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[Angela]

If you want to believe that the Romans had that much of a genetic impact on the Balkans then be my guest. However there isn't any genetic data that supports this though I am of course open to any idea. I'm sure the Romans would of left some YDNA markers that could verify such genetic imprint. There is some but certianly not that large from everything I have seen.

As for the Ilyrians samples. They are mostly Bronze Age samples from Croatia. Samples from other areas of the Balkans weren't really like Northern Italians anyway. They were more East of Italians. Lets also not forget that they are just Bronze Age samples.

And yes, I am aware that the Ilyrians went to Italy.

Where, precisely, did I say that the Romans had a big genetic impact on the Balkans as a whole? I think I went out of my way to say that this area, this culture, was an exception.

I "said" that the "Illyrian" sample might have been from just one of the tribes in Illyria.

What other Balkan samples are in the study? From what I can see, just the "Illyrian" one, and some of the Thracian ones. I get both, and at pretty high levels.

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Sorry if these results are upsetting to some Albanians, but it is what it is.

Everyone is going to have to pull up their big boy pants, in every ethnicity, and accept what the genetics shows.

 

[Sam Boyer]

Did you notice any differences in samples that popped up between the two maps of the separate versions of raw data? For me, AncestryDNA was more substantive.

I'll edit in the images once I reach ten posts, but aside from minor differences, the maps look fairly similar at first glance. However, the shades of blue do differ somewhat between each sample.

My biggest question at the moment is why 'Saxon' is completely absent from the ancient populations, despite there being plenty of genetic similarity to other Germanic tribes like the Longobards, Franks and Vandals.

 

[markod]

I'll edit in the images once I reach ten posts, but aside from minor differences, the maps look fairly similar at first glance. However, the shades of blue do differ somewhat between each sample.

My biggest question at the moment is why 'Saxon' is completely absent from the ancient populations, despite there being plenty of genetic similarity to other Germanic tribes like the Longobards, Franks and Vandals.

The Saxons seem to have significant North Germanic and, by extension, 'Finnish' ancestry, so it doesn't surprise me that they wouldn't show a particularly strong affinity to present-day British. I'd think that Orcadians might be an exception.

 

[Salento]

@Gash

puntDNAL

mMonte3 k13 (Helix)

mMonte3 k13 (23 v5)

 

[Duarte]

@Gash

puntDNAL

mMonte3 k13 (Helix)

mMonte3 k13 (23 v5)

Hi Salento.
How do you do. Cool calculator this puntDNAL. For the first time I could see Brazilian ethnicity. These are my results puntDNAL. First, puntDNAL K15, recommenced by GEDmatch, and second, puntDNAL K12 Modern, this last, choosed by me aleatoric way.

 

[Salento]

@Duarte that’s great.

 

[Angela]

Well, it's not good for North/Central Italians, or at least not for me. I've never gotten anything other than North Italian and Tuscan as one and two. Also, where is my similarity to Southern Italians? Is this based on Eurogenes K15? If it is, just more proof of how wrong it is. I am not Albanian, as some of them will no doubt be happy to hear me report.

#Population (source)Distance
1Albanian4.02
2Tuscan4.23
3Italian6.4
4Greek_Thessaly7.63
5Greek_Central8.96
6Montenegrin9.037
7Portuguese10.71
8Bulgarian11.01
9Ashkenazy_Jew11.47
10Romanian11.51
11Sicilian12.03
12Spaniard12.84
13Brazilian13.43
14Macedonian13.44
15Sephardic_Jew15.08
16Bosnian16.81
17Basque18.38
18Serbian19.28
19French19.56
20South_German22.66

 

[bigsnake49]

Mine with K12 modern:

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Albanian	6.18
2	Bulgarian	6.19
3	Greek	6.21
4	Tuscan	8.99
5	Ashkenazi_Jew	11.79
6	Croatian	12.45
7	Sicilian_West	13.18
8	Romanian	13.25
9	Sicilian_East	13.46
10	Turkish_Aydin	13.87
11	Italian_Bergamo	15.13
12	Belgian	16.43
13	Dutch_South	16.63
14	French	17.29
15	German_South	17.77
16	Hungarian	17.83
17	Utahn_European	18.31
18	Spanish_Southwest	19
19	Turkish	19.62
20	Spanish_Canaries	19.96

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1		57.9%	Belgian	+	42.1%	Turkish_Kayseri	@	1.66
2		55.4%	Spanish_Southwest	+	44.6%	Chechen	@	1.74
3		55.2%	Utahn_European	+	44.8%	Turkish_Kayseri	@	1.79
4		63.1%	Romanian	+	36.9%	Turkish_Kayseri	@	1.92
5		60.6%	Spanish_Southwest	+	39.4%	Lezgin	@	1.96
6		83.9%	Albanian	+	16.1%	Tajik_Pomiri	@	2
7		53.2%	French	+	46.8%	Turkish	@	2.08
8		56%	German_South	+	44%	Turkish_Kayseri	@	2.12
9		62.1%	German_South	+	37.9%	Iranian_Jew	@	2.12
10		54.5%	Belgian	+	45.5%	Turkish	@	2.21
11		61.4%	Utahn_European	+	38.6%	Iranian_Jew	@	2.26
12		59.3%	German_South	+	40.7%	Assyrian	@	2.26
13		54.2%	Spanish_Southwest	+	45.8%	Kumyk	@	2.26
14		52.7%	English_South	+	47.3%	Turkish_Kayseri	@	2.33
15		67.6%	Romanian	+	32.4%	Armenian	@	2.33
16		66.5%	Romanian	+	33.5%	Laz	@	2.41
17		62.8%	Dutch_South	+	37.2%	Druze	@	2.41
18		84.2%	Greek	+	15.8%	Tajik_Pomiri	@	2.44
19		55.2%	Spanish_Southwest	+	44.8%	Adygei	@	2.46
20		62.9%	French	+	37.1%	Iranian	@	2.47

Yeah... I don't think so, particularly the 2 population mixing.

 

[Regio X]

Interesting. Again in consonance to the study which puts the Roman soldier closer to modern Iberians.

@Angela
I guess puntDNAL K15 is not related to Eurogenes K15.
K15 is just a reference to the number of clusters.

My first ten at puntDNAL K15:

FTDNA
1 Italian 3.24
2 Montenegrin 4.51
3 Romanian 5.36
4 Bulgarian 5.52
5 Spaniard 7.15
6 Macedonian 7.49
7 Portuguese 7.77
8 Albanian 9.29
9 Tuscan 10.75
10 Greek_Thessaly 10.94

23andMe v4
1 Italian 3.33
2 Montenegrin 4.54
3 Romanian 5.34
4 Bulgarian 5.51
5 Spaniard 7.14
6 Macedonian 7.46
7 Portuguese 7.8
8 Albanian 9.37
9 Tuscan 10.84
10 Bosnian 10.99

Father's (23andMe v4)
1 Montenegrin 3.21
2 Italian 3.43
3 Romanian 3.53
4 Bulgarian 3.87
5 Macedonian 5.77
6 Spaniard 8.71
7 Bosnian 9.08
8 Albanian 9.29
9 Portuguese 9.65
10 Greek_Thessaly 10.23

Mother's (23andMe v4)
1 Italian 4.78
2 Montenegrin 5.15
3 Romanian 5.25
4 Bulgarian 5.61
5 Spaniard 6.47
6 Macedonian 7.11
7 Portuguese 7.89
8 French 9.56
9 Bosnian 10.49
10 Serbian 10.84

"Italian" means "North Italian"?

 

[Gabriele Pashaj]

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[italouruguayan]

puntDNAL K15 4-Ancestors Oracle


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Mexican @ 12.475453
2 Brazilian @ 16.080528
3 Bulgarian @ 20.927120
4 Montenegrin @ 21.156204
5 Albanian @ 21.570024
6 Macedonian @ 21.632956
7 Romanian @ 21.672199
8 Italian @ 21.722408
9 Greek_Thessaly @ 22.112654
10 Puerto_Rican @ 22.160589
11 Bosnian @ 22.578793
12 Tuscan @ 22.833961
13 Greek_Central @ 23.180931
14 Portuguese @ 24.393448
15 Spaniard @ 24.972433
16 Serbian @ 25.139980
17 Colombian_B @ 25.244846
18 Ashkenazy_Jew @ 25.303316
19 French @ 26.697556
20 Sicilian @ 27.072186

Out of my obvious affinities with Latin American populations, my Italian references appear in 8th place ....

 

[Angela]

puntDNAL K15 4-Ancestors Oracle


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Mexican @ 12.475453
2 Brazilian @ 16.080528
3 Bulgarian @ 20.927120
4 Montenegrin @ 21.156204
5 Albanian @ 21.570024
6 Macedonian @ 21.632956
7 Romanian @ 21.672199
8 Italian @ 21.722408
9 Greek_Thessaly @ 22.112654
10 Puerto_Rican @ 22.160589
11 Bosnian @ 22.578793
12 Tuscan @ 22.833961
13 Greek_Central @ 23.180931
14 Portuguese @ 24.393448
15 Spaniard @ 24.972433
16 Serbian @ 25.139980
17 Colombian_B @ 25.244846
18 Ashkenazy_Jew @ 25.303316
19 French @ 26.697556
20 Sicilian @ 27.072186

Out of my obvious affinities with Latin American populations, my Italian references appear in 8th place ....

I don't think it was created with Europeans in mind, and I don't think it's particularly good for Southern Europeans, at least. It's the only calculator, ever, that didn't give me an Italian population as first choice. Well, there's one other...something Kurd did, but that's because for some inexplicable reason he only used Southern Italians. I think I might have come out Bulgarian on that one, and then Albanian, or the other way around, I don't remember.

Have you run the Dodecad ones?

 

[italouruguayan]

Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 17.898823
2 Romanians_Behar @ 19.177551
3 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 19.497793
4 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 19.662922
5 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 20.216389
6 TSI30_Metspalu @ 21.445169
7 North_Italian_HGDP @ 22.148018
8 Tuscan_HGDP @ 22.196404
9 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 22.411747
10 Greek_Dodecad @ 24.458960
11 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 24.975294
12 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 25.034306
13 Hungarians_Behar @ 25.313700
14 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 25.327185
15 French_Dodecad @ 25.372885
16 French_HGDP @ 25.603655
17 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 25.726482
18 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 26.093929
19 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 27.091309
20 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 27.183168

Dodecad V3 4-Ancestors Oracle

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuscan_Xing @ 17.232601
2 Tuscan_Henn @ 17.745371
3 TSI_HapMap @ 18.480227
4 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 21.444227
5 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 21.806314
6 Slovenian_Xing @ 21.924429
7 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 22.296892
8 Romanians_14_Behar @ 22.372116
9 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 23.043327
10 Hungarians_Behar @ 23.765650
11 Balkans_Dodecad @ 24.508427
12 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 25.065321
13 Tuscan_HGDP @ 25.422903
14 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 25.914598
15 North_Italian_HGDP @ 26.588444
16 French_HGDP @ 27.245493
17 French_Dodecad @ 27.256750
18 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 27.760830
19 IBS_1000Genomes @ 27.998789
20 CEU_HapMap @ 28.124374


Dodecad K7b 4-Ancestors Oracle



Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 14.722487
2 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 14.871604
3 Romanians_Behar @ 14.879505
4 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 15.128819
5 Tuscan_HGDP @ 16.245222
6 TSI30_Metspalu @ 16.583483
7 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 16.764202
8 North_Italian_HGDP @ 17.530367
9 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 19.230648
10 Greek_Dodecad @ 20.025442
11 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 20.852360
12 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 21.262768
13 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 21.364807
14 Murcia_1000Genomes @ 21.449854
15 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 21.452345
16 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 21.913164
17 Andalucia_1000Genomes @ 21.981537
18 Spaniards_Behar @ 22.892649
19 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes @ 23.362490
20 Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes @ 23.776316

 

[matty74]

The Saxons seem to have significant North Germanic and, by extension, 'Finnish' ancestry, so it doesn't surprise me that they wouldn't show a particularly strong affinity to present-day British. I'd think that Orcadians might be an exception.

Mine seems to be all over the map regarding the different DNA sampling companies. I show up heavily as north atlantic/orcadian/west norwegian and now longobard/saxon. I think it confuses me more than anything.

 

[Boreas]

Me vs Turkish

Me
1. Greek (12.01)
2. Bulgarian (13.68)
3. Kosovan (13.90)
4. Greek_Thessaly (14.26)

General Turkish
1. Azeri (6.590)
2. Kurdish (10.73)
3. Georgian_Jewish (11.99)
4. Armenian (12.28)
5. Iranian (12.36)
6. Assyrian (13.23)
7. Sephardic_Jewish (14.64)
8. Lebanese_Muslim (15.46)

Me
Roman + Ottoman (9.003)
Ottoman + Ostrogoth (14.84)
Ottoman (17.11)
Roman (18.24)
Ostrogoth (19.86)

General Turkish
1. *Ostrogoth (13.84)
2. Hellenic Roman + Ottoman (11.05)
3. Hellenic Roman + Ostrogoth (12.49)
4. Ostrogoth (13.84)
5. Hellenic Roman (15.63)
6. Ottoman (19.28)

 

[Mark Polman]

The Saxons seem to have significant North Germanic and, by extension, 'Finnish' ancestry, so it doesn't surprise me that they wouldn't show a particularly strong affinity to present-day British. I'd think that Orcadians might be an exception.

I'm a Frank-Saxon and have a 2.9 distance to the ancient Longobard-Frank samples. My most close relation to present populations is Northern German and Southern Dutch, which is correct related to my documented tree. My third and fourth present population relation on MyTrueAncestry are both English and I'm not aware of any English ancestor. So I would say Saxon is implied in Longobard and the present English population has - as generally accepted - a lot of Saxon ancestry.

 

[markod]

I'm a Frank-Saxon and have a 2.9 distance to the ancient Longobard-Frank samples. My most close relation to present populations is Northern German and Southern Dutch, which is correct related to my documented tree. My third and fourth present population relation on MyTrueAncestry are both English and I'm not aware of any English ancestor. So I would say Saxon is implied in Longobard and the present English population has - as generally accepted - a lot of Saxon ancestry.

I was talking about the ancient Saxon samples. You're not going to be very close to them unless you have lots of Norwegian or Western Finnish ancestry.

 

[Angela]

Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 17.898823
2 Romanians_Behar @ 19.177551
3 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 19.497793
4 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 19.662922
5 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 20.216389
6 TSI30_Metspalu @ 21.445169
7 North_Italian_HGDP @ 22.148018
8 Tuscan_HGDP @ 22.196404
9 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 22.411747
10 Greek_Dodecad @ 24.458960
11 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 24.975294
12 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 25.034306
13 Hungarians_Behar @ 25.313700
14 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 25.327185
15 French_Dodecad @ 25.372885
16 French_HGDP @ 25.603655
17 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 25.726482
18 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 26.093929
19 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 27.091309
20 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 27.183168

Dodecad V3 4-Ancestors Oracle

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuscan_Xing @ 17.232601
2 Tuscan_Henn @ 17.745371
3 TSI_HapMap @ 18.480227
4 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 21.444227
5 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 21.806314
6 Slovenian_Xing @ 21.924429
7 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 22.296892
8 Romanians_14_Behar @ 22.372116
9 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 23.043327
10 Hungarians_Behar @ 23.765650
11 Balkans_Dodecad @ 24.508427
12 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 25.065321
13 Tuscan_HGDP @ 25.422903
14 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 25.914598
15 North_Italian_HGDP @ 26.588444
16 French_HGDP @ 27.245493
17 French_Dodecad @ 27.256750
18 Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 27.760830
19 IBS_1000Genomes @ 27.998789
20 CEU_HapMap @ 28.124374


Dodecad K7b 4-Ancestors Oracle



Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 14.722487
2 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 14.871604
3 Romanians_Behar @ 14.879505
4 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 15.128819
5 Tuscan_HGDP @ 16.245222
6 TSI30_Metspalu @ 16.583483
7 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 16.764202
8 North_Italian_HGDP @ 17.530367
9 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 19.230648
10 Greek_Dodecad @ 20.025442
11 Canarias_1000Genomes @ 20.852360
12 Baleares_1000Genomes @ 21.262768
13 Portuguese_Dodecad @ 21.364807
14 Murcia_1000Genomes @ 21.449854
15 Extremadura_1000Genomes @ 21.452345
16 Galicia_1000Genomes @ 21.913164
17 Andalucia_1000Genomes @ 21.981537
18 Spaniards_Behar @ 22.892649
19 Castilla_Y_Leon_1000Genomes @ 23.362490
20 Castilla_La_Mancha_1000Genomes @ 23.776316

Distant fits, as to be expected given that you have mixed ancestry, but at least your ancestral populations show up. As always, if you have Southern European ancestry, he finds it. Pity he never updated them.

I've forgotten, did he have Amerindian admixed reference samples?

 

[Mark Polman]

I was talking about the ancient Saxon samples. You're not going to be very close to them unless you have lots of Norwegian or Western Finnish ancestry.

Generally, when we are talking about Saxons and Old Saxony (see e.g. Wikipedia for both terms), it's about Northern Germany. No mention of Norway, Sweden or Finland. So what ancient samples of Saxons does MyTrueAncestry use?

 

[markod]

Generally, when we are talking about Saxons and Old Saxony (see e.g. Wikipedia for both terms), it's about Northern Germany. No mention of Norway, Sweden or Finland. So what ancient samples of Saxons does MyTrueAncestry use?

Iron Age samples from Hinxton.