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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    A new deep dive this week

    I have this ancient sample just in “Ancient Samples Results”, as below.




    My ancient French matchings in “Deep Dive” are these ones, in age sequecing.






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    ^^









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    The neolithic still remains without comparison with other users.


    To liven up the morning all my Bronze for the moment.

    28. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary (1750 BC) ..... 12.12 - Rise483
    29. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) ..... 12.13 - I12209
    32. North Alpine Bronze Age (1677 BC) ..... 12.2 - AITI_98
    33. Bronze Age Vatya Pannonia (1600 BC) ..... 12.36 - Rise480
    39. North Alpine Bronze Age (1794 BC) ..... 12.9 - AITI_43
    49. Menorca Late Bronze Age (861 BC) ..... 13.55 - I3315
    62. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) ..... 14.25 - I12208
    68. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age (1563 BC) ..... 14.42 - OTTM_151ind2
    70. North Alpine Bronze Age (1797 BC) ..... 14.51 - AITI_66
    70. North Alpine Bronze Age (1797 BC) ..... 14.51 - AITI_66
    84. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1440 BC) ..... 14.78 - I2472 -
    92. Early Bronze Age Abisso del Vento Sicily (2073 BC) ..... 15.27 - I8561
    97. Portugal Middle Bronze Age (1580 BC) ..... 15.48 - TV3831
    99. Portugal Middle Bronze Age (1580 BC) ..... 15.56 - ValeOuro10207 -
    105. Rixheim Bronze Age France (1750 BC) ..... 15.95 - RIX4
    109. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2000 BC) ..... 15.97 - MX256
    110. Mallorca Early Bronze Age (2350 BC) ..... 16.0 - I4329
    112. North Alpine Bronze Age (1790 BC) ..... 16.07 - AITI_78
    114. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 16.23 - VAD001
    115. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1350 BC) ..... 16.23 - ESP005
    116. Early bronze Age Singen Germany (1696 BC) ..... 16.24 - MX257
    120. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (1785 BC) ..... 16.43 - MX277
    124. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2030 BC) ..... 16.53 - MX283
    125. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2000 BC) ..... 16.55 - MX254_2 -
    127. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas I (1500 BC) ..... 16.6 - I3493
    129. Bronze Age Early Celt Wartau Switzerland (1651 BC) ..... 16.66 - SX20
    137. Rixheim Bronze Age France (1750 BC) ..... 16.86 - RIX15
    144. Bronze Age Koenigsbrunn Germany (1957 BC) ..... 17.1 - OBKR_9A
    148. North Alpine Bronze Age (1815 BC) ..... 17.24 - AITI_72
    151. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy (1813 BC) ..... 17.35 - I4885
    155. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy (1813 BC) ..... 17.44 - I4891 -
    156. Bronze Age Koenigsbrunn Germany (2012 BC) ..... 17.44 - OBKR_50
    161. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2000 BC) ..... 17.55 - MX258
    163. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1440 BC) ..... 17.6 - I1840
    166. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 17.66 - VAD005 -
    170. North Alpine Bronze Age (1788 BC) ..... 17.85 - AITI_40
    171. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (1860 BC) ..... 17.85 - MX252
    183. Portugal Bronze Age (1600 BC) ..... 18.47 - VO10207
    185. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age (1525 BC) ..... 18.54 - OTTM_156
    187. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy (1813 BC) ..... 18.56 - I4887
    188. Portugal Middle Bronze Age (1580 BC) ..... 18.59 - MonteGato104
    190. Bronze Age Haunstetten Germany (1966 BC) ..... 18.67 - POST_28
    191. North Alpine Bronze Age (1950 BC) ..... 18.67 - AITI_70 -
    193. High Status North Alpine Bronze Age (1789 BC) ..... 18.78 - AITI_119
    194. Rixheim Bronze Age France (1750 BC) ..... 18.79 - RIX2 -
    195. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy (1813 BC) ..... 18.8 - I4888
    199. Early Bronze Age Wartau Switzerland (1815 BC) ..... 18.87 - SX23
    208. North Alpine Bronze Age (1791 BC) ..... 19.12 - AITI_2 -
    213. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary (1750 BC) ..... 19.28 - Rise484
    218. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (1930 BC) ..... 19.49 - MX286
    221. Kornice Bronze Age Poland (2200 BC) ..... 19.66 - I6582
    222. Kornice Bronze Age Poland (2300 BC) ..... 19.67 - I6534 -
    223. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 19.78 - VAD004
    226. Bronze Age Loma del Puerco (1800 BC) ..... 19.86 - I7162 -
    233. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2050 BC) ..... 20.05 - MX275
    234. Early Bronze Age Bad Zurzach Switzerland (1963 BC) ..... 20.08 - SNPRA63
    241. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech (2122 BC) ..... 20.51 - I4886
    245. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas I (1500 BC) ..... 20.68 - I3490
    246. Bronze Age Amesbury (1450 BC) ..... 20.68 - I2458 -
    248. Bronze Age Anselfingen Germany (2325 BC) ..... 20.73 - MX259 -



    The problem is that I have put on 10kg and the summer clothes are almost out of the closet and there is no time, I will walk on secondary streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    ^^









    @Duarte

    The neolithic still remains without comparison with other users.


    To liven up the morning all my Bronze for the moment.

    28. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary (1750 BC) ..... 12.12 - Rise483
    29. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) ..... 12.13 - I12209
    32. North Alpine Bronze Age (1677 BC) ..... 12.2 - AITI_98
    33. Bronze Age Vatya Pannonia (1600 BC) ..... 12.36 - Rise480
    39. North Alpine Bronze Age (1794 BC) ..... 12.9 - AITI_43
    49. Menorca Late Bronze Age (861 BC) ..... 13.55 - I3315
    62. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) ..... 14.25 - I12208
    68. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age (1563 BC) ..... 14.42 - OTTM_151ind2
    70. North Alpine Bronze Age (1797 BC) ..... 14.51 - AITI_66
    70. North Alpine Bronze Age (1797 BC) ..... 14.51 - AITI_66
    84. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1440 BC) ..... 14.78 - I2472 -
    92. Early Bronze Age Abisso del Vento Sicily (2073 BC) ..... 15.27 - I8561
    97. Portugal Middle Bronze Age (1580 BC) ..... 15.48 - TV3831
    99. Portugal Middle Bronze Age (1580 BC) ..... 15.56 - ValeOuro10207 -
    105. Rixheim Bronze Age France (1750 BC) ..... 15.95 - RIX4
    109. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2000 BC) ..... 15.97 - MX256
    110. Mallorca Early Bronze Age (2350 BC) ..... 16.0 - I4329
    112. North Alpine Bronze Age (1790 BC) ..... 16.07 - AITI_78
    114. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 16.23 - VAD001
    115. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1350 BC) ..... 16.23 - ESP005
    116. Early bronze Age Singen Germany (1696 BC) ..... 16.24 - MX257
    120. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (1785 BC) ..... 16.43 - MX277
    124. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2030 BC) ..... 16.53 - MX283
    125. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2000 BC) ..... 16.55 - MX254_2 -
    127. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas I (1500 BC) ..... 16.6 - I3493
    129. Bronze Age Early Celt Wartau Switzerland (1651 BC) ..... 16.66 - SX20
    137. Rixheim Bronze Age France (1750 BC) ..... 16.86 - RIX15
    144. Bronze Age Koenigsbrunn Germany (1957 BC) ..... 17.1 - OBKR_9A
    148. North Alpine Bronze Age (1815 BC) ..... 17.24 - AITI_72
    151. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy (1813 BC) ..... 17.35 - I4885
    155. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy (1813 BC) ..... 17.44 - I4891 -
    156. Bronze Age Koenigsbrunn Germany (2012 BC) ..... 17.44 - OBKR_50
    161. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2000 BC) ..... 17.55 - MX258
    163. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1440 BC) ..... 17.6 - I1840
    166. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 17.66 - VAD005 -
    170. North Alpine Bronze Age (1788 BC) ..... 17.85 - AITI_40
    171. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (1860 BC) ..... 17.85 - MX252
    183. Portugal Bronze Age (1600 BC) ..... 18.47 - VO10207
    185. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age (1525 BC) ..... 18.54 - OTTM_156
    187. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy (1813 BC) ..... 18.56 - I4887
    188. Portugal Middle Bronze Age (1580 BC) ..... 18.59 - MonteGato104
    190. Bronze Age Haunstetten Germany (1966 BC) ..... 18.67 - POST_28
    191. North Alpine Bronze Age (1950 BC) ..... 18.67 - AITI_70 -
    193. High Status North Alpine Bronze Age (1789 BC) ..... 18.78 - AITI_119
    194. Rixheim Bronze Age France (1750 BC) ..... 18.79 - RIX2 -
    195. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy (1813 BC) ..... 18.8 - I4888
    199. Early Bronze Age Wartau Switzerland (1815 BC) ..... 18.87 - SX23
    208. North Alpine Bronze Age (1791 BC) ..... 19.12 - AITI_2 -
    213. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary (1750 BC) ..... 19.28 - Rise484
    218. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (1930 BC) ..... 19.49 - MX286
    221. Kornice Bronze Age Poland (2200 BC) ..... 19.66 - I6582
    222. Kornice Bronze Age Poland (2300 BC) ..... 19.67 - I6534 -
    223. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 19.78 - VAD004
    226. Bronze Age Loma del Puerco (1800 BC) ..... 19.86 - I7162 -
    233. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel (2050 BC) ..... 20.05 - MX275
    234. Early Bronze Age Bad Zurzach Switzerland (1963 BC) ..... 20.08 - SNPRA63
    241. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech (2122 BC) ..... 20.51 - I4886
    245. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas I (1500 BC) ..... 20.68 - I3490
    246. Bronze Age Amesbury (1450 BC) ..... 20.68 - I2458 -
    248. Bronze Age Anselfingen Germany (2325 BC) ..... 20.73 - MX259 -



    The problem is that I have put on 10kg and the summer clothes are almost out of the closet and there is no time, I will walk on secondary streets.
    ^^Thank you dear friend @Carlos
    These are my Bronze Age samples according MTA:



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    Carlos:
    92. Early Bronze Age Abisso del Vento Sicily (2073 BC) ..... 15.27 - I8561

    Me:
    89. Early Bronze Age Abisso del Vento Sicily (2073 BC) ..... 15.58 - I8561

    This sample was treated as an outlier in the paper below.

    https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/...Supplement.pdf



    “Abisso del Vento 2017 (Grotto) (Sicily_EBA8561, I8561). Petrous bone, C14 dated to 2346- 2199 calBCE (3825±20 BP, PSUAMS-4873).

    Among the Sicilian Early Bronze individuals, I11443 from Buffa Cave (Sicily_EBA11443) and individual I8561 from Isnello (Sicily_EBA8561) were not consistent with forming a clade with the remaining Early Bronze Age Sicilians in the great majority of tests. We therefore treated them as outliers for analysis”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Carlos:
    92. Early Bronze Age Abisso del Vento Sicily (2073 BC) ..... 15.27 - I8561

    Me:
    89. Early Bronze Age Abisso del Vento Sicily (2073 BC) ..... 15.58 - I8561

    This sample was treated as an outlier in the paper below.

    https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/...Supplement.pdf



    “Abisso del Vento 2017 (Grotto) (Sicily_EBA8561, I8561). Petrous bone, C14 dated to 2346- 2199 calBCE (3825±20 BP, PSUAMS-4873).

    Among the Sicilian Early Bronze individuals, I11443 from Buffa Cave (Sicily_EBA11443) and individual I8561 from Isnello (Sicily_EBA8561) were not consistent with forming a clade with the remaining Early Bronze Age Sicilians in the great majority of tests. We therefore treated them as outliers for analysis”.
    92. Early Bronze Age Abisso del Vento Sicily (2073 BC) ..... 15.27 - I8561

    Latin + Etruscan (4.246)
    Iberian + Etruscan (4.819)
    Etruscan (6.485)
    Iberian + Latin (6.508)
    Latin + Rhaeti (6.888)
    Rhaeti + Etruscan (7.002)
    Iberian (9.291)
    Rhaeti (9.57)
    Latin (9.938)
    Gallo-Roman (11.68)
    1. Spanish_Aragon (13.46)
    2. Spanish_Cantabria (13.72)
    3. Southwest_French (14.77)
    4. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (14.81)
    5. Spanish_Andalucia (15.32)
    6. Spanish_Valencia (15.81)
    7. French_Basque (16.11)
    8. Spanish_Murcia (17.38)

    I had realized that although with its own superposition the sample is made up of results that I usually get and I do not have it in my outliers either.
    Wasn't there also another Iberian in

    Maybe MTA should add outlier to the sample or outlier

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    Things have changed a bit....20200527_190711.jpg20200527_173156.jpg

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    edit... - off topic, now I think :)

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    Good Grief: Jean Paul Marat??? I would have killed him in his bath like Charlotte Corday too. I don't care how intelligent he was; he was a mass murderer, or close to it. Left or right; makes no difference to me:

    Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France

    Marat (1793 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: H2a2a1f

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain

    Genetic Distance: 19.212
    Sample Match! 59% closer than other users


    Relic French King Louis XVI

    LXVI (1793 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: N1b

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: G2a (P15/PF3112)

    Genetic Distance: 11.373
    Sample Match! 98% closer than other users


    Now, whoever is in there, he and I are CLOSE! :)

    This next one isn't bad...

    Carolingian Settlement Barcelona

    I7672 (790 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: T2h

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a1a2a1a (L151/PF6542)

    Genetic Distance: 23.517
    Sample Match! 60% closer than other users


    Le Mans Revolutionary France

    LM_403_T (1793 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: K1c1

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain

    Genetic Distance: 25.308
    Sample Match! 29% closer than other users
    Le Mans Revolutionary France

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    mtDNA Haplogroup: H79a

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain

    Genetic Distance: 24.601
    Sample Match! 31% closer than other users

    Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon

    SI-53 (1250 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: T2

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a2c2 (CTS300/DF63/S522)

    Genetic Distance: 14.868
    Sample Match! 99% closer than other users

    Crusader Knight French / Lebanon

    SI-40 (1250 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: U5a1g

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a (CTS5330)

    Genetic Distance: 22.806
    Sample Match! 90% closer than other users
    Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon

    SI-41 (1250 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: V19

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a2a (DF27/S250)

    Genetic Distance: 12.501
    Sample Match! 99% closer than other users

    Nice to know the people walking around my part of the world in 1200 AD were pretty much like me. There had to be a reason why I was so obsessed with the Italian Renaissance. :)

    Now, as to Mr. Relic Man. Well, I could spin a tale: the boy king brutalized by the Sans Culotte cut his finger. The handkerchief covering it was left behind when Royalists spirited him away from his cell and they decided the one place where he would never be found, the back of beyond, was in the Appennine mountains south of Parma!


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    Things have changed a bit....20200527_190711.jpg20200527_173156.jpg

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    I was proud of my relationship with my admired Romans ... and now I have a relationship with one of his worst enemies ... I feel like a traitor ...

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    my 23s v4 - v5 R850 Deep Dive results are very different, even though they are both from 23andme ...

    ... for V4 I’m a Top #4 match, for V5 a standard user, ... Combined something in the middle



    R850 Latin Tribe Ardea 650 BC (Iron Age) y T... mt T...



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    43. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 15.82
    - R850




    23v5:


    47. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 17.09
    - R850




    Combined:



    45. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 15.86
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    8. Dolmen de Saint-Eugene Bronze Age France (1950 BC) ..... 10.28 - EUG11 -
    14. Aquitani Pech-Maho France (350 BC) ..... 10.9 - PECH8
    20. Le Mans Revolutionary France (1793 AD) ..... 11.51 - LM_406_T
    34. Rec de Ligno Bronze Age France (2050 BC) ..... 12.31 - PIR3037AB
    38. Le Pirou Valros Bronze Age France (1630 BC) ..... 12.59 - Pir6
    41. Belgic Tribe Colmar France (340 BC) ..... 12.77 - COL153i -
    43. Neolithic France (3500 BC) ..... 13.25 - PEN001_real2
    57. Pont-sur-Seine Bronze Age France (2100 BC) ..... 13.83 - PSS4170
    79. Crusader Knight French / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 14.61 - SI-40
    94. Belgic Tribe Erstein France (250 BC) ..... 15.2 - ERS1164 -
    95. Quinquiris Bronze Age Aude France (1500 BC) ..... 15.21 - QUIN234
    96. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 15.24 - OBS137
    101. Iron Age Erstein France (250 BC) ..... 15.45 - ERS86
    105. Bronze Age Niederergheim France (860 BC) ..... 15.62 - NIED
    107. Quinquiris Bronze Age Aude France (1200 BC) ..... 15.68 - QUIN58
    111. Belgic Tribe Nordhouse France (500 BC) ..... 15.85 - NOR3-6 -
    113. Rixheim Bronze Age Alsace France (1690 BC) ..... 15.95 - RIX4
    114. Ligurian Pech-Maho France (350 BC) ..... 15.95 - PECH5
    121. Medieval France Saint-Laurent-de-la-Cabrerisse (1348 AD) ..... 16.23 - SLC1006
    126. Le Mans Revolutionary France (1793 AD) ..... 16.35 - LM_306_T
    145. Rixheim Bronze Age Alsace France (1650 BC) ..... 16.86 - RIX15
    157. Relic French King Louis XVI (1793 AD) ..... 17.27 - LXVI
    162. Le Peyrou Agde France (300 BC) ..... 17.44 - PEY163
    172. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 17.64 - OBS116
    181. Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France (1793 AD) ..... 17.92 - Marat
    196. Neolithic France (3500 BC) ..... 18.58 - OBN003
    203. Rixheim Bronze Age Alsace France (1650 BC) ..... 18.79 - RIX2
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    Quote Originally Posted by italouruguayan View Post
    I was proud of my relationship with my admired Romans ... and now I have a relationship with one of his worst enemies ... I feel like a traitor ...
    Very cool your results, ítalo.

    I think that in my history of ancient samples I alternate between conquered (Iberian and Celtiberian) and conquerors (Gallo-Romans).

    I believe that all we are a little bit of each one, lol.

    Today I'm a little tired.

    Tomorrow (here in Brazil and there in Uruguay)I am going to check my new results and see what changed in my MTA . After, I will post.

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by italouruguayan View Post
    I was proud of my relationship with my admired Romans ... and now I have a relationship with one of his worst enemies ... I feel like a traitor ...
    It can't be true. You're one of us. :) Maybe it just doesn't work as well for people who aren't as inbred as some of us. :)

    My husband studied the classics in university. He had a great liking for Marcus Aurelius, kept a copy of his Meditations around, which was fine, but he also really liked Cato the Censor. I couldn't stand him. He thought Cato had strength of character and determination; I thought Cato was a bit mad, and a bore as well, and a perfect example of someone who could never forgive or forget. Talk about obsessions: whenever he was in the Senate, which was probably always, and no matter the topic of the discussion, whether it was the aqueduct or the sewers, or how much to pay for bread, he ended each lecture with: "Carthago Delenda Est" or Carthage Must Be Destroyed, and it was; he helped push Rome into the final war, and Carthage was destroyed and its people all sold into slavery. Total War first millennium B.C. style. Not their most admirable moment imo, but there you go, I guess that's how you build empires. The other total war was against the Jews, another bull-headed people. It didn't work out for them either.

    Then, like all empires, it fell. Climate, disease and other things finally brought them low. How the mighty are fallen, right?

    I'm reading a good book about it: The Fate of Rome; Climate, Disease and the End of Empire. I recommend it.

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    ... Tour of Italy, my Ancient Paesani, one of each, ... North to South:

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    It could not be otherwise, of course


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    It could not be otherwise, of course

    I match both samples at a GD of about 14.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    I match both samples at a GD of about 14.
    Your result is not bad. I am a little further away, which is not bad either considering that I am further away geographically and exposed to other combinations that in turn are subject to the historical events of my specific territory; Although I have results that I consider to be quite pig, the closer it would be to be walking through Paris today.

    In GD I have not tried

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    Previous samples had shown that modern Belgians's dominant ancestry was Germanic (Frankish and Saxon), but with a substantial minority of Celtic. The new Gaulish and Belgic samples show give even closer matches than earlier Proto-Celtic ones from Bronze Age Germany.

    I have a dozen Belgian genomes. Here are the closest Celtic and Germanic matches so far are. I have excluded mixed ethnicities, although Frankish-Gaulish or Danish-Celtic tend to get the closest matches.

    Closest Germanic matches by ethnic group

    - Lombard (Hungary) : 3.1
    - Visigoth Frankish (Girona, Spain) : 4.3
    - Frankish (Hungary) : 5.1
    - Alemannic Bavaria (450 CE) : 5.2
    - Saxon (Hinxton, England) : 6.1
    - Medieval Denmark : 6.6
    - Swiss Germanic (580 CE) : 7.5

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    - Bell Beaker Scotland : 5.8
    - Iron Age Colmar (Alsace, France) : 5.9
    - Bronze Age Bischwihr (Alsace, France) : 7.1
    - Iron Age Belgic Tribe Nordhouse (Alsace, France) : 7.5
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    well, if I go by my top matches:

    1. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 3.568 - SZ43 -
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    match vs all users


    2. Central Roman (630 AD) ..... 4.975 - CL36 - ?
    Top
    99 %
    match vs all users


    3. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 6.017 - R60 -
    Top
    99 %
    match vs all users


    4. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 6.279 - R1 -
    Top
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    match vs all users


    5. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.029 - SZ36 -
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    match vs all users

    1)SZ43::1. Tuscan (5.029)

    2. North_Italian (8.337)
    3. Albanian_Tosk (8.892)
    4. Kosovar (9.972)
    5. Italian_Abruzzo (10.12)
    6. West_Sicilian (10.53)
    7. Greek (11.71)
    8. Greek_Thessaly (12.65)

    2)
    1. Tuscan (6.059)
    2. North_Italian (6.723)
    3. Albanian_Tosk (11.58)
    4. Italian_Abruzzo (11.87)
    5. West_Sicilian (12.53)
    6. Kosovar (12.61)
    7. Spanish_Extremadura (13.81)
    8. Spanish_Murcia (13.89)

    3)
    1. Tuscan (5.034)
    2. Italian_Abruzzo (7.080)
    3. West_Sicilian (8.330)
    4. Albanian_Tosk (9.279)
    5. East_Sicilian (10.69)
    6. Central_Greek (10.77)
    7. North_Italian (11.17)
    8. Greek (11.32)

    4)
    1. North_Italian (5.281)
    2. Tuscan (8.820)
    3. Spanish_Andalucia (9.947)
    4. Spanish_Murcia (11.02)
    5. Spanish_Valencia (11.12)
    6. Spanish_Extremadura (11.12)
    7. Kosovar (11.37)
    8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (11.94)

    5)
    1. Tuscan (2.937)
    2. Albanian_Tosk (7.987)
    3. North_Italian (8.213)
    4. West_Sicilian (8.444)
    5. Kosovar (8.963)
    6. Italian_Abruzzo (9.271)
    7. Greek (9.454)
    8. Greek_Thessaly (10.26)

    This tool puts me closer to Florentines than any other one I've used, but I'm more than happy with that. :)

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    Just reuploaded my kit since it expired. I got new closest ancient match

    1000 BC - Bronze Age Szolad Hungary at genetic distance 7.1

    also got 605 AD - Byzantine Roman Warrior at genetic distance 8.5

    other then that Romans are my closest at 7.9



    Also it finds my ethnicity pretty accurate:





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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    well, if I go by my top matches:

    1. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 3.568
    - SZ43 -
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    match vs all users


    2. Central Roman (630 AD) ..... 4.975 - CL36 - ?
    99 %
    match vs all users


    3. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 6.017 - R60 -
    Top
    99 %
    match vs all users


    4. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 6.279 - R1 -
    Top
    99 %
    match vs all users


    5. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.029 - SZ36 -
    Top
    99 %
    match vs all users

    1)SZ43::1. Tuscan (5.029)

    2. North_Italian (8.337)
    3. Albanian_Tosk (8.892)
    4. Kosovar (9.972)
    5. Italian_Abruzzo (10.12)
    6. West_Sicilian (10.53)
    7. Greek (11.71)
    8. Greek_Thessaly (12.65)

    2)
    1. Tuscan (6.059)
    2. North_Italian (6.723)
    3. Albanian_Tosk (11.58)
    4. Italian_Abruzzo (11.87)
    5. West_Sicilian (12.53)
    6. Kosovar (12.61)
    7. Spanish_Extremadura (13.81)
    8. Spanish_Murcia (13.89)

    3)
    1. Tuscan (5.034)
    2. Italian_Abruzzo (7.080)
    3. West_Sicilian (8.330)
    4. Albanian_Tosk (9.279)
    5. East_Sicilian (10.69)
    6. Central_Greek (10.77)
    7. North_Italian (11.17)
    8. Greek (11.32)

    4)
    1. North_Italian (5.281)
    2. Tuscan (8.820)
    3. Spanish_Andalucia (9.947)
    4. Spanish_Murcia (11.02)
    5. Spanish_Valencia (11.12)
    6. Spanish_Extremadura (11.12)
    7. Kosovar (11.37)
    8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (11.94)

    5)
    1. Tuscan (2.937)
    2. Albanian_Tosk (7.987)
    3. North_Italian (8.213)
    4. West_Sicilian (8.444)
    5. Kosovar (8.963)
    6. Italian_Abruzzo (9.271)
    7. Greek (9.454)
    8. Greek_Thessaly (10.26)

    This tool puts me closer to Florentines than any other one I've used, but I'm more than happy with that. :)
    31. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 14.36 - SZ43
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    Top 5
    1. Hellenic Roman Monterotondo (165 AD) ..... 10.25 - R1548 South_Italian

    2. Tuscan Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (1350 AD) ..... 10.85 - R1290 Tuscan

    3. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.6 - SZ40 Italian_Abruzzo

    4. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.76 - SZ36 Tuscan

    5. Imperial Rome Centocelle (200 AD) ..... 11.82 - R49 South_Italian

    I think, ... distances: Clearly there’s an Ancient Population that has not yet been tested, ... the MESSAPI ... maybe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    It can't be true. You're one of us. :) Maybe it just doesn't work as well for people who aren't as inbred as some of us. :)

    My husband studied the classics in university. He had a great liking for Marcus Aurelius, kept a copy of his Meditations around, which was fine, but he also really liked Cato the Censor. I couldn't stand him. He thought Cato had strength of character and determination; I thought Cato was a bit mad, and a bore as well, and a perfect example of someone who could never forgive or forget. Talk about obsessions: whenever he was in the Senate, which was probably always, and no matter the topic of the discussion, whether it was the aqueduct or the sewers, or how much to pay for bread, he ended each lecture with: "Carthago Delenda Est" or Carthage Must Be Destroyed, and it was; he helped push Rome into the final war, and Carthage was destroyed and its people all sold into slavery. Total War first millennium B.C. style. Not their most admirable moment imo, but there you go, I guess that's how you build empires. The other total war was against the Jews, another bull-headed people. It didn't work out for them either.

    Then, like all empires, it fell. Climate, disease and other things finally brought them low. How the mighty are fallen, right?

    I'm reading a good book about it: The Fate of Rome; Climate, Disease and the End of Empire. I recommend it.

    Thanks Angela! :) Without a doubt, Cato was a man with a goal in his life. But after Carthage was destroyed and its site cursed with salt, the Romans, with their proverbial pragmatism, built in their place a new Carthage that was one of the main cities of the Roman Empire. I will try to get the book you recommend, it must be Very interesting.My matches with Carthaginians have surprised me, Mytrueancestry is a real box of surprises ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Very cool your results, ítalo.

    I think that in my history of ancient samples I alternate between conquered (Iberian and Celtiberian) and conquerors (Gallo-Romans).

    I believe that all we are a little bit of each one, lol.

    Today I'm a little tired.

    Tomorrow (here in Brazil and there in Uruguay)I am going to check my new results and see what changed in my MTA . After, I will post.

    Cheers.
    Hello Duarte!

    This hobby combines several things that have interested me since my adolescence: biological sciences and history. When I did my first genetic study, my interest was to know how many and what were my non-European components (which were evident in my maternal family), and my relationship with the Romans in the components inherited from my paternal side (ethnically 100% Italian) . In general, the results corroborated my previous assumptions, with some small surprises: my component from sub-Saharan Africa was lower than I thought (3%), the Native American component was higher (18%), and my Y-DNA indicated a possible relationship with those who contributed to destroy the Roman Empire (R1b U 106).
    And now, Mytrueancestry contributes more surprises ...

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