Christ, I have a few people in my own family, who are "far" from the Trentino, who vote Lega Nord these days, but it's for economic reasons and anti-immigration reasons. The rest are fervent Communists, well "Socialists", nowadays. Welcome to Northwestern Italy. Most of my mother's family were Communists or Socialists during the war. That's why so many were partisans. Heck, our priests sing Bella Ciao after Mass, and even wave the red scarf Poor old man, he's old enough to have indeed woken up to find the "invaders". It's a disgrace to these people and to all Italians to want to be absorbed by them. Sorry, but I had to say it.

Some of the Bavarians might not like it, but a lot of E-V13 in Bavaria, including in Adolph Hitler probably, and probably some "T" as well.

 

[Archetype0ne]

If I tell the Lega Nord, which one of their sympathizers has my same sub haplogroup, they would shun him immediately.
just sayin’ !!! :grin:

I wonder what haplo Berlusconi is? Seems Lega Nord had no problems with him.

The profile reminds me a bit of Il Duche. Not sure.

The nose. Even the hairline.


@ Angela are you saying Trump might be E-V13? Cause I never thought of that, LOL.

Hmm...

 

[Angela]

Umm...I think I said Hitler. That's the closest guess I think, based on the dna they stole from his nephew.

If you're going to guess for Trump, I guess you'd have to go with the most common one in Bavaria. Is it R1b U-106? I don't know.

 

[Archetype0ne]

Umm...I think I said Hitler. That's the closest guess I think, based on the dna they stole from his nephew.

If you're going to guess for Trump, I guess you'd have to go with the most common one in Bavaria. Is it R1b U-106? I don't know.

Oh... I might have miss understood the "T". Thought it was referring to Trump...

 

[Sile]

there are some on this forum that have a tendency to bracket people as one stereo type...as , an example
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these same people think that all germans in WW2 where nazi's.
-all italians in WW2 where fascists.
-all southern italians belong to the mafia.
-all confederate families where slave owners ( only 20% where )
-all usa democrats are communists
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how many times do we have to read this tripe by these members and or administrators !

 

[Salento]

@Sile Come on! No way you didn’t know you would get a ಠ_ಠ reaction:

Just ignore all admixutre tests that have Italian or just German or just Spanish, they are always wrong.

admixture should realise that north-italians need to have their own category with Swiss , Austrian, south-german or anyone else who has an alpine connection.......the category should be called Alpine Europe ...different from Central Europe.

Just because you feel a stronger affinity with the Alpine areas, than mainland Italy, you
can’t possibly say to ignore all admixutre tests that have Italian on it.

Especially to the Italians. ᕙ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕗ

 

[Sile]

@Sile Come on! No way you didn’t know you would get a ಠ_ಠ reaction:
Just because you feel a stronger affinity with the Alpine areas, than mainland Italy, you
can’t possibly say to ignore all admixutre tests that have Italian on it.
Especially to the Italians.
( ͡ಠ ʖ̯ ͡ಠ)

i was saying , every admixture with the conclusion of italian, or spanish or german are useless compared if they had tuscan, sicilian, trentino etc
whats the point of have italian or german or british....what use is it?......might as well have european

 

[Sile]

I think people need to avoid insulting their families like previous posts on this thread.

I did not come here to listen to their families issues/gripes, be them true or fake ............leave it at home

 

[Salento]

i was saying , every admixture with the conclusion of italian, or spanish or german are useless compared if they had tuscan, sicilian, trentino etc
whats the point of have italian or german or british....what use is it?......might as well have european

We have that already, at the Regional and Local Level.

You get Italy-Veneto + ...,
I get Italy-Puglia, + ...

on AncestryDna, 23andme, and so on.

The point for [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡)̲̅$̲̅] all these tests is to know with which populations we share segments of our DNA. Continental, Regional, and Local results.

I guess, they could use better nomenclatures in some areas.

 

[Sile]

We have that already, at the Regional and Local Level.

You get Italy-Veneto + ...,
I get Italy-Puglia, + ...

on AncestryDna, 23andme, and so on.

The point for [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡)̲̅$̲̅] all these tests is to know with which populations we share segments of our DNA. Continental, Regional, and Local results.

I guess, they could use better nomenclatures in some areas.

the thread is about ...........
how can we even discuss any similarity of italian with french or german?

start another thread then....i will not join as national terms for admixtures does not interest me,...last time I saw italian as a pure admixture classification was in 2013

 

[Salento]

the thread is about ...........
how can we even discuss any similarity of italian with french or german?

start another thread then....i will not join as national terms for admixtures does not interest me,...last time I saw italian as a pure admixture classification was in 2013

While the similarity discussion with the Northern Europeans goes on, I shall change my user-name from Salento to Redcoat (not really).

Not you, but in a Wider Sense, it seems that many people think that Southern Italians share similarities only with South-East areas, and non Northward, False.

 

[Georgewalley]

While the similarity discussion with the Northern Europeans goes on, I shall change my user-name from Salento to Redcoat (not really).

Not you, but in a Wider Sense, it seems that many people think that Southern Italians share similarities only with South-East areas, and non Northward, False.

There's some North Italian, French ,Catalan and Southern German input in Sicily and Campania. Sicily was even part of the Spanish kingdom for 400 years I think.

Sicilian_East

Mycenaean,36.2
German,31.4
Levant_BA_North,30.2
Tunisian,2.2

East Sicilians can be modelled as 36% Myceanean which can be a proxy for Hellenic/Greek. the German can be a proxy for additional North Italian, Celtic, German input or anything Northern which requires higher Steppe, Corded Ware related ancestry. The Levant BA is post Neolithic Near Eastern that came via the Sea possibly by Semitic like people either brought there as slaves or came by boat.

 

[Sile]

While the similarity discussion with the Northern Europeans goes on, I shall change my user-name from Salento to Redcoat (not really).
Not you, but in a Wider Sense, it seems that many people think that Southern Italians share similarities only with South-East areas, and non Northward, False.

it is because these south italians want a purer non-germanic, non-french, non-slavic .........but purer italian...the Greek they have in them has already been diluted over many centuries,
there are forums that have these people
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what do admixture tests say for yourself ?
.
you have seen mine in the past

 

[Salento]

it is because these south italians want a purer non-germanic, non-french, non-slavic .........but purer italian...the Greek they have in them has already been diluted over many centuries,
there are forums that have these people
.
what do admixture tests say for yourself ?
.
you have seen mine in the past

First of all I've included everybody, and I find peculiar the fact that you’ve single-out and pinpointed only that small fringe of people who claim to be S.Italians or partially S.Italians with a Chip on Their Shoulders. We all know who they are.

Those are some of my Results, I sent them to you in the past in a more breakdown form, You used them to speculate a North to South Italy T1a2... migration.

Now it is time to end this hostility, there is no need...

 

[mihaitzateo]

It depends on what calculator you are using.
From a cultural point of view, I understand that young Italians from Lombardia are no longer learning the Lombard language, so they are losing their Italian-Gaulish identity and they become only Italians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lombard_language
Italy, when it was under the Roman Empire had a lot of non-Italic people that settled in Italy, after receiving land there, as a reward for their service in the Roman Empire army.
So, it depends on what people DNA you are using to make a comparison, also.
If you take Italians from Lombardy and the French from SE France, you might have the surprise to see that Italians from Lombardy are more Northern Shifted than those French people from SE France.

 

[Angela]

It depends on what calculator you are using.
From a cultural point of view, I understand that young Italians from Lombardia are no longer learning the Lombard language, so they are losing their Italian-Gaulish identity and they become only Italians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lombard_language
Italy, when it was under the Roman Empire had a lot of non-Italic people that settled in Italy, after receiving land there, as a reward for their service in the Roman Empire army.
So, it depends on what people DNA you are using to make a comparison, also.
If you take Italians from Lombardy and the French from SE France, you might have the surprise to see that Italians from Lombardy are more Northern Shifted than those French people from SE France.

The North Italian sample IS from LOMBARDIA, Bergamo to be precise, which is only 19 miles from Switzerland. We don't have southeast French samples.

There are more "northern" "Italians, i.e Valle d'Aosta and Trentino, but they are late additions, so you might get an argument as to whether they are "really" Italian.

 

[mihaitzateo]

The North Italian sample IS from LOMBARDIA, Bergamo to be precise, which is only 19 miles from Switzerland. We don't have southeast French samples.

There are more "northern" "Italians, i.e Valle d'Aosta and Trentino, but they are late additions, so you might get an argument as to whether they are "really" Italian.

Lombards were Galo-Romance people. They should also have plenty of Germanic input.
So I do not think is very relevant to use a sample from Lombardia to tell that "North Italians are genetically closer to French or Germans than to South Italians".
Maybe it was a more Northern shifted Italian from Lombardy.
If you take people from Tuscany which are still North Italians, those are very close to people from Lazio and quite close to people from South Italy not to the French or German people.
French people are not very uniform from a genetic point of view, either.
I think French people are most diverse from a genetic point of view, from all Europe and I am referring to French ethnics with roots only from France, from before 1800, for example.
OK, French people with more Eastern European genetics are not found so often, but you can find from Southern Europeans till Northern Europeans, as Autosomal genetics, in France.