Hello everyone!

[BMW]

Hello Salento and zanipolo,

I heard back from Gareth earlier today:

"Hello Brian,

Thanks for getting in touch. CTS8489 and CTS8862 were both included in the SNP pack to maintain comparability with the older Geno 2.0 chip but until now they have been regarded as equivalent i.e. all T men tested either were positive for both or negative for both. You appear to be the first known example who has CTS8489+ and CTS8862-.
This is perfectly possible as the two SNPs are in different locations and almost certainly occurred several generations apart.
FTDNA's tree has a slightly different list of SNPs in this section and for some reason doesn't include CTS8489 (possibly this location is not covered by the Big Y test).
Further investigation is needed here to help bring the trees up to date."

[zanipolo]

Hello Salento and zanipolo,
I heard back from Gareth earlier today:
"Hello Brian,
Thanks for getting in touch. CTS8489 and CTS8862 were both included in the SNP pack to maintain comparability with the older Geno 2.0 chip but until now they have been regarded as equivalent i.e. all T men tested either were positive for both or negative for both. You appear to be the first known example who has CTS8489+ and CTS8862-.
This is perfectly possible as the two SNPs are in different locations and almost certainly occurred several generations apart.
FTDNA's tree has a slightly different list of SNPs in this section and for some reason doesn't include CTS8489 (possibly this location is not covered by the Big Y test).
Further investigation is needed here to help bring the trees up to date."

Gareth is very knowledgeable, ...........he runs the T and L projects................most likely because T and L where once one haplogroup
is your ancestor patrick in the T project?

[BMW]

zanipolo,
Yes, that is my Patrick Walsh (B23773)....born in Co. Carlow, Ireland.

[BMW]

Along with being negative for CTS8862....I am also "presumed negative" for CTS9984, BY28434, Z19944, Z19946, Z19953 and PH3117.

[BMW]

FTDNA now has my hg as CTS8489.....(and still negative for CTS8862).

[Muronormalo]

Hi my Name is Murat,
Im from Germany but my parents are from the black Sea region in Turkey. My grandpa came from ordu. I have also this haplogroup.
It's very rare and I think its etrusker who lived before the romans in north and Middle Italy.
Greets from Munich



QUOTE=BMW;570673]My name is Brian Walsh and I am new to Eupedia.
My Y-DNA haplogroup is T-M70 and I have Walsh 2nd cousins on 23andMe who were determined to be T-CTS3767 so I suspect I am, as well.
My Y-DNA111 from FTDNA shows that I have no matches from Wales and only two matches overall....one with the surname Welsh from Co. Westmeath, Ireland and one with the surname Walsh from Co. Waterford, Ireland. My Walsh family line is from Co. Carlow.
I am awaiting the results from the T-M184 SNP pack to see where that will take me.

Can anybody suggest a possible area of origin or reason for so few matches? Maybe a Non-Paternal Event?[/QUOTE]

[Pax Augusta]

Y-DNA T-CTS3767 most likely arrived with the first European farmers during the Neolithic period and is not exclusively related to the Etruscans (the Etruscans were an Iron Age civilisation), it could have been widespread in many civilisations between the Bronze and Iron Ages in Europe, whether they spoke Indo-European or Paleo-European languages. T-CTS3767 is widespread at low percentages throughout Europe, not only in southern Europe, but also in central and northern Europe.

Early European Farmers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_European_Farmers

T-CTS3767 on Y-Full

https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS3767*/

[TaktikatEMalet]

Isn't phoenician more likely than etruscan?