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    Neolithic & Bronze Age Orcadians on GEDmatch Genesis

    Map of ancient human DNA samples: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map...9.0045/-2.5790

    I have uploaded those ancient Orcadians to GEDmatch Genesis. Two Neolithic and one Bronze Age:





    I2630, Neolithic Orkney Islands, 2581–2464 calBCE (3999±32 BP), Y-DNA I2a1b1, mtDNA K1a4:


    GEDmatch Genesis kit number - RX9884525


    Eurogenes K15 results:


    Admix Results (sorted):


    # Population Percent
    1 West_Med 49.2
    2 Atlantic 30.24
    3 North_Sea 10.12
    4 East_Med 7.99
    5 Red_Sea 2.44


    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Sardinian 12.19
    2 Spanish_Andalucia 25.05
    3 Spanish_Cantabria 25.29
    4 Spanish_Aragon 25.3
    5 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 25.86
    6 Southwest_French 25.98
    7 Spanish_Valencia 26.52
    8 French_Basque 26.89
    9 Spanish_Extremadura 27.27
    10 Spanish_Murcia 27.75
    11 Portuguese 27.88
    12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 28.17
    13 Spanish_Galicia 28.57
    14 North_Italian 28.59
    15 Spanish_Cataluna 28.64
    16 Tuscan 32.01
    17 French 35.71
    18 West_Sicilian 35.76
    19 Greek 37.76
    20 Italian_Abruzzo 37.79


    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 75.6% Sardinian + 24.4% French_Basque @ 9.03
    2 79.9% Sardinian + 20.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 10.75
    3 79.9% Sardinian + 20.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 10.75
    4 80.5% Sardinian + 19.5% Southwest_French @ 10.76
    5 81.9% Sardinian + 18.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 11.04
    6 90.9% Sardinian + 9.1% Orcadian @ 11.31
    7 90% Sardinian + 10% Southwest_English @ 11.31
    8 84% Sardinian + 16% Spanish_Valencia @ 11.31
    9 91% Sardinian + 9% West_Scottish @ 11.34
    10 91% Sardinian + 9% Irish @ 11.35
    11 90.7% Sardinian + 9.3% Southeast_English @ 11.37
    12 83.8% Sardinian + 16.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 11.41
    13 85.8% Sardinian + 14.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 11.42
    14 86.1% Sardinian + 13.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 11.44
    15 86.3% Sardinian + 13.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 11.52
    16 86.2% Sardinian + 13.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 11.53
    17 92.2% Sardinian + 7.8% North_Dutch @ 11.55
    18 92.2% Sardinian + 7.8% Danish @ 11.56
    19 92.9% Sardinian + 7.1% West_Norwegian @ 11.6
    20 87.2% Sardinian + 12.8% Portuguese @ 11.61


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 10.320324
    2 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 12.456655
    3 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Aragon @ 12.470801
    4 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Southwest_French @ 12.494973
    5 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 12.899986
    6 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Valencia @ 13.353451
    7 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 13.429128
    8 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 13.640381
    9 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 13.720404
    10 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 13.780892
    11 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Murcia @ 13.798806
    12 French_Basque + French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 13.881833
    13 Portuguese + Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 13.969643
    14 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Galicia @ 14.067852
    15 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 14.198653
    16 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Aragon @ 14.325199
    17 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 14.334916
    18 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Southwest_French @ 14.443195
    19 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 14.540971
    20 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 14.559274


    Eurogenes K36:


    126953 SNPs used in this evaluation


    Population
    Amerindian -
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque 6.55 Pct
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro -
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan -
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro -
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro -
    Fennoscandian -
    French 1.21 Pct
    Iberian 37.09 Pct

    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 25.51 Pct
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African 0.88 Pct
    North_Atlantic -
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea -
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med 28.76 Pct


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    Another Neolithic one:


    I2932, Neolithic Orkney Islands, 2571–2348 calBCE (3962±29 BP), Y-DNA I2a1b, mtDNA H5:


    GEDmatch Genesis kit number - FL6741941


    Eurogenes K15 results:


    Admix Results (sorted):


    # Population Percent
    1 West_Med 46.96
    2 Atlantic 34.92
    3 North_Sea 10.84
    4 Red_Sea 3.25
    5 Baltic 2.36
    6 East_Med 1.67


    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Sardinian 18.4
    2 French_Basque 22.71
    3 Spanish_Cantabria 23.32
    4 Spanish_Aragon 23.39
    5 Southwest_French 23.55
    6 Spanish_Andalucia 24.11
    7 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 24.3
    8 Spanish_Valencia 25.25
    9 Spanish_Extremadura 26.5
    10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 26.82
    11 Spanish_Murcia 26.95
    12 Portuguese 27.2
    13 Spanish_Cataluna 27.44
    14 Spanish_Galicia 27.82
    15 North_Italian 29.18
    16 Tuscan 33.52
    17 French 34.25
    18 West_Sicilian 38.02
    19 South_Dutch 38.43
    20 Greek 39.5


    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 57.9% Sardinian + 42.1% French_Basque @ 11.8
    2 62.5% Sardinian + 37.5% Southwest_French @ 14.74
    3 62.5% Sardinian + 37.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 14.93
    4 62.7% Sardinian + 37.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 14.97
    5 65.5% Sardinian + 34.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 15.53
    6 68.3% Sardinian + 31.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 16.02
    7 80.7% Sardinian + 19.3% Southwest_English @ 16.18
    8 67.1% Sardinian + 32.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 16.19
    9 82.3% Sardinian + 17.7% Irish @ 16.21
    10 82.6% Sardinian + 17.4% West_Scottish @ 16.23
    11 71.1% Sardinian + 28.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 16.23
    12 82.9% Sardinian + 17.1% Orcadian @ 16.26
    13 81.9% Sardinian + 18.1% Southeast_English @ 16.3
    14 72.3% Sardinian + 27.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 16.34
    15 72.1% Sardinian + 27.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 16.56
    16 72.7% Sardinian + 27.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 16.57
    17 84.1% Sardinian + 15.9% North_Dutch @ 16.61
    18 84.3% Sardinian + 15.7% Danish @ 16.64
    19 81.8% Sardinian + 18.2% South_Dutch @ 16.71
    20 73.7% Sardinian + 26.3% Portuguese @ 16.74


    Eurogenes K36:


    108803 SNPs used in this evaluation


    Population
    Amerindian -
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque 8.92 Pct
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro -
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan -
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro -
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro -
    Fennoscandian -
    French 6.39 Pct
    Iberian 37.99 Pct

    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 22.85 Pct
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic -
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea -
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med 23.85 Pct


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    Compare them to Bronze Age Orkney Islanders:

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    Here is a Bronze Age Orcadian:


    http://www.messagetoeagle.com/huge-b...ey-discovered/


    I2981, Early Bronze Age Orkney Islands, years 2009-1497 calBCE, mtDNA T2a1b1a:


    GEDmatch Genesis kit number - WZ1172764


    Eurogenes K15 results:


    Admix Results (sorted):


    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 35.56
    2 Atlantic 29.63
    3 Eastern_Euro 11.88
    4 Baltic 10.51
    5 West_Med 5.66
    6 West_Asian 2.61
    7 South_Asian 1.66
    8 East_Med 1.16
    9 Amerindian 0.72
    10 Red_Sea 0.41
    11 Oceanian 0.21


    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Danish 2.65
    2 West_Scottish 3.39
    3 Irish 3.83
    4 North_Dutch 4.4
    5 Southeast_English 4.47
    6 North_German 4.96
    7 Orcadian 5.48
    8 Southwest_English 6.25
    9 Norwegian 6.91
    10 West_Norwegian 7.85
    11 Swedish 8.27
    12 South_Dutch 8.65
    13 North_Swedish 9.79
    14 West_German 10.28
    15 East_German 13.24
    16 French 13.62
    17 Southwest_Finnish 14.19
    18 Austrian 16.93
    19 Finnish 17.79
    20 Hungarian 17.97


    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 95.3% West_Scottish + 4.7% MA-1 @ 2.02
    2 91.3% West_Scottish + 8.7% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.17
    3 92.5% West_Scottish + 7.5% Erzya @ 2.24
    4 94% West_Scottish + 6% Chuvash @ 2.24
    5 89.8% West_Scottish + 10.2% East_Finnish @ 2.28
    6 94.9% West_Scottish + 5.1% Mari @ 2.34
    7 85.3% West_Scottish + 14.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.39
    8 96.3% Danish + 3.7% French_Basque @ 2.42
    9 70.9% Danish + 29.1% West_Scottish @ 2.48
    10 92.2% West_Scottish + 7.8% Southwest_Russian @ 2.5
    11 98.5% Danish + 1.5% MA-1 @ 2.51
    12 92.2% West_Scottish + 7.8% Estonian_Polish @ 2.52
    13 92.4% West_Scottish + 7.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.54
    14 79.5% Danish + 20.5% Irish @ 2.55
    15 88.7% West_Scottish + 11.3% Finnish @ 2.55
    16 92.1% West_Scottish + 7.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.59
    17 99.5% Danish + 0.5% Anzick-1 @ 2.59
    18 99.6% Danish + 0.4% Karitiana @ 2.59
    19 99.5% Danish + 0.5% Pima @ 2.6
    20 97.7% Danish + 2.3% Southwest_French @ 2.6


    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Danish +50% West_Scottish @ 2.946774


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Danish +25% Danish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.831155


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Danish + Danish + Danish + West_Scottish @ 2.831155
    2 Danish + Danish + Danish + Irish @ 2.923766
    3 Danish + Danish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.946774
    4 Danish + Danish + Danish + Danish @ 3.022775
    5 Danish + Danish + Danish + Southeast_English @ 3.042341
    6 Danish + Danish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.042700
    7 Danish + Danish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.091383
    8 Danish + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.096778
    9 Danish + Danish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.125803
    10 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.162301
    11 North_Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.167057
    12 Danish + Danish + Irish + Irish @ 3.183219
    13 Irish + North_Swedish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.194643
    14 Orcadian + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.213235
    15 Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.232417
    16 Irish + North_Swedish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.232619
    17 Danish + Danish + Irish + Southeast_English @ 3.262390
    18 Irish + Irish + North_Swedish + West_Scottish @ 3.277406
    19 Danish + Danish + Irish + North_German @ 3.289220
    20 Danish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.301765


    Eurogenes K36:


    110149 SNPs used in this evaluation


    Population
    Amerindian -
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque 4.05 Pct
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 5.25 Pct
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 2.48 Pct
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 3.79 Pct
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro 8.19 Pct
    Fennoscandian 11.79 Pct
    French 5.05 Pct
    Iberian 16.14 Pct

    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 1.74 Pct
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 19.23 Pct
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea 17.66 Pct
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian 3.28 Pct
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural 1.33 Pct
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med -


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    "Stenchme, Lop Ness, Sanday (Orkney, Scotland): A crouched human burial was excavated in 2000 from eroding coastal sand dunes on the island of Sanday, Orkney (Canmore ID 306622, https://canmore.org.uk/site/306622/sanday-stenchme)113. The Early Bronze Age burial lay in a stone cist measuring 1.3 m north-south by 0.9 m east-west, and was apparently associated with lithics and pottery (https://canmore.org.uk/site/306622/sandaystenchme). A human petrous bone was successfully analyzed for ancient DNA:


    I2981/GENSCOT80: 2009–1497 calBCE [1741–1497 calBCE (3320±50 BP, AA51418); 2009–1696 calBCE (3520±40 BP, AA-43651)]"




    This Bronze Age Orcadian in Eurogenes K13 is even closer to Denmark than in Eurogenes K15:


    Admix Results (sorted):


    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 49.81
    2 Baltic 26.63
    3 West_Med 10.08
    4 West_Asian 5.93
    5 East_Med 3.34
    6 South_Asian 1.65
    7 Amerindian 1
    8 Oceanian 0.55
    9 Siberian 0.4
    10 Red_Sea 0.37
    11 Northeast_African 0.22


    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Danish 1.06
    2 North_Dutch 1.63
    3 Norwegian 2.85
    4 North_German 2.89
    5 Orcadian 3.64
    6 Irish 4.2
    7 Swedish 4.72
    8 West_Scottish 4.87
    9 Southeast_English 5.11
    10 Southwest_English 6.57
    11 South_Dutch 8.75
    12 West_German 9.3
    13 North_Swedish 10.89
    14 East_German 12.87
    15 Austrian 12.88
    16 French 14.82
    17 Hungarian 17.08
    18 Southwest_Finnish 19.06
    19 South_Polish 21.69
    20 Spanish_Cataluna 22.35


    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 99.3% Danish + 0.7% Pima @ 0.74
    2 99.4% Danish + 0.6% Karitiana @ 0.74
    3 99.3% Danish + 0.7% North_Amerindian @ 0.75
    4 99.3% Danish + 0.7% Mayan @ 0.76
    5 99.1% Danish + 0.9% West_Greenlander @ 0.86
    6 99.3% Danish + 0.7% East_Greenlander @ 0.86
    7 99.1% Danish + 0.9% MA-1 @ 0.92
    8 99.6% Danish + 0.4% Papuan @ 0.94
    9 99.5% Danish + 0.5% Chukchi @ 0.96
    10 99.6% Danish + 0.4% NAN_Melanesian @ 0.97
    11 99.6% Danish + 0.4% Koryak @ 0.99
    12 92.6% Danish + 7.4% Swedish @ 1
    13 87.9% Danish + 12.1% Norwegian @ 1
    14 99.1% Danish + 0.9% Chuvash @ 1
    15 99.2% Danish + 0.8% Mari @ 1
    16 99.5% Danish + 0.5% Ket @ 1.01
    17 99.6% Danish + 0.4% Selkup @ 1.01
    18 99% Danish + 1% Tatar @ 1.01
    19 99.5% Danish + 0.5% Shors @ 1.01
    20 80.6% Danish + 19.4% North_Dutch @ 1.02


    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Danish +50% Danish @ 0.854065


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Danish +25% Danish +25% Danish @ 0.854065


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Danish + Danish + Danish + Danish @ 0.854065
    2 Danish + Danish + Danish + North_Dutch @ 0.900123
    3 Danish + Danish + North_German + Norwegian @ 0.929855
    4 Danish + Danish + North_Dutch + North_German @ 0.941332
    5 Danish + Danish + Danish + Norwegian @ 0.968359
    6 Danish + Danish + Danish + North_German @ 1.009230
    7 Danish + North_Dutch + North_German + Norwegian @ 1.054867
    8 Danish + North_German + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 1.060898
    9 Danish + Danish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch @ 1.064801
    10 Danish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + North_German @ 1.092657
    11 Danish + North_German + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 1.112390
    12 Danish + Danish + North_German + Orcadian @ 1.127512
    13 Danish + Danish + Irish + North_German @ 1.132512
    14 Danish + Danish + North_Dutch + Norwegian @ 1.149699
    15 North_German + North_German + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 1.178998
    16 Danish + Irish + North_German + Norwegian @ 1.187617
    17 Danish + North_German + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 1.211643
    18 Danish + Danish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 1.222781
    19 Danish + Irish + North_German + Swedish @ 1.269829
    20 Danish + Danish + Irish + Swedish @ 1.271701

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    Nice comparison. The bronze age sample looks surprisingly modern, but this is before supposed Germanic migration. I would say this is very likely evidence of Germanic/Scandinavian presence on the Isles earlier than previously thought.

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    Other Bronze Age uploads look less "Germanic" and much more typical Insular Celtic:

    Bronze Age Outer Hebrides: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...logroup-I2a2a1

    Late Bronze Age Caledonia: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...ge-Caledonians

    Quote Originally Posted by I1a3_Young View Post
    The bronze age sample looks surprisingly modern
    Actually in K36 it is not super similar to any modern group (no scores higher than 85 in similarity map).

    But it shows that there was a genetic "Nordic-shift" in Orkney Islands very long before the Viking Age.

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    Wow, the earlier one was really Neolithic farmer. I wouldn't imagine Orkney would be good farming country, maybe they switched to fishing. And it bears out the population replacement; the Bronze Age guy is much more similar to current area populations.

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    Neolithic farmers looked after animals too. just because they wasnt drinking milk that does not mean they had no animals at all.
    Thats why they were shipped in in the first place :)

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    The early bronze age Orcadian K13 is very modern indeed. Here is mine; not so different....

    Kit T180809

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 48.86
    2 Baltic 26.34
    3 West_Med 12.38
    4 West_Asian 6.55
    5 East_Med 3.3
    6 South_Asian 2.1
    7 Northeast_African 0.34
    8 Amerindian 0.07
    9 Oceanian 0.05

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Danish 2.28
    2 North_Dutch 2.6
    3 North_German 2.95
    4 Orcadian 3.62
    5 Irish 4.25
    6 Southeast_English 4.35
    7 Norwegian 4.41
    8 West_Scottish 5.11
    9 Southwest_English 5.67
    10 Swedish 5.84
    11 South_Dutch 7.22
    12 West_German 8.01
    13 Austrian 11.72
    14 North_Swedish 11.78
    15 East_German 11.79
    16 French 13.35
    17 Hungarian 16.32
    18 Southwest_Finnish 19.55
    19 Spanish_Cataluna 20.76
    20 South_Polish 21.25

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    Quote Originally Posted by I1a3_Young View Post
    Nice comparison. The bronze age sample looks surprisingly modern, but this is before supposed Germanic migration. I would say this is very likely evidence of Germanic/Scandinavian presence on the Isles earlier than previously thought.

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    Curiously on the map I see a W-Breton at 81 ?!? he is not so close to Swedes and Norwegians, only to Danes and North Sea people. An explanation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post
    Curiously on the map I see a W-Breton at 81 ?!? he is not so close to Swedes and Norwegians, only to Danes and North Sea people. An explanation?
    I think Danes have some Celtic admixture, this tribe was a Celtic enclave in Jutland (similar to Galatians who were a Celtic enclave in Anatolia):

    http://www.davidkfaux.org/Cimbri-Chronology.pdf

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    So what could explain the BA sample's differentation?

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    1 99.3% Danish + 0.7% Pima @ 0.74
    2 99.4% Danish + 0.6% Karitiana @ 0.74
    3 99.3% Danish + 0.7% North_Amerindian @ 0.75
    4 99.3% Danish + 0.7% Mayan @ 0.76

    Wow what could this possibly mean? A sporadic BA contact of the Orkney islands (or of the ancestors of that individual - possibly in Scandinavia?) with ANE+ENA Siberians or maybe with Greenlanders (which also started to be peopled by North American natives around 2500 B.C.)? Or is it just an artifact of a slightly higher than average (for modern populations) ANE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygorcs View Post
    1 99.3% Danish + 0.7% Pima @ 0.74
    2 99.4% Danish + 0.6% Karitiana @ 0.74
    3 99.3% Danish + 0.7% North_Amerindian @ 0.75
    4 99.3% Danish + 0.7% Mayan @ 0.76

    Wow what could this possibly mean? A sporadic BA contact of the Orkney islands (or of the ancestors of that individual - possibly in Scandinavia?) with ANE+ENA Siberians or maybe with Greenlanders (which also started to be peopled by North American natives around 2500 B.C.)? Or is it just an artifact of a slightly higher than average (for modern populations) ANE?
    The 'amerindianlike' is very low: either noise or some north-siberian already present among Scandinavians at those time, what I think BTW. But it recall me the high level (later) of Y-Q among "British" Vikings (Orkney and Sth-Liverpool region). Maybe coincidence here? It may concerne another thread but this N-Breton (the closest to the Orcadian) put me to think in the curiously high presence of Y-R1b-U106 todate in North Brittany and in Wales (in Wales it seems people spoke of non-common clades) and in East England BEFORE the Anglo-Saxons era. Some archeologists spoke too of possible traces of "Germanics" people in east England (Yorksh) at IA...
    Maybe the West and East Isles phenomenon has nothing to do one with another? But I remember the "Great Tumuli" period in N-Brittany, close to Wessex Culture, so after the BB times, with evident contacts with the Rhine mouth in the Netherlands. Y-U106 (and some Y-1) from this time? Some skeletons of 'northern types' in Brittany.
    Could it be the tail effects of the trades/exchanges launching of the BB people, who was in contact with individual tombs and CWC people in the Netherlands?

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    The Bronze Age Orcadian is consistent with earlier Irish samples, which are R1b-L21. I would estimate that their ancestors had moved across the North Sea by at least 2,000 BC, or possibly quite some time before then.

    The Irish samples look like an autosomal mix with Western Corded Ware people, rather than with the Neolithic population - similar to Scandinavia, where there are further signs of R1b-Corded Ware mixing. Perhaps unlike Central Germany in the late third millennium BC, where there was an apparent R1b Bell Beaker wipe-out of Corded Ware, which itself had already wiped out much of the Neolithic population.

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    Is I2981 male or female?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I1a3_Young View Post
    Is I2981 male or female?

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    I downloaded the Ychr BAM from NCBI. I'll post a chart of the reads later and double check that I didn't grab the wrong sample. Edit, I did, which I suspected when I got the same result as the other one already posted. Sorry.

    I have verified that sample I2630 is the following

    I2-M423 +

    Based on 1 positive read for P37 (C) and 6 positive reads for M423 (A).

    I2 L158 G 5 Ancestral
    I2 M423 A 6 Derived
    I2 S2639 no read
    I2 CTS595 no read
    I2 L1498 no read
    I2 L621 no read
    I2 Y12070 no read
    I2 Y12072 no read
    I2 Y12074 no read
    I2 CTS10936 T 3 Ancestral
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