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    Similarity rate with different ancient genomes













    Publica tu tasa de similitud con diferentes genomas antiguos.
    Last edited by Carlos; 05-04-19 at 19:37.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post










    I found this in Gedmatch, can you believe in this?
    Mine

    1)300 AD - Germany (Roman Soldier) FN2 80
    2)1,800 BC - Hungary (Maros) - Rise373 72
    3)1,200 BC - Hungary - BR2 66
    4)3,000 BC - Ireland - Ballinahatty 66
    5)500 AD - Bavaria - NW 54 65
    6)3,220 BC - Germany - Esperdstedt 63
    7)3,000 BC - Sweden - Gokhem2 62
    8)1,500 BC - Portugal - Torre Vehla 32032 62
    9)1,500 BC - Portugal - Monte Gato 62
    10)1,800 BC - Hungary (Maros) - Rise374 61
    11)1,500 BC - Portugal - Torre Vehla 3831 60





    https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17PI_1i-2BkZo0Wr_IWCI1DPUsilwnrbA?usp=sharing


    WOOHOO.
    I am 80% similar to a Roman soldier who invaded the ancient germania. Save the Empire. Save the Emperor. Save Caesar. LMAO.

    Hugs Carlos :)




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    ^^
    Woow

    Do you think the soldier could come from the south west of Iberia?

    I also have a 15 with the Egyptian mummy JK2911

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    ^^
    Woow

    Do you think the soldier could come from the south west of Iberia?

    I also have a 15 with the Egyptian mummy JK2911
    ^^
    We're almost at the same level in ancient Egypt. I have 14 of this same JK2911 mummy.
    I liked the idea of being a Roman soldier from the south-west of Iberia and who invaded the center of Europe. LOL.

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    It had to be turdetano descendant of the old tartessos and these in turn would go back to The Argar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    It had to be turdetano descendant of the old tartessos and these in turn would go back to The Argar.
    Dear friend Carlos.

    It seems that the Roman soldier was really Iberian. See these two posts extracted from BLOG linked below:
    http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/0...eriod.html?m=1

    POST 1:
    ---Germany_Roman:FN_2

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE”
    Spanish_Baleares / Spanish_Cataluna
    2.403037 / 2.657032
    Spanish_Murcia / Spanish_Cantabria
    2.766374 / 2.908718
    Spanish_Andalucia / Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    2.940393 / 3.080841
    Hungary_BA / Spanish_Aragon
    3.084510 / 3.128334

    POST 2:
    The Roman soldier was probably from Aquitaine in South France/North Spain. He clusters with modern Basque & south French.

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    (From “Gladiator”)

    Spaniard Roman General in .... ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)
    (cool dog too)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Dear friend Carlos.

    It seems that the Roman soldier was really Iberian. See these two posts extracted from BLOG linked below:
    http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/0...eriod.html?m=1

    POST 1:
    ---Germany_Roman:FN_2

    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE”
    Spanish_Baleares / Spanish_Cataluna
    2.403037 / 2.657032
    Spanish_Murcia / Spanish_Cantabria
    2.766374 / 2.908718
    Spanish_Andalucia / Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    2.940393 / 3.080841
    Hungary_BA / Spanish_Aragon
    3.084510 / 3.128334

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    The Roman soldier was probably from Aquitaine in South France/North Spain. He clusters with modern Basque & south French.

    Different places of Spain from North to South. The only one who could collect something like that would be Tartessos (Turdetania) where you know there were people from the north of Iberia, I think.

    So the similarity in this case may be from my mother's side.

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    Is this?


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    Yes :) ...

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    500 AD - Bavaria - STR 310: 71
    300 AD - Ostrogoth KE1: 66
    500 AD - Bavaria - NW 54: 66
    1,200 BC - Hungary - BR2: 64
    500 AD - Bavaria - STR 300: 64
    1,300 BC - Mycenaean - I9006: 63


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    From the individuals of intermediate skull size, one female (STR_310) exhibited the same southern European ancestry profile found in most other females with clear skull deformation"

    "Some females with ACD could be argued to demonstrate grave assemblages associated with an eastern context (STR_328, AEH_1), but others were not specific (NW_54)"

    "The only exceptions to this general pattern of northern/central European ancestry were the two women, STR_300 and STR_502, which were of a more southern ancestry associated with present day Greece and Turkey, respectively"

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    -- Gamba et al., "Genome flux and stasis in a five millennium transect of European prehistory", Nature Communications volume 5, Article number: 5257 (2014)


    Individual_ID Genotype_ID Other_ID Source Date Population_Label Location Country Latitude Longitude Sex Coverage Autosomal_SNPs mtDNA Y-chromosome
    I9006 I9006 Salamis31 1240K 1411-1262 cal BCE (3067 ± 25 BP, DEM-2905) Mycenaean Agia Kyriaki, Salamis Greece 37.97 23.50 F 1.387 361193 X2d
    ID Population PBlueEye PIntermediateEye PBrownEye PBlondHair PBrownHair PRedHair PBlackHair PLightHair PDarkHair Hair Color Eye Clor
    I9006 Mycenaean 0.0 (0.0) 1.1 (0.4) 98.9 (0.4) 8.7 (4.9) 59.9 (6.4) 1.8 (2.9) 29.6 (11.8) 25.7 (16.5) 74.3 (16.5) Brown Brown

    -- Lazaridis et al., "Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans", Nature. 2017 Aug 10; 548(7666): 214–218.

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    And these gladiators were a group of brothers or relatives or came from the same area ...?


    I could find that they were taller than the natives and muscular but why they buried them with their heads next to their bodies. I have not found more information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post


    And these gladiators were a group of brothers or relatives or came from the same area ...?


    I could find that they were taller than the natives and muscular but why they buried them with their heads next to their bodies. I have not found more information.

    I heard about them, most of the Gladiators were more like Northern Europeans types, some from Britain, and one Middle Easterner or North African. (I Think.)

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    ^^

    Soon I will open a thread in honor of Lady Cheddarly for having been the progenitor of this new system in which through free reconstructions using different digital media you can get to know other aspects about the qualities of those beings who lived thousands of years ago and that science could never solve. Maybe the Lady Cheddarly method is not infallible but it's the only thing we have.

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    Intuitively, some of these comparative results look so weird. I mean, less similarity with Minoans from the BA Aegean (18) than with Paleolithic Ust' Ishim, who barely contributed anything to the modern European population? Ust'Ishim looks much closer than Mal'ta (3), which is demonstrably connected to the ANE that does exist in most modern Europeans via the steppe ancestry. There are other strange results like that. Or are each of these groups (e.g. Paleolithic before glaciation, Northwestern Europe, etc.) to be judged on their own, that is, their results would not be comparable with those included in another group, only with those under the same label?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygorcs View Post
    Intuitively, some of these comparative results look so weird. I mean, less similarity with Minoans from the BA Aegean (18) than with Paleolithic Ust' Ishim, who barely contributed anything to the modern European population? Ust'Ishim looks much closer than Mal'ta (3), which is demonstrably connected to the ANE that does exist in most modern Europeans via the steppe ancestry. There are other strange results like that. Or are each of these groups (e.g. Paleolithic before glaciation, Northwestern Europe, etc.) to be judged on their own, that is, their results would not be comparable with those included in another group, only with those under the same label?
    You're right. It doesn't make sense.


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    In case of portuguese and catalanes the match with hungary (maros) - rise 373 (mt_hg K1a2a) make some sense.


    The biggest match of Portuguese people (at least, is what I could see) is with 1,800 BC - Hungary (Maros) - Rise373.


    Maciamo Hay explain that "the vast majority of Neolithic samples from Central and Western Europe were K1a, including subclades such as K1a1b1 (Spain), K1a2a (Catalonia and Portugal), K1a3a3 (Hungary), K1a4a1 (Catalonia and Germany), and K1a5 (Sweden)".


    See in:


    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_K_mtDNA.shtml

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    I show the strongest affinity to the Mycenaean I9006, followed by Tepecik 002, and Mycenaean I9041. Supporting my point here:

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...065#post571065

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post


    I show the strongest affinity to the Mycenaean I9006, followed by Tepecik 002, and Mycenaean I9041. Supporting my point here:

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...065#post571065
    I assume you are Greek. Which part of Greece are you from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post


    I show the strongest affinity to the Mycenaean I9006, followed by Tepecik 002, and Mycenaean I9041. Supporting my point here:

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...065#post571065
    Comparing ... :) we should add Bavaria STR300, to the Mycenaean 19006 and Tepecik 002.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xri34 View Post
    I assume you are Greek. Which part of Greece are you from?
    I'm not Greek, my family is from the region of Bari. Though southern Italy was influenced by Greek settlement. At any rate, in the linked thread, I pointed out that the proposed ABA expansion into Southern Italy was very similar to that of the Mycenaean samples, as the K20 ADMIXTURE analysis chart shows. Not that the ABA in the early to middle bronze age were Mycenaean; I think the chart shows they were similar to each other genetically nonetheless.

    Note: I've merged some posts from another thread, about this calculator, into Carlos' thread.
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    Clearly southern European, but after that a bit all over the place.

    This is the real surprise.
    70-500 AD 54 NW Bavaria, one of the skull deformation women. That’s the one that isn’t quite in the “eastern” group of the “southern European” cluster of women, right, so maybe not as “Balkan”?
    67-Roman soldier maybe from Iberia?
    65 for the Bavarian STR 310, which is “Southern European”, no skull deformation and 62 for Bavarian 300 Greece or Turkey.
    65 also for Mycenaean.
    Maybe I should get honorary ancient Greek citizenship? Should I change allegiance? I was always for the Trojans. ������ Iberian one is maybe closer though.

    62 LBK
    62 Boncuklu
    62 Another Mycenaean
    61 Hungary Neolithic 1
    61 Maros
    60 Hungary Bronze Age 2
    60 Germany Bell Beaker
    60 Crimea Ostrogoth (That's an odd one.)
    58 Northwestern European gladiator
    56 Tepecik
    55 NW Turkey 3850 BC
    54 Portugal Torre Vehla
    52 Remedello (This relatively low score surprises me. Why don't they have Oetzi?)

    Highest “Northern” scores
    41 Denmark
    40 Poland
    Why don’t they have the Langobards?

    I guess it makes sense that the relatively "late" southern Europeans from 500 AD are the best match for me. Also, this seems generally correct for a Central Southern Europe: midway between Iberians and Greeks.

    @Jovialis,
    You're still King.
    My husband is only 67 for Mycenaean. :)
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