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    I just saw this. Sorry if I'm intruding, but despite some additional "east med" in Sardinians, they have a lot of WHG compared to the Anatolian farmers. I thought everyone knew that.

    Of course, it may vary depending on which Sardinians you're considering. I don't think the academics use the Sardinian samples which include people from all over the island, including coastal areas of the southwest where you had Phoenician settlements. I may be wrong, but I thought they still use the highland settlement samples taken originally by Luca Cavalli/Sforza, which are the most "isolated" and have the most WHG.

    If that's the case, why would anyone expect them to be "east" of Anatolian farmers?


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    There is a lot of flaws in this calculators, that's for sure. Autosomal DNA estimations are quite tricky but i think we are going in the right direction. Perhaps, upcoming calculators will be more stable.

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    Sorry but I couldn't care less about "being east or west", it's irrelevant, a PCA is a data visualisation tool that depends a lot on its input..and yes, shrinkage can be an issue when projecting samples onto a PCA, there was a paper on that topic just a few months ago. What is clear is that Sardinians have BA EastMed-like ancestry, of that there's no question, that's why I upvoted his post, if you care so much about internet points.

    No idea why you bolded and caps my name, that was very odd. As is you making these sort of questions on an unrelated topic in a whole different forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    Sorry but I couldn't care less about "being east or west", it's irrelevant, a PCA is a data visualisation tool that depends a lot on its input..and yes, shrinkage can be an issue when projecting samples onto a PCA, there was a paper on that topic just a few months ago. What is clear is that Sardinians have BA EastMed-like ancestry, of that there's no question, that's why I upvoted his post, if you care so much about internet points.
    No idea why you bolded and caps my name, that was very odd. As is you making these sort of questions on an unrelated topic in a whole different forum.
    I don't care if you care. It was a weak diversion to undermine the credibility of the points I was making. That is what you people do on Anthrogenica. I don't think moderators should be sycophantic shills for individual users. I think it matters when it is used to try to refute the credibility of academic papers. That is complete sophistry, and conspiratorial. The facts I presented are iron-clad. You people promote pseudoscience, in contradiction to what the papers say. It is a FACT that sardinians are west of Anatolian_N, it has nothing to do with opinion. They plot west of them despite the existence of iran-like ancestry in them.
    The main point is the eurogenes is an inferior calculator for analyzing southern europeans, because of projection bias towards eastern europeans. You might as well use ethiohelix k10 on gedmatch...

    Whenever I press you people to substantiate your claims, you dodge it. I asked Davidski to present an academic PCA which shows modern sardinians, east of Anatolian_N, I am met with silence. Perhaps you can show us one, Ruderico.
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    I don't even know you and you're all aggressively attacking, this is all very puerile. You're even undermining your a topic on your own forum because of some personal vendetta/agenda. I have no desire nor patience to discuss anything with in these contidions. You may just delete my account. Goodbye

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Whenever I press you people to substantiate your claims, you dodge it. I asked Davidski to present an academic PCA which shows modern sardinians, east of Anatolian_N, I am met with silence. Perhaps you can show us one, Ruderico.
    See what I mean?

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    Maybe if you didn't behave like a spoiled child I'd bother discussing anything, but that is clearly not the case, attacks are the norm, I see. I won't post here again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    Maybe if you didn't behave like a spoiled child I'd bother discussing anything, but that is clearly not the case, attacks are the norm, I see. I won't post here again.
    You might as well evade the request, because the PCA does not exist.

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    Well, I certainly wasn't attacking him, so why didn't he up vote MY post pointing out all the western Hunter gatherer in Sardinians, I mean considering that he apparently up voted a Davidski post pointing out a fact about Sardinian genetics?

    Btw, since it seems it wasn't a pleasant exchange, did they let him insult you? I've been told before that the rules enforced against everyone else there don't apply to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Well, I certainly wasn't attacking him, so why didn't he up vote MY post pointing out all the western Hunter gatherer in Sardinians, I mean considering that he apparently up voted a Davidski post pointing out a fact about Sardinian genetics?
    Btw, since it seems it wasn't a pleasant exchange, did they let him insult you? I've been told before that the rules enforced against everyone else there don't apply to him.
    Yeah, I am allowed to be insulted by Davidski with no repercussion to him. As soon as I press him to back up his claims, the conversation is shut down. Now that I ask Ruderico to produce the PCA, he wants to leave.

    Everyone knows the type, people that play "victim", in order to evade having to do something they can't, or don't want to do.

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    @Ruderico, don't blame me, because Davidski created this situation. You wanted to back him up, you have the opportunity to prove me wrong. I am a reasonable and fair person, that always defers to the studies. If one can point to an academic PCA that shows sardinians east of Anatolian_N, I will except it. Until then, I maintain my position. That is not an "attack".

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