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Yes, of course, there must still be a lot to discover. Every week I feel from a different place with so much calculator.
Ygorcs, Reconquista started in 12th century? Where do you read that? 10 years after Muslim rule Reconquista has been started, in 722, and in 740 almost a quarter of Iberia was not under Muslim rule... Muslims are not an explanation to the presence of Berber admixture in the northwestern part of Iberia. Bishops of Lugo, Iria Flavia and Bretoña in Galicia were never interrupted like others in Braga, Astorga, Dumio... and there are Berber admixture in northern part of Galicia and Asturias, so the explanation has to be another one.
Of course I referred to the Reconquista of the parts of Iberia that were indeed under long Muslim rule, not those that were simply invaded and soon freed. After the initial decades of invasion, there was eventually a certain stability, but that started to crumble rapidly around 1100 B.C., and by 1300 most of Iberia was not under Andalusi Muslim rule.
As for the Berber admixture in the northwestern part of Iberia, that is really the hardest part to explain, and of course I do not think all of the North African admixture came with Al-Andalus (Roman Africa was certainly full of Romanized and not-so-Romanized Berbers, and they lived under the same empire with Iberians for centuries), but I also think it must be rather complicated to explain exactly what demographic movements happened after the Late Antiquity because of all the intensive migrations into and within Iberia.
Isn't it possible that, given that the western part of Iberia was the first to be fully and solidly "reconquered" (Portugal had basically defined once and for all its present borders by the early 14th century), some of the Berber-admixed people there were the first to fully assimilate and Christianize successfully avoiding eventual persecution because they blended with the native population soon enough, at a time (the High Middle Ages) when the hostility toward former Muslims and Jews was a lot lower than in the Early Modern Era?
That would help explain the higher than average Berber admixture in Galicia/Northern Portugal: many Berber-admixed people there would've become part of the local populace, with no clear ethnic distinction, since long before the persecutions and expulsions, whereas the society in modern Spain might've been more fractured and ethnically divided. Thus the cleaveages (genetic ones, too) between people could've made it easier to "get rid" of the Berber and Arab admixture than in the western part of Iberia, and subsequent movements (which in Iberia were clearly in a north-south direction or vice-versa) accounted for the rest of the story.
The expelled descendants that today are in North Africa have a memory and those who had stayed in the peninsula would have lost it? He knows that there are people who still keep the key to his house and that there are laws that even give them Spanish nationality. If they had stayed a large amount they would not have been lonely wolves where in a few years their ancestry could be lost, we talked about families more than anything and then there would be memories, oral tradition something like it happens in the descendants of the current expelled, and there is not . You grow and if you ask for some building they tell you: that was of the Moors or that the Moors did, in the past and referring to other people, it is the only thing there is, nothing more. Therefore I keep my hypothesis refuted by the data that you already know.
But he was the king of Crimean Goths, right? He was buried with the crown of Kerch after all.
KER1 GEDmatch Genesis kit number - MD6611828
Maybe he was the king who ruled over remnants of Bosporans, married to a Gothic princess?
If he was the ruler of actual Goths then it means that Goths elected an ethnically foreign king:
Eurogenes K13:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.97
2 West_Asian 24.07
3 North_Atlantic 18.23
4 West_Med 13.87
5 Baltic 8.01
6 Red_Sea 1.86
7 Amerindian 1.75
8 Siberian 1.14
9 Oceanian 0.09
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 11.11
2 Italian_Abruzzo 11.33
3 South_Italian 12.02
4 East_Sicilian 12.3
5 Turkish 13.54
6 Ashkenazi 14.07
7 West_Sicilian 14.86
8 Sephardic_Jewish 15.19
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.24
10 Italian_Jewish 16.52
11 Cyprian 17.16
12 Algerian_Jewish 17.83
13 Lebanese_Muslim 17.85
14 Azeri 17.95
15 Tunisian_Jewish 18.38
16 Tuscan 18.87
17 Libyan_Jewish 19.34
18 Syrian 19.93
19 Assyrian 20.07
20 Armenian 20.43
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.6% Italian_Jewish + 35.4% Tabassaran @ 5.15
2 68.2% Assyrian + 31.8% Southeast_English @ 5.38
3 63.9% Italian_Jewish + 36.1% Lezgin @ 5.45
4 64.1% Assyrian + 35.9% West_German @ 5.48
5 65.2% Assyrian + 34.8% South_Dutch @ 5.61
6 69% Assyrian + 31% Southwest_English @ 5.65
7 68.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 31.5% Kurdish @ 5.66
8 69.2% Assyrian + 30.8% Orcadian @ 5.71
9 63.3% Assyrian + 36.7% French @ 5.72
10 72.4% South_Italian + 27.6% Lezgin @ 5.82
11 69.7% Assyrian + 30.3% West_Scottish @ 5.84
12 63.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 36.3% Azeri @ 5.91
13 69.5% Assyrian + 30.5% Irish @ 5.93
14 73.2% South_Italian + 26.8% Tabassaran @ 5.98
15 63.9% Italian_Jewish + 36.1% Chechen @ 5.98
16 69.1% Assyrian + 30.9% North_Dutch @ 6.06
17 67.2% Sephardic_Jewish + 32.8% Tabassaran @ 6.1
18 67.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 32.8% Armenian @ 6.12
19 69% Assyrian + 31% Danish @ 6.18
20 76.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 23.8% Abhkasian @ 6.21
Eurogenes K15:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 27.53
2 East_Med 25.61
3 Atlantic 14.99
4 North_Sea 11.57
5 West_Med 8.46
6 Eastern_Euro 3.46
7 Baltic 3.15
8 Red_Sea 3.02
9 Amerindian 1.48
10 Siberian 0.72
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 11.83
2 Italian_Abruzzo 13.36
3 Central_Greek 13.84
4 East_Sicilian 14.97
5 South_Italian 15.08
6 Azeri 15.17
7 Ashkenazi 15.61
8 Greek 17.31
9 West_Sicilian 17.43
10 Armenian 17.69
11 Sephardic_Jewish 17.9
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.96
13 Kurdish 18.22
14 Georgian_Jewish 18.41
15 Italian_Jewish 18.59
16 Lebanese_Muslim 19.04
17 Assyrian 19.16
18 Kumyk 19.29
19 Tuscan 19.6
20 Cyprian 19.63
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.7% Armenian + 30.3% Irish @ 5.09
2 69% Armenian + 31% Southeast_English @ 5.1
3 70% Armenian + 30% West_Scottish @ 5.24
4 66.2% Armenian + 33.8% South_Dutch @ 5.31
5 69% Armenian + 31% Southwest_English @ 5.36
6 68.2% Georgian_Jewish + 31.8% Southeast_English @ 5.51
7 68.1% Georgian_Jewish + 31.9% Southwest_English @ 5.6
8 67.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 32.4% Georgian @ 5.61
9 68.9% Georgian_Jewish + 31.1% Irish @ 5.61
10 68.1% Armenian + 31.9% North_German @ 5.61
11 65% Armenian + 35% French @ 5.7
12 69.3% Georgian_Jewish + 30.7% West_Scottish @ 5.74
13 70.4% Armenian + 29.6% Orcadian @ 5.76
14 70.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 29.2% Abhkasian @ 5.76
15 69.6% Armenian + 30.4% Danish @ 5.82
16 65.4% Georgian_Jewish + 34.6% South_Dutch @ 5.83
17 69.6% Georgian_Jewish + 30.4% Orcadian @ 5.93
18 69.9% Armenian + 30.1% North_Dutch @ 5.97
19 64.1% Georgian_Jewish + 35.9% French @ 6.11
20 65% Armenian + 35% Spanish_Cataluna @ 6.2
I took another look at the yDna of the samples because they're also listed in the Krause paper on the Anatolian Neolithic.
Is there a resurgence of G2a clades in southeastern Spain in the Copper Age, or was there always perhaps more G2a there.
I ask because copper metallurgy was brought to Spain. Could G2a men from the Balkans have brought it? I've always thought Otzi descended from a later wave too, one with more eastern ancestry.
I wonder how, where and when these steppe people got immunity against the plague, and what it was they had which the neolithic people didn't have, that made them replace the male population.
The archeology didn't find signs of violence.
Yes, well, sorry to disappoint, half Alp, but as the authors point out, there are no such sites so far.
There's violence between late neolithic groups when scarcity hit, there's lots of violence on the steppe, there's that very large battle in northern Europe, but no sign so far of mass violence by the newcomers against indigenous Europeans of central Europe or Ibera.
Well, it seems to be the case with a lot of the young men interested in pop gen.
You know, like eurogenes with his "blonde cowboys of the steppe", who were by no means mostly blonde and didn't "ride" or fight from horseback until long after the periods we're discussing.
I do distinctly get the feeling, indeed. sometimes it's stated explicity, that they're quite fond of, as I sometimes say, this Conan the Barbarian view of history. Women are bound to take a different view, yes? The "rape", really, "theft" of the Sabine women doesn't look like a lot of fun, for example.Some of them might have quite liked their husbands, you know?
If it were me I would have put some hemlock in their stew.
Plus, if there are uglier, less appealing men than Arnold Schwatzeneggger, it's hard for me to think of one at the moment.
If the shoe doesn't fit, however, by all means don't wear it. Good to know.
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