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    Where is this feature coming from? Gedmatch or something else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    That's right. I have both that and the newer one. Not a lot of difference, but some.

    I trust the 23andme results.


    Indeed,

    These are the results from my V 5 23andme Raw data. The difference is nearly indistinguishable from the combined raw data result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfalp View Post
    Where is this feature coming from? Gedmatch or something else?
    You have to input your Eurogenes K36 results into this website:

    http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/ancient.htm

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    Thanks Jovialis!

    I do i upload the results from Imgur to Eupedia? ( i'm new into all this... ) And alternatively, how can i keep the dimensions of the original picture instead of minimize?

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    @ Angela.
    Yes Angela. Poor women. What suffering to have to go through it in the name of a cultural standard of beauty and social status. It reminded me of the women giraffes of Thailand who lengthen their necks artificially, always periodically placing an extra ring between the rings that they wear their whole lives around their necks.



    @ halfalp
    Transcribe your results GEDmatch Eurogenes K36 using the follwing link, as said Jovialis in the reply above:
    http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/ancient.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfalp View Post
    Thanks Jovialis!

    I do i upload the results from Imgur to Eupedia? ( i'm new into all this... )
    You're welcome,

    I'd say that Imgur is ideal, because sometimes uploaded attachments do not function properly. You would need to upload the image on to your Imgur account, and copy and paste the BCCode text for the image into the body of your post.
    Last edited by Jovialis; 04-04-19 at 23:20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfalp View Post
    Thanks Jovialis!

    I do i upload the results from Imgur to Eupedia? ( i'm new into all this... ) And alternatively, how can i keep the dimensions of the original picture instead of minimize?
    Yes. After displaying the results you have to make one (or more than one) screenshot and send the images saved on your Pc or Tablet to Imgur and get an image link for later publication in the Eupedia forum.
    Note: Uncheck the "Retrieve remote file and reference locally" option that appear automatically selected in the Eupedia image window :)

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    What i deduce from my results is that i look high in CHG ancestry no? Btw, thanks for the hands up Duarte and Jovialis. :)

    Note: That's weird how much El Miron i have, more than Duarte and Carlos wich are Iberians.

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    @Jovialis
    I edited my old post with the new results matching your combined raw-data. :)

    The difference is only one or two points here and there.

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post571576

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    @ Angela.
    Yes Angela. Poor women. What suffering to have to go through it in the name of a cultural standard of beauty and social status. It reminded me of the women giraffes of Thailand who lengthen their necks artificially, always periodically placing an extra ring between the rings that they wear their whole lives around their necks.



    @ halfalp
    Transcribe your results GEDmatch Eurogenes K36 using the follwing link, as said Jovialis in the reply above:
    http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/ancient.htm
    I don't know if the "lotus feet" of China was worse. Apparently, the pain was excruciating for years, and the feet often atrophied and rotted. Still, could the head deformation thing make them retarded?

    What a choice!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Nice! It really is fascinating! They should re-make Troy starring us
    From right near where some of my husband's ancestors come from: Bronzi di Riace.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    From right near where some of my husband's ancestors come from: Bronzi di Riace.



    Btw, I see I'm at 74, so he is now the new King :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    @ Angela.
    Yes Angela. Poor women. What suffering to have to go through it in the name of a cultural standard of beauty and social status. It reminded me of the women giraffes of Thailand who lengthen their necks artificially, always periodically placing an extra ring between the rings that they wear their whole lives around their necks.



    @ halfalp
    Transcribe your results GEDmatch Eurogenes K36 using the follwing link, as said Jovialis in the reply above:
    http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/ancient.htm
    Im baffled that anyone would find a woman with the deformations found in those Bavarians attractive. I know everyone has their own standards but I think there's a limit. Also as Angela pointed out, the deformities might've impacted their intellectual capacity, which would've rendered them even less attractive
    mmmmmmmmm dooouuughhhnuuuutz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @Jovialis
    I edited my old post with the new results matching your combined raw-data. :)

    The difference is only one or two points here and there.

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post571576
    I see we also get fairly close to the one Ostrogoth KE1 sample. He must have been Southern European.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    Nice. :)

    But not sure he was from France or Spain. Maybe. However, his autosomal makeup resembles "modern" (!) North Spanish's and South French's. I'm not sure North Italians were the same those days, considering there were movements in Europe since 300 AD. We don't know either how people of Raeti stock looked like, for example, and apparently there were Raetian-speaking people in Northeastern Italy till ~3rd century AD. Raeti were related to Etruscans supposedly, and if that famous and controversial PCA is correct, Etruscans wouldn't be that different from modern Iberians.


    Indeed, the Roman Soldier belonged to Y haplogroup G-L42, typical of the Alps and surroundings. Switzerland, North Italy, SW Germany, Tyrol...
    FN2 shares a common patrilineal ancestor from 500 BC with a Swedish, a German and a South Italian.
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Z40854/

    I found this in blog comments and I think it's interesting.

    How the PCA of the Etruscans can be interpreted compared to Raveane et al. 2018 preprint.

    Etruscans seem North Italian-like and falling roughly into the NItaly clusters.



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    A Bulgarian result:



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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    Im baffled that anyone would find a woman with the deformations found in those Bavarians attractive. I know everyone has their own standards but I think there's a limit. Also as Angela pointed out, the deformities might've impacted their intellectual capacity, which would've rendered them even less attractive
    Hi davef,
    I agree with you that, from the vision of the ideal of feminine beauty that we have today in the twenty-first century these women would look terribly ugly and probably retarded mentally. But we do not know much about the culture of these medieval Bavarians, other than the fact that the cranial deformation of women should done represented some kind of social differentiation for them, otherwise this practice would not make sense and the deformed skulls would not have been found. I remember now that some tabloid sites even went so far as to say that they were extra-terrestrial skulls. Well, I do not know this ancient culture and I can only repeat what the authors of the article I transcribed said:
    ”In some societies reshaping the human skull has been seen as an ideal of beauty, while it may also have acted as a marker of status, nobility, or affiliation to a certain class or group”.
    Big hug :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Hi davef,
    I agree with you that, from the vision of the ideal of feminine beauty that we have today in the twenty-first century these women would look terribly ugly and probably retarded mentally. But we do not know much about the culture of these medieval Bavarians, other than the fact that the cranial deformation of women should done represented some kind of social differentiation for them, otherwise this practice would not make sense and the deformed skulls would not have been found. I remember now that some tabloid sites even went so far as to say that they were extra-terrestrial skulls. Well, I do not know this ancient culture and I can only repeat what the authors of the article I transcribed said:
    ”In some societies reshaping the human skull has been seen as an ideal of beauty, while it may also have acted as a marker of status, nobility, or affiliation to a certain class or group”.
    Big hug :)
    Thank you! Yes it may have been a status symbol of sorts but it's so mysterious how it became that way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Eurogenes V2 K15 Oracle
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Central_Greek 4.94


    Eurogenes V2 K15 Oracle-4
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Central_Greek @ 5.529039


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    # Population (source) Distance
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    Dodecad K12b Oracle-4
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 7.297379

    If there was a population from my specific area in these calculators, it would be the closest match. Pugliese are between Central Italy, Central Greece, and other Southern Italians. They're all pretty close to each other nonetheless.
    Actually you can check at K36 genetic similarity map your similarity with puglia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Dear friend Carlos.

    It seems that the Roman soldier was really Iberian. See these two posts extracted from BLOG linked below:
    http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/0...eriod.html?m=1

    POST 1:
    ---Germany_Roman:FN_2

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE”
    Spanish_Baleares / Spanish_Cataluna
    2.403037 / 2.657032
    Spanish_Murcia / Spanish_Cantabria
    2.766374 / 2.908718
    Spanish_Andalucia / Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    2.940393 / 3.080841
    Hungary_BA / Spanish_Aragon
    3.084510 / 3.128334

    POST 2:
    The Roman soldier was probably from Aquitaine in South France/North Spain. He clusters with modern Basque & south French.

    300 AD Germany (Roman Soldier) FN2

    GedMatch ID: Z061309



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    Quote Originally Posted by xri34 View Post
    Actually you can check at K36 genetic similarity map your similarity with puglia.
    Look at how the LACK of Data from Puglia and NO Abruzzo on the Map confuses “K36 genetic similarity”.
    two Max 80 in Rome & Greek Islands.
    Questionable Results imo.

    It looks like it is using Geographic Coordinates in relation with its INCOMPLETE Genetic Data, I should be in Puglia, located in the middle of the 2 Reds.



    on the mapping with K15 I end up in the middle of the Ocean. (I guess that’s where Atlantis used to be) lol
    Last edited by Salento; 05-04-19 at 05:07. Reason: Atlantis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Look at how the LACK of Data from Puglia and NO Abruzzo on the Map confuses “K36 genetic similarity”.
    two Max 80 in Rome & Greek Islands.
    Questionable Results imo.

    It looks like it is using Geographic Coordinates in relation with its INCOMPLETE Genetic Data, I should be in Puglia, located in the middle of the 2 Reds.



    on the mapping with K15 I end up in the middle of the Ocean. (I guess that’s where Atlantis used to be) lol
    Yes, this tool isn't all that accurate but it's good fun and not something to take literally. You're more than 79 percent Apulian! Add 21 percent to get a more realistic score!

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    It's funny how most of you ethnic Italians seems to have more match with Neolithic Europe, Mediterranean Metal Ages and Mediterranea in general. While i have huge matches with something Bell Beaker ancestry. But on the K36, my biggest score of like 18.something is Italy. How's that translating in real hypothesis?

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