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    Resurgence of Neolithic Britons

    In Olalde 2018 Supplementary Info we can clearly see that British Neolithic ancestry increased over time after the invasion.

    Tables S9-S11 give the following averages:

    Copper-Early Bronze Britain = 96-95% Beaker ancestry, 4-5% Neolithic British ancestry
    Middle Bronze Age Britain = 90-89% Beaker ancestry, 10-11% Neolithic British ancestry
    Late Bronze Age Britain = 85-86% Beaker ancestry, 15-14% Neolithic British ancestry

    So almost certainly some pockets / enclaves of Neolithic population survived initial Beaker invasion and later mixed back in.

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    Individuals with above average (1/5 to 2/5) levels of Neolithic British ancestry:

    1. Copper-Early Bronze Age:

    The majority of individuals in this early period had 0% British Neolithic ancestry.

    Average in this period was 4-5% Neolithic British, some individuals had more:

    I5379 Beaker Complex England - 20% Neolithic British
    I2416 Beaker Complex England - 41% Neolithic British
    I2568 Beaker Complex Scotland - 24% Neolithic British
    I1767 Beaker Complex England - 26% Neolithic British
    I2462 Early Bronze Age England - 35% Neolithic British
    I5515 Early Bronze Age Scotland - 19% Neolithic British
    I5516 Early Bronze Age Scotland - 18% Neolithic British

    2. Middle Bronze Age Britain:

    Average in this period was 10-11%, but some individuals had 1/5 or more:

    I7576 Middle Bronze Age England - 20% Neolithic British
    I2458 Middle Bronze Age England - 21% Neolithic British
    I2655 Middle Bronze Age Scotland - 19% Neolithic British

    3. Late Bronze Age Britain:

    Average in this period was 15-14%, but some individuals had 1/5 or more:

    I2656 Late Bronze Age Scotland - 25% Neolithic British
    I2861 Late Bronze Age Scotland - 17% Neolithic British
    I2859 Late Bronze Age Scotland - 18% Neolithic British

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Individuals with above average (1/5 to 2/5) levels of Neolithic British ancestry:

    1. Copper-Early Bronze Age:

    The majority of individuals in this early period had 0% British Neolithic ancestry.

    Average in this period was 4-5% Neolithic British, some individuals had more:

    I5379 Beaker Complex England - 20% Neolithic British
    I2416 Beaker Complex England - 41% Neolithic British
    I2568 Beaker Complex Scotland - 24% Neolithic British
    I1767 Beaker Complex England - 26% Neolithic British
    I2462 Early Bronze Age England - 35% Neolithic British
    I5515 Early Bronze Age Scotland - 19% Neolithic British
    I5516 Early Bronze Age Scotland - 18% Neolithic British

    2. Middle Bronze Age Britain:

    Average in this period was 10-11%, but some individuals had 1/5 or more:

    I7576 Middle Bronze Age England - 20% Neolithic British
    I2458 Middle Bronze Age England - 21% Neolithic British
    I2655 Middle Bronze Age Scotland - 19% Neolithic British

    3. Late Bronze Age Britain:

    Average in this period was 15-14%, but some individuals had 1/5 or more:

    I2656 Late Bronze Age Scotland - 25% Neolithic British
    I2861 Late Bronze Age Scotland - 17% Neolithic British
    I2859 Late Bronze Age Scotland - 18% Neolithic British
    Very good info.

    The modern British have more "European farmer" like ancestry, so it must have come with later population movements.



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    I2462 Bronze Age England (dated to 2128-1891 calBCE) with 35% of Neolithic British ancestry:



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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 31.41
    2 North_Sea 28.27
    3 West_Med 21.28
    4 Baltic 9.08
    5 Eastern_Euro 6.66
    6 Red_Sea 1.37
    7 Amerindian 1.07
    8 West_Asian 0.79
    9 East_Med 0.06

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 French 9.72
    2 Spanish_Cantabria 10.2
    3 Southwest_French 10.53
    4 Spanish_Cataluna 10.74
    5 South_Dutch 11.34
    6 Spanish_Galicia 11.52
    7 Southwest_English 11.61
    8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.69
    9 Portuguese 12.3
    10 Spanish_Aragon 13.05
    11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.31
    12 Spanish_Extremadura 13.35
    13 Southeast_English 13.47
    14 Spanish_Murcia 13.48
    15 Spanish_Valencia 13.71
    16 West_German 14.84
    17 Irish 15.05
    18 Spanish_Andalucia 15.48
    19 West_Scottish 15.64
    20 North_German 16.09

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 67.8% Southwest_French + 32.2% West_Norwegian @ 5.31
    2 53.2% Southwest_French + 46.8% Southwest_English @ 5.33
    3 63.1% Southwest_French + 36.9% Orcadian @ 5.47
    4 54.3% Spanish_Cantabria + 45.7% Southwest_English @ 5.51
    5 69% Spanish_Cantabria + 31% West_Norwegian @ 5.53
    6 67% Southwest_French + 33% Norwegian @ 5.68
    7 68.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 31.9% Norwegian @ 5.73
    8 64.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 35.5% Orcadian @ 5.79
    9 63.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 36.5% West_Scottish @ 5.89
    10 62.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 37.5% Irish @ 5.92
    11 62.4% Southwest_French + 37.6% West_Scottish @ 5.94
    12 64.9% Spanish_Cantabria + 35.1% North_Dutch @ 5.94
    13 53.4% French_Basque + 46.6% Norwegian @ 5.94
    14 63.8% Southwest_French + 36.2% North_Dutch @ 5.95
    15 58.2% Southwest_French + 41.8% Southeast_English @ 6
    16 70% Spanish_Cantabria + 30% Swedish @ 6.03
    17 59.4% Spanish_Cantabria + 40.6% Southeast_English @ 6.03
    18 61.5% Southwest_French + 38.5% Irish @ 6.05
    19 69.1% Southwest_French + 30.9% Swedish @ 6.12
    20 54.8% French_Basque + 45.2% West_Norwegian @ 6.17

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    I2416 Boscombe Bowman (in the study he is 59% Continental Beaker + 41% Neolithic British):

    https://www.wessexarch.co.uk/our-work/boscombe-bowmen

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boscombe_Bowmen

    His Y-DNA was R1b1a1a2a1a and his mtDNA was K1b1a1.

    GEDmatch Genesis kit number - GZ7045263

    Eurogenes K15:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 29.82
    2 North_Sea 25.33
    3 West_Med 23.44
    4 Baltic 11.39
    5 Eastern_Euro 6.23
    6 Siberian 1.47
    7 Northeast_African 1.06
    8 East_Med 0.83
    9 Amerindian 0.42
    10 Red_Sea 0.01

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Southwest_French 9.15
    2 Spanish_Cantabria 9.33
    3 Spanish_Cataluna 10.21
    4 Spanish_Galicia 10.88
    5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 10.94
    6 French 11.25
    7 Portuguese 11.54
    8 Spanish_Aragon 12.44
    9 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 12.67
    10 Spanish_Valencia 12.79
    11 Spanish_Extremadura 12.87
    12 Spanish_Murcia 12.93
    13 South_Dutch 13.28
    14 Spanish_Andalucia 14.14
    15 Southwest_English 14.6
    16 Southeast_English 16.43
    17 West_German 16.48
    18 French_Basque 16.74
    19 East_German 16.9
    20 North_Italian 17.5

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 76.2% Southwest_French + 23.8% West_Norwegian @ 6.21
    2 75.1% Southwest_French + 24.9% Norwegian @ 6.23
    3 76.2% Southwest_French + 23.8% Swedish @ 6.32
    4 77.6% Southwest_French + 22.4% North_Swedish @ 6.52
    5 67.2% Southwest_French + 32.8% Southwest_English @ 6.58
    6 74.2% Southwest_French + 25.8% North_Dutch @ 6.73
    7 76.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 23.5% Swedish @ 6.75
    8 75.7% Spanish_Cantabria + 24.3% Norwegian @ 6.76
    9 77.5% Spanish_Cantabria + 22.5% North_Swedish @ 6.77
    10 75% Southwest_French + 25% Orcadian @ 6.81
    11 77.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 22.9% West_Norwegian @ 6.85
    12 78.1% Spanish_Cantabria + 21.9% Southwest_Finnish @ 6.87
    13 80.3% Spanish_Cantabria + 19.7% Finnish @ 6.92
    14 82.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 17.2% Estonian @ 6.96
    15 75.3% Southwest_French + 24.7% Danish @ 7
    16 71.7% Southwest_French + 28.3% Southeast_English @ 7.03
    17 74.8% Southwest_French + 25.2% West_Scottish @ 7.04
    18 71.9% Southwest_French + 28.1% West_German @ 7.06
    19 74% Southwest_French + 26% Irish @ 7.06
    20 67.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 32.2% Southwest_English @ 7.1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    In Olalde 2018 Supplementary Info we can clearly see that British Neolithic ancestry increased over time after the invasion.

    Tables S9-S11 give the following averages:

    Copper-Early Bronze Britain = 96-95% Beaker ancestry, 4-5% Neolithic British ancestry
    Middle Bronze Age Britain = 90-89% Beaker ancestry, 10-11% Neolithic British ancestry
    Late Bronze Age Britain = 85-86% Beaker ancestry, 15-14% Neolithic British ancestry

    So almost certainly some pockets / enclaves of Neolithic population survived initial Beaker invasion and later mixed back in.
    I guess this is also the case on the continent, with some Neolithic pockets, like in my mother's case!

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...nnelbeaker-TRB!

    I guess this is the effect after the LN-EBA (BB) spread, the mingling within the neolithic hotspots......

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    I never believed that Neolithic people had been wiped out of Britain (or other people in other lands, as concerning Iberia). All depends on samples (geographically, culturally); the overruned people are not the ones who have the most eminent sepultures; and I think Bronze Age in Britain saw Celts coming from the continent, with also more Neolithic DNA heritage than northern BB's; not so surprising.

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    @Moesan and also among the area's of the Northern BB this phenomenon occured! (Steppe amount lowered HG/EEF amount raised again).

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