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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    ^^That was unnecessary. The same point could have been made without being so condescending.
    there is no point, I wasn't talking about bigger or more as LeBrok suggests
    I just said that in memory the crimes of communism seem to be forgiven as opposed to nazism or fascism
    my point was made in my first sentence

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    I guess, all of us have to make a trip.

    some say Cuba or Venezuela,
    Some would say the Nazi camps,
    Some would say the Stalin's Gulang
    Some would say Korea and its civil war
    I could also say Greece and its 5 year civil war
    Hemingway could say Spain before WW2

    BUT I THINK WE MUST ALL MAKE A TRIP AND LIVE 1 MONTH
    EITHER TO CHINA, to see the biggest helper of today Capitalism, is a Communistic country
    EITHER TO INDIA, to see the future of people who own money, and sell their kidneys.

    JUST THINK THIS,
    it ok to lend a country, by a signature of an opportunist minister, after all its 'free economy'
    But we strangely destroy social structures, and lifes, and make people own money they never get,
    so we drive them to the lndia model,
    or we press the state to become China,


    I Think we should all visit outside Peijing to realize (the biggest helper of global Capitals, the biggest producer)
    I Think we should all visit Calcuta streets to realize
    I think we must visit Favella on what is called improved economy
    Even the squares outside Cape town

    Believe me, many of them are more huppy, than a man in NY or London stock exchange,

    I still agree, that Stalin's gulangs and policy is crime.

    Oh not forget to visit also Franfurt, London NY etc stock exchange.
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    "Are you really comfortable with people like AOC trying to set the agenda for the Democratic Party? You think her proposals make any kind of sense at all?"

    AOC seems to be a product of her generation and I thinks she believes she's doing what her constituency wants her to do. Who knows? Her world view is somewhat narrow and she didn't grow up in the Bronx, but Westchester County, NY, which is much more affluent. The younger generations seem to be more open to larger governments and socialistic programs because they're not used to being self-reliant like past generations.

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    The left's historical amnesia about communism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post

    Northener,

    What is going on at colleges and universities is a disgrace. Far left students are imposing their own version of Mao's cultural revolution, while the administrations cower and buckle, preventing certain speakers from coming to campus, firing or at least censuring professors for expressing opinions that might "trigger" the feeling of some of the students, prohibiting "microaggressions" and on and on.

    Good grief, staging protests, closing down classes over Halloween costumes doesn't seem bizarre to you? It used to be limited to the humanities, but now they're going after people like geneticists.

    Are you unaware of it?

    Does this not give you pause?

    Or look what is going on in the news every day. Person after person publicly shamed for comments made thirty, forty, years ago. It's madness, imo.

    Are you really comfortable with people like AOC trying to set the agenda for the Democratic Party? You think her proposals make any kind of sense at all?

    If it's ok with you, so be it, but it isn't ok with me.
    The only thing I’m trying to say is don’t look only to one side.

    But this is obviously what is going on in the US. Polarization. Trenches.

    Sorry I ‘m not really into that.

    And for the rest as a moderate left I stay for social fairness and free speech. Nothing to do with fascism and it doesn’t deserve that label.


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    Quote Originally Posted by matty74 View Post
    "Are you really comfortable with people like AOC trying to set the agenda for the Democratic Party? You think her proposals make any kind of sense at all?"

    AOC seems to be a product of her generation and I thinks she believes she's doing what her constituency wants her to do. Who knows? Her world view is somewhat narrow and she didn't grow up in the Bronx, but Westchester County, NY, which is much more affluent. The younger generations seem to be more open to larger governments and socialistic programs because they're not used to being self-reliant like past generations.
    That's subjective. An alternative verson could be that younger generations are past the paradigm of: “Government is not a solution to our problem government is the problem.” (dixit Reagan)

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    The left's historical amnesia about communism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post

    Northener,

    What is going on at colleges and universities is a disgrace. Far left students are imposing their own version of Mao's cultural revolution, while the administrations cower and buckle, preventing certain speakers from coming to campus, firing or at least censuring professors for expressing opinions that might "trigger" the feeling of some of the students, prohibiting "microaggressions" and on and on.

    Good grief, staging protests, closing down classes over Halloween costumes doesn't seem bizarre to you? It used to be limited to the humanities, but now they're going after people like geneticists.

    Are you unaware of it?

    Does this not give you pause?

    Or look what is going on in the news every day. Person after person publicly shamed for comments made thirty, forty, years ago. It's madness, imo.

    Are you really comfortable with people like AOC trying to set the agenda for the Democratic Party? You think her proposals make any kind of sense at all?

    If it's ok with you, so be it, but it isn't ok with me.
    And about AOC yes I have read a background article about her in the paper. She describes herself as a democratic socialist. That comes close to my position indeed. And this is EUpedia isn’t it? In the EU are social democrats not so excotic like in the US, well they tend to become exotic but that has another reason (ironic meant). In the period after ww2 they were in NW Europe one of the pillars of the democratic welfare societies.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by matty74 View Post
    "Are you really comfortable with people like AOC trying to set the agenda for the Democratic Party? You think her proposals make any kind of sense at all?"

    AOC seems to be a product of her generation and I thinks she believes she's doing what her constituency wants her to do. Who knows? Her world view is somewhat narrow and she didn't grow up in the Bronx, but Westchester County, NY, which is much more affluent. The younger generations seem to be more open to larger governments and socialistic programs because they're not used to being self-reliant like past generations.
    A lot of it is indoctrination on college campuses. Some of the rest is just colored by resentment because of the African American experience (and that of admixed people), which I do appreciate btw.

    What she and the rest of them need is a visit to Cuba and Venezuela.

    Nobody wants fascism anymore, or at least only the lunatic fringe, so no point going back in time to that, Yetos.


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    The left's historical amnesia about communism

    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    A lot of it is indoctrination on college campuses. Some of the rest is just colored by resentment because of the African American experience (and that of admixed people), which I do appreciate btw.

    What she and the rest of them need is a visit to Cuba and Venezuela.

    Nobody wants fascism anymore, or at least only the lunatic fringe, so no point going back in time to that, Yetos.
    I would advice her to to the social democratic influenced countries, choose one from the top five:
    http://digg.com/2019/happiest-countries-world-ranked

    And that’s not Venezuela and Cuba nothing to do with social democracy.....



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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    I would advice her to to the social democratic influenced countries, choose one from the top five:
    http://digg.com/2019/happiest-countries-world-ranked

    And that’s not Venezuela and Cuba nothing to do with social democracy.....



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    I shouldn't have brought her up. I forgot for a moment you're not American.

    She is "not" a social democrat European style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I shouldn't have brought her up. I forgot for a moment you're not American.

    She is "not" a social democrat European style.
    Not Im certainly not American, although I like to be informed about the US. In the Netherlands the US is info about the US (in the news magazines etc) widespread. Also in matters of politics.
    No, I'm from the social democratic heartland of the Netherlands. In my hometown more than 50% voted social democratic, my grandfather was a local labour leader. A quite sober person.
    I always liked the German chancellor Helmut Schmidt:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6HzHEINd28
    But the social democrats are in the decline, the old labour parts go to more left or especially right populist parties. The more higher educated to the Greens or social liberals. I consider this a loss because this leads to 'bubbles' I like broad parties.

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    The left's historical amnesia about communism

    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I shouldn't have brought her up. I forgot for a moment you're not American.

    She is "not" a social democrat European style.
    But don't underestimate my opinions I guess they are still off road the US ;)

    I agree (and also some kind of enjoyed) when the young historian Rutger Bregman talks in the 'the Lion's cave' Davos ;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paaen3b44XY

    He hit the nail here IMO.
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    It seems the left has amnesia even about more current events that happened less than a year ago.

    Ironic how they use the cliché 1984 novel and "doublethink" as a rhetorical device. When clearly they have a religious fervor for an inversion of reality on many topics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    It seems the left has amnesia even about more current events that happened less than a year ago.

    Ironic how they use the cliché 1984 novel and "doublethink" as a rhetorical device. When clearly they have a religious fervor for an inversion of reality on many topics.
    I went to university when reading Marx and Lenin and Che Guevara was still a "thing". At least the discussion was honest, though, with the left admitting so many of their ideas stemmed from Marxism, even the most appalling ones.

    Nowadays, the education system is either so bad or so biased that if you don't do a lot of reading on your own you have no clue as to the genesis of the ideas being proposed.

    I find it amusing, in a way, that people who want twitter to collapse because it might allow free speech on its platform, cite 1984 as a warning symbol.

    Found this in my files. Nothing changes. When you want an autocracy, no matter what you call it, this is what you do.


    It couldn't be more true; they're still in love with autocracy.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    It seems the left has amnesia even about more current events that happened less than a year ago.

    Ironic how they use the cliché 1984 novel and "doublethink" as a rhetorical device. When clearly they have a religious fervor for an inversion of reality on many topics.
    Did you see where Alyssa Milano posted that she turned in her Tesla to buy a Volkswagon because she didn't want to support a Nazi platform.

    The ignoramus has/had no clue that Volkswagen was an integral part of Nazi Germany and produced its cars using slave labor.

    An old Beetle was my husband's first car and he loved it, but when I read those facts I kept pushing for him to sell it and buy American. The same people were still at the helm into the 60s from what I understand.

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    It is almost as their hypocrisy is within and of itself double think. For example, the fact that so many of these celebrities' promoting environmentalist causes, yet flying around on private jets.

    The best thing I've seen in the news lately is what is happening with the charlatan Sam Bankman-Fried from FTX. Turns out he didn't give a damn about giving away his wealth as he purported to. Moreover he admitted to using woke ideology to dup these fools out of their money.

    With all of these major players being discredited, and if we can get Trump out of the picture (who only serves to fuel the left, and himself), maybe we can finally see the end of Wokeism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    The ignoramus has/had no clue that Volkswagen was an integral part of Nazi Germany and produced its cars using slave labor.
    An old Beetle was my husband's first car and he loved it, but when I read those facts I kept pushing for him to sell it and buy American. The same people were still at the helm into the 60s from what I understand.
    Alyssa Milano isn't forced to not buy Volkswagen.
    2nd, she just stops buying a car brand for absolutely soft and confused reasons like refusing to submit to absolute abnormality and destruction(of us).
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    Choosing a car brand with no negative historic or current connotations is tricky business…

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr...nazicars30.htm

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