Living DNA results - Aegean?

[Nikola746]

Hi there, this is my first message on the board.

I need some help to interprete my high Aegean % after the living dna test

Both of my parents are Serbian without any mixture that we know.

Living DNA results :

West Balkans 48.4%
Aegean 30.3%
Baltics 9.8%
Finland and Western Russia 8.3%
Kurdish 2.1%
Iran 1.1%

Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle


# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.75
2 North_Atlantic 21.09
3 West_Med 17.31
4 East_Med 13.89
5 West_Asian 8.50
6 Red_Sea 1.28
7 East_Asian 1.01


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Lithuanian 5.045152

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++
1 Cyprian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian 4.797873
2 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Ukrainian 4.860824
3 Cyprian + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian 4.905025
4 Bulgarian + Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian 4.910593
5 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Southwest_Russian 4.920239
6 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Lithuanian + Moldavian 4.927844
7 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian 4.933479
8 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian_Belgorod 4.940808
9 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian 4.960651
10 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Lithuanian 4.980927




Thank you for your help!
Regards,


Niko

[Angela]

Hi there, this is my first message on the board.

I need some help to interprete my high Aegean % after the living dna test

Both of my parents are Serbian without any mixture that we know.

Living DNA results :

West Balkans 48.4%
Aegean 30.3%
Baltics 9.8%
Finland and Western Russia 8.3%
Kurdish 2.1%
Iran 1.1%

Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle


# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.75
2 North_Atlantic 21.09
3 West_Med 17.31
4 East_Med 13.89
5 West_Asian 8.50
6 Red_Sea 1.28
7 East_Asian 1.01


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Lithuanian 5.045152

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++
1 Cyprian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian 4.797873
2 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Ukrainian 4.860824
3 Cyprian + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian 4.905025
4 Bulgarian + Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian 4.910593
5 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Southwest_Russian 4.920239
6 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Lithuanian + Moldavian 4.927844
7 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian 4.933479
8 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian_Belgorod 4.940808
9 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian 4.960651
10 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Lithuanian 4.980927




Thank you for your help!
Regards,


Niko

I think your 2 population split is probably the closest to reality in terms of "proximate" populations.

The "Aegean" is part of the make up of the "Thessalian" like ancestry.

All of this is very ancient; nothing to do with recent ancestry.

[Pan]

Hi there, this is my first message on the board.

I need some help to interprete my high Aegean % after the living dna test

Both of my parents are Serbian without any mixture that we know.

Living DNA results :

West Balkans 48.4%
Aegean 30.3%
Baltics 9.8%
Finland and Western Russia 8.3%
Kurdish 2.1%
Iran 1.1%

Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle


# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.75
2 North_Atlantic 21.09
3 West_Med 17.31
4 East_Med 13.89
5 West_Asian 8.50
6 Red_Sea 1.28
7 East_Asian 1.01


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Lithuanian 5.045152

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++
1 Cyprian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian 4.797873
2 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Ukrainian 4.860824
3 Cyprian + Estonian_Polish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian 4.905025
4 Bulgarian + Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian 4.910593
5 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Southwest_Russian 4.920239
6 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Lithuanian + Moldavian 4.927844
7 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian 4.933479
8 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian_Belgorod 4.940808
9 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian 4.960651
10 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Lithuanian 4.980927




Thank you for your help!
Regards,


Niko

Niko,

In case it makes you feel any better, both my parents are Greek without any mixture that we know of, and my Living DNA results were as follows:

Aegean 41.7%
East Balkans 37%
Tuscany 13.3%
Iberian Peninsula 6.8%
North Turkey 1.1%

where East Balkans "spans across present day Romania, Bulgaria and parts of Moldova and Serbia" :)

My admixture as per Eurogenes K-13 and the 2- and 4-populations approximations of the corresponding 4-Ancestors Oracle are as follows:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.13
2 Baltic 19.80
3 North_Atlantic 19.50
4 West_Med 17.71
5 West_Asian 13.98
6 Oceanian 1.31
7 Red_Sea 1.27

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Central_Greek @ 4.337923


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Cyprian + Romanian @ 3.264500
2 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Cyprian + Serbian @ 3.307408
3 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Romanian + Romanian @ 3.383152
4 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Cyprian @ 3.386569
5 Bulgarian + Cyprian + South_Italian + South_Polish @ 3.500030
6 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Cyprian + South_Polish @ 3.555445
7 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Romanian + Serbian @ 3.695211
8 Cyprian + Romanian + South_Italian + South_Polish @ 3.706409
9 Cyprian + Romanian + Romanian + Romanian @ 3.707045
10 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian @ 3.744704
11 Bulgarian + Cyprian + South_Italian + Ukrainian @ 3.746561
12 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Serbian @ 3.779082
13 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Italian_Abruzzo + South_Polish @ 3.832829
14 Cyprian + Romanian + South_Italian + Ukrainian @ 3.837368
15 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Polish + South_Italian @ 3.847272
16 Bulgarian + Cyprian + East_Sicilian + South_Polish @ 3.850874
17 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Italian_Abruzzo + Ukrainian @ 3.856731
18 Bulgarian + Croatian + Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly @ 3.882002
19 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Cyprian + Ukrainian @ 3.893455
20 Central_Greek + Cyprian + Romanian + South_Polish @ 3.894171

[Nikola746]

Geia sou pan,
Thank you for your reply.

East Balkan may also represent the north east of Greece close to Bulgaria and Turkey maybe.

But the most surprising is your almost 8% Iberian! That's a lot for a Greek.

From which part are you from?

[Pan]

Yes, indeed; I was surprised by this one too!
Actually what makes it even more interesting is that even in the Cautious mode of Living DNA the 6.8% for Iberian Peninsula persists.
I've got four (4) theories already:
1) Parts of Greece, and more importantly in my case, parts of Central Greece (where my mother comes from - my father comes from Thessaly) where occupied by "the Franks" in the 13th, 14th and first half of 15th century. First the French, then, most importantly in our case, the Catalans, and last the Florentines occupied East Central Greece (Duchy of Athens and Duchy of Neopatra)
2) There where a few Jews in cities in Thessaly, especially Trikala. However, my single population matches do not produce any Sephardic Jew affinity
3) Vlachs (this pertains mostly to the Thessaly side). Vlach language is a Romance language akin to Romanian. Vlachs could well be Greek stock who adopted Latin in the Roman times or Roman soldiers that settled in the Balkans (most likely it's a bit of both). This could include Roman soldiers originating in Spain.
4) Something very ancient (my Y-haplogroup is I-M223, I-L701 which is pre-neolithic hunter-gatherer). It might be LGM-refugia DNA.

[Pan]

My Eurogenes K36:
Population
Italian 20.30 Pct
East_Med 10.65 Pct
Iberian 9.47 Pct
East_Central_Euro 9.38 Pct
East_Balkan 7.99 Pct
Near_Eastern 7.20 Pct
North_Caucasian 6.04 Pct
North_Atlantic 5.58 Pct
Central_Euro 5.57 Pct
Eastern_Euro 4.67 Pct
West_Caucasian 4.31 Pct
West_Med 4.29 Pct
Armenian 2.73 Pct
Basque 0.88 Pct
Arabian 0.55 Pct
Oceanian 0.34 Pct

[Pan]

Since we are at the Iberian thing, and as per Eurogenes K36, some of my chromosomes are plurality Iberian... :)

Chromosome 18: 27.7%
Chromosome 11: 24.6%
Chromosome 13: 17.9%

Also: Chromosome 8: 21.1% Basque (!)

[bigsnake49]

I have you beat Pan:

Population Amerindian - Arabian - Armenian 5.41 Pct Basque 0.18 Pct Central_African - Central_Euro 8.81 Pct East_African - East_Asian - East_Balkan 5.98 Pct East_Central_Asian - East_Central_Euro 6.56 Pct East_Med 12.34 Pct Eastern_Euro 5.69 Pct Fennoscandian 4.11 Pct French 3.36 Pct Iberian 10.38 Pct Indo-Chinese - Italian 20.56 Pct Malayan - Near_Eastern 2.32 Pct North_African 0.39 Pct North_Atlantic 0.32 Pct North_Caucasian 6.81 Pct North_Sea 0.46 Pct Northeast_African - Oceanian - Omotic 0.34 Pct Pygmy - Siberian - South_Asian - South_Central_Asian - South_Chinese - Volga-Ural - West_African - West_Caucasian 2.41 Pct West_Med 3.56 Pct

[brick]

I need some help to interprete my high Aegean % after the living dna test

It's Eastern Mediterranean ancestry in Serbians. Nothing surprising in your results except that maybe 30% is really a lot but this is due to the usual lack of accuracy of LivingDNA.