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[Riverman]

This site is quite helpful for a quick check on the samples with a modern comparison:
https://ancientdnarelatives.blogspot.com/p/ancient-dna-samples.html

Don't know whether it was brought up before.

Examples:
My top Neolithic match = 23. Czech Bilina_N_Baalberge CWC (3600 BC) ..... 12.23

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[FONT=&quot]I6696 Czech Bilina_N_Baalberge CWC (3600 BC)[/FONT]
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[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]1. North_German (11.38)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2. Czech (12.82)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3. East_German (13.06)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4. Danish (13.16)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5. South_Dutch (13.33)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6. German_Central (13.86)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7. North_Dutch (14.41)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8. North_Swedish (14.61)[/FONT]

Top Iron Age = 5. Western-Scythian Black Sea (290 BC) ..... 8.763

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[FONT=&quot]MJ34 Western-Scythian Black Sea (290 BC)[/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]1. Czech (6.024)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2. Austrian (8.750)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3. East_German (10.54)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4. Hungarian (11.74)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5. Croatian (13.01)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6. Slovenian (13.79)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7. North_German (14.10)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8. German_Central (14.77)[/FONT]

 

[Archetype0ne]

Thanks for suggesting the site Riverman.


R36 Roman/Illyrian Celio Military Hospital (500 AD)

1. North_Italian (7.654)
2. Tuscan (10.36)
3. Portuguese (11.95)
4. Spanish_Galicia (12.55)
5. Spanish_Extremadura (12.56)
6. Spanish_Murcia (13.08)
7. Spanish_Cataluna (13.68)
8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (14.10)

I4332 Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC)

1. North_Italian (7.591)
2. Portuguese (10.32)
3. Spanish_Galicia (10.33)
4. Spanish_Extremadura (11.85)
5. Spanish_Cataluna (11.95)
6. Spanish_Murcia (12.65)
7. Tuscan (12.74)
8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (13.02)


I3313 Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC)

1. Spanish_Extremadura (6.749)
2. Spanish_Murcia (6.887)
3. Spanish_Cataluna (6.957)
4. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (7.206)
5. Spanish_Andalucia (7.233)
6. Spanish_Valencia (7.494)
7. North_Italian (7.731)
8. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (7.798)


Illyrian samples have a very peculiar affinity with Spanish... anyone has an explanation for this?

Edit: Even the Thracian sample for that matter:

I5769 Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC)

1. North_Italian (7.591)
2. Portuguese (10.32)
3. Spanish_Galicia (10.33)
4. Spanish_Extremadura (11.85)
5. Spanish_Cataluna (11.95)
6. Spanish_Murcia (12.65)
7. Tuscan (12.74)
8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (13.02)

What is this genetic continuity that connects the Balkans to Iberia? Is there any historical factors that catalyzed this?

Edit 2: I am guessing Albania proper and Kosovo, North Macedonian Albanian populations are not in the reference populations since I do not see them mentioned anywhere on that site.

 

[Riverman]

@ArchetypeOne: I think its at least not completely arbitrary and reflects the "pre-situation" before Greek, Roman, Germanic, Slavic, Hungarian etc. influxes. What this checks is obviously just a similar proportion of the main deeper ancestral components for the most part. These can be reached in different ways, like coming from one similar population or having two in a comparable mixture.

 

[Palermo Trapani]

Salento/Duarte Thanks. I was using the Ceasar level, as I noted, but after seeing your results and Duarte's with the Zeus level and MTA offering that nice discount could not resist the temptation so I got it. I must admit, after getting Zeus, they have the what I call "temptation disclosures" as they show you that you have other matches, but you have to upgrade to Lighting. It is kind of like when I was a young guy in college, "Spirit is willing, but flesh is weak" I hope the mods don't ding me for that one, it is all tongue and cheek.

Salento: Magna Graecia was in your neck of the woods in Puglia, but in mine as well. Selinunte sits on the Southern tip of Trapani, further North is Segesta, which while not on this map, has some ancient Greek ruins (Temple). The Colosseum there was built by the Romans, in the Greek style, and is still used today for plays and music concerts. I have some pics from both of those places, maybe I can post them in in the European travel thread. On my Fathers side, my paternal Great-grandfather was born in the Belice Valley North of Selinunte and do East of Segesta. I have working on family history and trying to document where all the Great-Grand parents came from, been able to trace some lineages back to the 1700's.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe..._Graecia_ancient_colonies_and_dialects-en.svg

With respect to the Dodecad K7b distances I refer to in my post #2390, those are presented in my post #2010 in the "Minoans/Mycenaens" thread and I use the coordinates provided by Jovialis that he provided for us in his post #2006. I didn't want to edit my post #2390 after Duarte and Salento had already quoted it, much respect to both you guys for making me feel welcome here.

Cheers.

 

[Archetype0ne]

@ArchetypeOne: I think its at least not completely arbitrary and reflects the "pre-situation" before Greek, Roman, Germanic, Slavic, Hungarian etc. influxes. What this checks is obviously just a similar proportion of the main deeper ancestral components for the most part. These can be reached in different ways, like coming from one similar population or having two in a comparable mixture.

So what these calculators do is compare similarities in the ratio of admixture components? Without discriminating where these components come from?
If so how useful are they?
Do you happen to know what the main difference between Gedmatch calculators and G25 calculators is? I do not know how to phrase this question since I lack the technical knowledge... but do they both just use PCAs to spatially plot samples then compare the distance of the plot? Say x person with parents from Portugal and Russia would plot as a central European ? With closest matches being say German, French, Polish etc or would the closest matches include Portugal and Russia?

Sorry if the question makes no sense... not sure I communicated properly.

 

[Riverman]

So what these calculators do is compare similarities in the ratio of admixture components? Without discriminating where these components come from?
If so how useful are they?
Do you happen to know what the main difference between Gedmatch calculators and G25 calculators is? I do not know how to phrase this question since I lack the technical knowledge... but do they both just use PCAs to spatially plot samples then compare the distance of the plot? Say x person with parents from Portugal and Russia would plot as a central European ? With closest matches being say German, French, Polish etc or would the closest matches include Portugal and Russia?

Sorry if the question makes no sense... not sure I communicated properly.

I'm the wrong person to answer you the question comprehensively, I'm very bad on the technical level as well. But there is a simple truth to all these calculators: They depend on the algorithm and the samples they are using. If one fails, the other fails too.

An individual with ancestry from Portugal and Russia can plot, actually has to, on a lot of PCA's in Central Europe. But there are methods to distinguish these components, with statistical fits and tools like admixture. However, if there is no perfect source population, any algorithm can just choose the next best one.

The Thracians were already mixed people too, a mixture of steppe with Balkan populations. So any population with the same mixture shoudl plot similarly. What they tried to add at MTA is how much IBD sharing you have. If you combine both, its better. Yet for a lot of populations even that is a tricky thing. Just imagine how many Western European males came from the same R1b clan form the Bronze Age. They all share segments with these patriarch.
So how do you want to distinguish a Bell Beaker from a later Celt, if there was a difference? Much harder to do than to finding the difference between a Neolithic Sardinian and someone from Yamnaya. The closer a people are, the trickier it gets and the more detailed the analysis must be. Yet, many ancient DNA samples are, which makes it worse, of bad quality. So you can't even compare the whole variation, just a limited part of it.

So I think its fun and great to see, but there is always room for improvement. Not just for this tool, but even for the scientific evaluation. Like they still can't determine for sure how much archaic DNA might be in Subsaharan Africans. There are better and worse models, but without the real sample, which they might never get for some ancestries, all calculations are, so far, unreliable models. Even the Neandertal admixture calculated for modern people is just a model for the most part, because its based on a subtraction. But this only works out if the assumption of one population having zero Neandertal admixture is right. If, like some recent results and models suggest, Subsaharan Africans have Neandertal admixtue too, and if the Neandertal genome, which introgressed into modern humans, was more like Homo sapiens even before, than the H.n. samples used, you get completely different numbers.

Many results are therefore just preliminary, even for such important questions as archaic introgression into H.s.

 

[Archetype0ne]

 

[torzio]

no change for me

1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 4.076 - R1 -
Top 99 % match vs all users


2. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.332 - SZ28 - ?
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3. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 8.455 - OBS137 - ?
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4. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave (590 AD) ..... 8.676 - SZ37 -
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5. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.937 - I3313 -
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6. Bronze Age Szolad Hungary (1000 BC) ..... 9.36 - SZ1
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7. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 9.695 - SZ36 -
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8. Central Roman (630 AD) ..... 9.874 - CL36 - ?
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9. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 10.0 - scy197b -
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Scythian are really Getae-Thracians from border modern romania-moldova as there are no scythians there in BC times...............

 

[Stolfi1]

Hello All, I've been trying to figure out for the longest time where my French DNA comes from as my paper trail is Italy on my father's side (Southern Italy - Calabria and Basilicata region). My mother's side is English (paternal side has been here since the 1640's - his mother's side was German - surname Roraback) and her maternal side is Irish/Scottish and then German (only know that they had Prussia as the country they came from). I have cut and pasted my results from MyTrueAncestry and then my mom's and am wondering if anyone can read deeper into the results for me. What's strange is that I thought my father's side might have a Longobard connection, but it seems there might be a connection on my mother's side. Any information at all that anyone could give me would be greatly appreciated. I'm having a hard time deciphering the information in a meaningful way. Thank you in advance!

My results:

Gaul + Roman (2.732)
Roman + Frank (2.732)
Thuringii + Roman (5.018)
Gaul + Illyrian (5.796)
Thuringii + Illyrian (6.612)
Gaul (7.471)
Roman (9.088)
Illyrian (9.742)
Frank (9.996)
Thuringii (11.38)

1. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 7.471 - SZ45 -
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2. Central Roman (630 AD) ..... 9.088 - CL36 - ?
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3. Frankish-Gallic Lombard Grave (590 AD) ..... 9.352 - SZ27
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4. Medieval Piedmont (580 AD) ..... 9.621 - CL57 -
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5. Relic French King Louis XVI (1793 AD) ..... 9.635 - LXVI -
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6. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 9.742 - I3313 -
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7. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 9.956 - scy311 -
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8. Medieval Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 9.995 - I12649 -
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9. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (580 AD) ..... 9.996 - CL47 - ?
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10. Roman/Illyrian Celio Military Hospital (500 AD) ..... 10.18 - R36 -
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11. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 10.35 - R1 -
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12. Bronze Age Szolad Hungary (1000 BC) ..... 10.36 - SZ1
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13. North Central Lombard (580 AD) ..... 10.78 - CL63 -
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14. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 10.85 - OBS137 - ?
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15. Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave (580 AD) ..... 10.99 - CL94 -
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16. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1355 AD) ..... 11.01 - R55 -
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17. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 11.17 - I4331 -
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18. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 11.35 - I2515
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19. Thuringii Tribe (420 AD) ..... 11.38 - AED_1108 -
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20. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 11.4 - I12515 -
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21. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) ..... 11.46 - DA199 -
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22. Medieval Tyrolian (580 AD) ..... 11.7 - CL53 -
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23. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.74 - SZ28 - ?
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24. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.81 - SZ43 -
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25. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 12.04 - SZ18 -
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26. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) ..... 12.08 - I12031 -
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27. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 12.15 - I4332 -
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28. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 12.17 - I2649
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29. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 12.18 - scy197b -
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30. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 12.22 - I12514 -
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31. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 12.35 - NS3c - ?
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32. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.47 - SZ36 -
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33. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 12.5 - I2514
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34. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 12.51 - scy192 -
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35. Medieval France Saint-Laurent-de-la-Cabrerisse (1348 AD) ..... 12.53 - SLC1006 - ?
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36. Swiss Germanic (580 AD) ..... 12.67 - CL102 - ?
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37. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague (1348 AD) ..... 12.79 - BSS31
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38. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance (1650 AD) ..... 12.98 - R970 -
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39. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) ..... 13.12 - I12163 -
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40. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 13.33 - NS3b - ?
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41. Post-Reconquista Granada (1550 AD) ..... 13.34 - I7425 -
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42. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 13.42 - SZ32 - ?
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43. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 13.45 - I12647 -
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44. Medieval La Palma Sardinia (941 AD) ..... 13.57 - I12221
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45. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave (590 AD) ..... 13.63 - SZ37 -
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46. Roman Empire Monterotondo (165 AD) ..... 14.02 - R1540
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47. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1355 AD) ..... 14.12 - R61 -
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48. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 14.3 - I2647
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49. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 14.31 - R60 -
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50. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 14.38 - OBS116 - ?
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51. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (1485 AD) ..... 14.48 - R1221 -
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52. Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France (1793 AD) ..... 14.58 - Marat -
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53. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (580 AD) ..... 14.78 - CL47b
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54. Imperial Rome Mausoleo Augusto (500 AD) ..... 14.87 - R33 -
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55. Visigoth Frankish Girona (550 AD) ..... 14.94 - I12032 -
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56. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 14.98 - I3981 -
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57. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (1429 AD) ..... 15.09 - R1287 -
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58. Roman Villa Tarragona (350 AD) ..... 15.25 - I6491 -
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59. Roman Mix San Ercolano (500 AD) ..... 15.37 - R118 -
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60. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 15.39 - SI-41 -
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My Mother's Results:

Visigoth + Saxon (3.149)
Viking Danish + Visigoth (3.782)
Viking + Frank (3.844)
Viking Danish + Frank (4.58)
Viking + Visigoth (4.663)
Frank (5.392)
Visigoth (8.51)
Viking Danish (9.203)
Saxon (9.369)
Viking (10.98)

1. Medieval Denmark (1250 AD) ..... 4.987 - G24 -
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2. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) ..... 5.392 - SZ38 - ?
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3. Medieval Netherlands Plague II (1360 AD) ..... 7.437 - Ber45 - ?
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4. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) ..... 7.668 - SZ23 -
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5. Visigoth Frankish Girona (550 AD) ..... 8.411 - I12032 -
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6. Germanic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 8.477 - SZ42 -
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7. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) ..... 8.499 - Shohola -
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8. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) ..... 8.51 - I12163 -
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9. Post Viking Denmark Odense (1250 AD) ..... 9.203 - G48 -
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10. Germanic Medieval Denmark (1270 AD) ..... 9.326 - G119 -
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11. Anglo Saxon (780 AD) ..... 9.369 - Hinxton HS3 -
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12. Saxon Hinxton (720 AD) ..... 9.37 - HinxtonO1 -
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13. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 9.535 - SZ18 -
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14. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 9.541 - ALH_1 -
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15. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) ..... 9.647 - Unknown
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16. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) ..... 9.676 - I1767 -
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17. Celtic-Saxon Hinxton Iron Age (67 BC) ..... 9.73 - HI1 -
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18. Bronze Age Covesea Cave Scotland (2000 BC) ..... 9.732 - I3132 -
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19. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) ..... 9.766 - I2981 -
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20. Post Viking Denmark Tirup (1200 AD) ..... 9.773 - G300 -
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21. Swede Medieval Denmark (1250 AD) ..... 9.812 - G208 -
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22. Germanic Lombard Szolad (590 AD) ..... 9.835 - SZ3 -
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23. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) ..... 9.849 - I12162 -
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24. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) ..... 9.987 - I0112 -
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25. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) ..... 10.17 - I5471 -
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26. Young Merovingian Noble (605 AD) ..... 10.17 - NS6 -
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27. Franco Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1215 AD) ..... 10.19 - R62 -
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28. Nordic Medieval Denmark (1250 AD) ..... 10.24 - G53
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29. Late Iron Age Linton Cambridgeshire (205 BC) ..... 10.28 - Linton -
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30. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 10.35 - SZ14 -
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31. Germanic Tribe Spreitenbach CWC Switzerland (2660 BC) ..... 10.5 - MX190 -
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32. Ollsjo Battleaxe Sweden (2860 BC) ..... 10.5 - oll007 -
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33. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) ..... 10.53 - BIM_33 -
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34. Scotland Late Bronze Age (900 BC) ..... 10.53 - I2860 -
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35. Cambridgeshire Iron Age (205 BC) ..... 10.63 - 15594A -
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36. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) ..... 10.71 - I2452 -
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37. Celto-Germanic Medieval Denmark (1270 AD) ..... 10.73 - G21 -
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38. Early Bronze Age Thames (1800 BC) ..... 10.73 - I5377 -
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39. North Central Lombard (580 AD) ..... 10.74 - CL63 -
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40. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) ..... 10.74 - I2568 -
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41. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 10.86 - SZ15 -
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42. Viking Saxon Iceland (1104 AD) ..... 10.9 - TSK-A26 -
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43. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2150 BC) ..... 10.92 - I5512 -
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44. Zerniki Wielkie Bronze Age Poland (2175 BC) ..... 10.97 - I6583 -
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45. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 10.98 - Sigtuna stg021 -
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46. High Status Male Haunstetten (1946 BC) ..... 11.0 - POST_6 -
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47. Viking Denmark Revshale (1080 AD) ..... 11.03 - Revshale16 -
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48. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 11.03 - stg021 - ?
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49. Late Medieval Icelandic Murderer (1678 AD) ..... 11.06 - KOV-A2 -
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50. Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 11.06 - 3DRIF-16 -
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51. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 11.12 - SZ5 -
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52. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) ..... 11.15 - I5383 -
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53. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 11.15 - ALH_10 -
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54. Celt Hinxton Iron Age (45 BC) ..... 11.19 - HI2 -
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55. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 11.19 - 6DRIF-21 -
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56. Germanic Tribe Spreitenbach CWC Switzerland (2260 BC) ..... 11.2 - MX195 -
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57. Swiss Germanic (580 AD) ..... 11.2 - CL102 - ?
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58. Alemannic Saxon Bavaria (485 AD) ..... 11.23 - AED_249 -
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59. Medieval Upper Bavaria Germany (1068 AD) ..... 11.3 - Petersberg -
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60. Viking Celtic Boat Burial Iceland (925 AD) ..... 11.46 - VDP-A6 -
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[Riverman]

@Stolfi1: Why do you think you have a specific French ancestry? Because of your MTA result? If so, your mother is just quite on the Northern/Northern Central/Germanic side of things and your father was probably mostly a typical more Southern Italian. If you mix these two components the end result simply imitates a Northern French/North Italian Lombard mix etc. So its not necessarily you have an actual recent French ancestry, your mix just approaches, more globally, that of many French. You ended up in a similar position because your family is the recent equivalent to the ancient mix. Or did you mean something else?

 

[Salento]

Wow. 100% Gallo-Roman, lol lol. They make labeling mistakes. @ Stuvannè had already warned about this.

@Duarte

just in case ..., I compared a couple of Kits.

yep ... my Ancestors didn’t get along with the Gauls at all

 

[Stolfi1]

Riverman: I guess I'm curious about the French because it keeps coming up under my DNA results on sites (AncestryDNA and here) and it's not coming up for any of my full siblings or my mother. You're right that my father is a typical Italian (100% from Southern Italy mixed with some Spanish and Portuguese on the Calabrian line of his ancestry). I posted my results and my mother's results from AncestryDNA and here (mine are the ones with the Italian DNA). The French is the only thing that isn't making sense to me. Although, I thought I read that German and French DNA are hard to distinguish from each other, so maybe my French is really the same as my mother's German DNA (if that makes sense). I read that AncestryDNA's Northwest European results include some German. On a separate note, I'm surprised how accurate MTA is with their results - they seem pretty spot on.


My AncestryDNA results:

Italy 39%
Ireland/Scotland 26%
France 17%
Germanic European 8%
Greece & the Balkans 5%
English, Wales & Northwestern Europe 3%


My Results from MTA:


1. North_Italian (8.578)
2. Portuguese (10.94)
3. Spanish_Galicia (11.17)
4. French (11.46)
5. Spanish_Cataluna (11.78)
6. Tuscan (11.79)
7. Spanish_Extremadura (11.97)
8. Spanish_Murcia (12.33)


My Mother's AncestryDNA results:

England, Wales & Northwestern Europe 45%
Ireland/Scotland 44%
Norway 9%
Germanic Europe 2%


My Mother's MTA Results:
1. Flemish (5.441)
2. West_German (6.087)
3. South_Dutch (6.879)
4. North_German (6.943)
5. Danish (8.004)
6. Southeast_English (8.238)
7. North_Dutch (8.262)
8. Southwest_English (8.702)

 

[Regio X]

no change for me

1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 4.076 - R1 -
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2. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.332 - SZ28 - ?
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3. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 8.455 - OBS137 - ?
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4. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave (590 AD) ..... 8.676 - SZ37 -
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5. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.937 - I3313 -
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6. Bronze Age Szolad Hungary (1000 BC) ..... 9.36 - SZ1
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7. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 9.695 - SZ36 -
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8. Central Roman (630 AD) ..... 9.874 - CL36 - ?
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9. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 10.0 - scy197b -
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Scythian are really Getae-Thracians from border modern romania-moldova as there are no scythians there in BC times...............

For obvious reasons, similar to mine here (my mother is the green dot; my father, the blue; I'm the other).
That "Illyrian" and myself plot somewhat close to one another in this PCA, which is certainly related to our little distance at MTA's Oracle.

 

[Palermo Trapani]

no change for me

1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 4.076 - R1 -
Top 99 % match vs all users


2. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.332 - SZ28 - ?
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3. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 8.455 - OBS137 - ?
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4. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave (590 AD) ..... 8.676 - SZ37 -
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5. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.937 - I3313 -
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6. Bronze Age Szolad Hungary (1000 BC) ..... 9.36 - SZ1
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7. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 9.695 - SZ36 -
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8. Central Roman (630 AD) ..... 9.874 - CL36 - ?
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9. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 10.0 - scy197b -
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Scythian are really Getae-Thracians from border modern romania-moldova as there are no scythians there in BC times...............

Torzio: I really like that plot. Using my National Geographic DNA results, which they try to estimate ancestry from 500 to 10,000 years ago (there words not mine), it gives me a clear picture of where those reference popuations they use plot on your graph

 

[Salento]

@Stolfi1

The Calabresi are not a mix of Spanish and Portuguese,

Generally they're Italians, Southern Italians, and some Ancient Greek.

 

[Palermo Trapani]

@Stolfi1

The Calabresi are not a mix of Spanish and Portuguese,

Generally they're Italians, Southern Italians, and some Ancient Greek.

I would concur with Salento on this.

 

[Stolfi1]

Salento and Palermo Trapani: I won't disagree as I'm sure you both know more than I do. My Italian roots are from Avigliano and Verzino, Calabria. When researching ancestor's from Verzino, I am seeing alot of DNA matches with Portuguese roots - which I presume now is an anomaly. Also, many of them settled in Fall River, MA which has a very, very large Portuguese settlement. My brother's genetic profile on MTA was pretty different than mine (we are 100% full siblings). He shows way less Spanish/Portuguese than I.

Here's my brother's genetic profile:

1. Tuscan (11.09)
2. North_Italian (11.32)
3. Kosovar (12.56)
4. Romanian (13.12)
5. Bulgarian (13.93)
6. Serbian (13.98)
7. Greek_Thessaly (14.08)
8. Italian_Abruzzo (14.56)

1. Central Roman (630 AD) ..... 9.006 - CL36 - ?
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2. Bronze Age Szolad Hungary (1000 BC) ..... 9.082 - SZ1
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3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 9.978 - SZ43 -
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4. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague (1348 AD) ..... 10.21 - BSS31
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99 %​

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5. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 11.32 - SZ45 -
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93 %​

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6. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.35 - SZ36 -
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97 %​

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7. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 11.52 - R1 -
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8. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance (1650 AD) ..... 11.58 - R970 -
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99 %​

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9. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 11.65 - NS3b - ?
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98 %​

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10. Frankish-Gallic Lombard Grave (590 AD) ..... 11.97 - SZ27
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93 %​

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11. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 12.09 - R60 -
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97 %​

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12. Roman/Illyrian Celio Military Hospital (500 AD) ..... 12.33 - R36 -
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97 %​

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13. Relic French King Louis XVI (1793 AD) ..... 12.5 - LXVI -
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97 %​

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14. Medieval Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 12.71 - I12649 -
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96 %​

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15. Roman Villa Tarragona (350 AD) ..... 12.75 - I6491 -
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16. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) ..... 12.92 - I12031 -
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92 %​

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17. Roman Empire Monterotondo (165 AD) ..... 12.92 - R1540
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98 %​

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18. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave (590 AD) ..... 13.6 - SZ37 -
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98 %​

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19. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 13.6 - I3313 -
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93 %​

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20. North Central Lombard (580 AD) ..... 13.66 - CL63 -
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68 %​

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21. Medieval Piedmont (580 AD) ..... 13.68 - CL57 -
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89 %​

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22. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 13.8 - SZ32 - ?
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97 %​

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23. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 14.07 - I2515
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24. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 14.28 - SI-41 -
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98 %​

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25. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.33 - I12515 -
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94 %​

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26. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1355 AD) ..... 14.34 - R55 -
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93 %​

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27. Thuringii Tribe (420 AD) ..... 14.35 - AED_1108 -
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80 %​

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28. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 14.38 - SZ28 - ?
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94 %​

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29. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 14.43 - I4331 -
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94 %​

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30. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 14.49 - NS3c - ?
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95 %​

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31. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 14.57 - I2514
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94 %​

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32. Tuscan Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (1350 AD) ..... 14.66 - R1290 -
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96 %​

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33. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (580 AD) ..... 14.68 - CL47 - ?
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60 %​

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34. Imperial Rome Cluana Ancona (165 AD) ..... 14.8 - R835 -
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97 %​

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35. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.87 - scy311 -
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64 %​

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36. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) ..... 14.89 - DA199 -
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79 %​

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37. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 15.05 - scy192 -
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95 %​

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38. Medieval Tyrolian (580 AD) ..... 15.41 - CL53 -
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64 %​

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39. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 15.42 - R107 -
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40. Central Roman (580 AD) ..... 15.55 - CL121 -
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41. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 15.55 - OBS137 - ?
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90 %​

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42. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) ..... 15.7 - SZ40 - ?
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96 %​

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43. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 15.71 - scy197b -
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93 %​

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44. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) ..... 15.71 - I12163 -
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47 %​

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45. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 15.82 - I12514 -
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92 %​

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46. Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave (580 AD) ..... 15.9 - CL94 -
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88 %​

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47. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 15.93 - I4332 -
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93 %​

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48. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave (590 AD) ..... 15.95 - SZ31
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97 %​

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49. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 15.95 - SZ18 -
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44 %​

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50. Justinian Plague Victim (760 AD) ..... 15.98 - LSD021 - ?
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96 %​

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51. Hellenic Roman Marcellino (400 AD) ..... 16.04 - R136 -
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95 %​

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52. Roman Mix San Ercolano (500 AD) ..... 16.16 - R118 -
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53. Medieval La Palma Sardinia (941 AD) ..... 16.38 - I12221
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96 %​

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54. Medieval France Saint-Laurent-de-la-Cabrerisse (1348 AD) ..... 16.42 - SLC1006 - ?
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55. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance (1650 AD) ..... 16.61 - R969 -
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56. Post-Reconquista Granada (1550 AD) ..... 16.63 - I7425 -
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93 %​

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57. Swiss Germanic (580 AD) ..... 16.75 - CL102 - ?
Top

42 %​

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58. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 16.82 - I2649
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92 %​

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59. Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France (1793 AD) ..... 16.88 - Marat -
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79 %​

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60. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 16.96 - I12647 -
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94 %​

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Here's my genetic profile again:

1. North_Italian (8.578)
2. Portuguese (10.94)
3. Spanish_Galicia (11.17)
4. French (11.46)
5. Spanish_Cataluna (11.78)
6. Tuscan (11.79)
7. Spanish_Extremadura (11.97)
8. Spanish_Murcia (12.33)

1. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 7.471 - SZ45 -
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2. Central Roman (630 AD) ..... 9.088 - CL36 - ?
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98 %​

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3. Frankish-Gallic Lombard Grave (590 AD) ..... 9.352 - SZ27
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98 %​

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4. Medieval Piedmont (580 AD) ..... 9.621 - CL57 -
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98 %​

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5. Relic French King Louis XVI (1793 AD) ..... 9.635 - LXVI -
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99 %​

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6. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 9.742 - I3313 -
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98 %​

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7. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 9.956 - scy311 -
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94 %​

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8. Medieval Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 9.995 - I12649 -
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99 %​

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9. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (580 AD) ..... 9.996 - CL47 - ?
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94 %​

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10. Roman/Illyrian Celio Military Hospital (500 AD) ..... 10.18 - R36 -
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11. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 10.35 - R1 -
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12. Bronze Age Szolad Hungary (1000 BC) ..... 10.36 - SZ1
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13. North Central Lombard (580 AD) ..... 10.78 - CL63 -
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88 %​

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14. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 10.85 - OBS137 - ?
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98 %​

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15. Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave (580 AD) ..... 10.99 - CL94 -
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96 %​

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16. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1355 AD) ..... 11.01 - R55 -
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17. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 11.17 - I4331 -
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18. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 11.35 - I2515
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19. Thuringii Tribe (420 AD) ..... 11.38 - AED_1108 -
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20. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 11.4 - I12515 -
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21. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) ..... 11.46 - DA199 -
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22. Medieval Tyrolian (580 AD) ..... 11.7 - CL53 -
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23. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.74 - SZ28 - ?
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24. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.81 - SZ43 -
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25. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 12.04 - SZ18 -
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26. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) ..... 12.08 - I12031 -
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27. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 12.15 - I4332 -
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28. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 12.17 - I2649
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29. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 12.18 - scy197b -
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30. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 12.22 - I12514 -
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31. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 12.35 - NS3c - ?
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32. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.47 - SZ36 -
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33. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 12.5 - I2514
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34. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 12.51 - scy192 -
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35. Medieval France Saint-Laurent-de-la-Cabrerisse (1348 AD) ..... 12.53 - SLC1006 - ?
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97 %​

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36. Swiss Germanic (580 AD) ..... 12.67 - CL102 - ?
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75 %​

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37. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague (1348 AD) ..... 12.79 - BSS31
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38. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance (1650 AD) ..... 12.98 - R970 -
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39. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) ..... 13.12 - I12163 -
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72 %​

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40. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 13.33 - NS3b - ?
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41. Post-Reconquista Granada (1550 AD) ..... 13.34 - I7425 -
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42. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 13.42 - SZ32 - ?
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98 %​

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43. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 13.45 - I12647 -
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44. Medieval La Palma Sardinia (941 AD) ..... 13.57 - I12221
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45. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave (590 AD) ..... 13.63 - SZ37 -
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46. Roman Empire Monterotondo (165 AD) ..... 14.02 - R1540
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47. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1355 AD) ..... 14.12 - R61 -
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48. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 14.3 - I2647
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49. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 14.31 - R60 -
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50. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 14.38 - OBS116 - ?
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77 %​

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51. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (1485 AD) ..... 14.48 - R1221 -
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52. Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France (1793 AD) ..... 14.58 - Marat -
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53. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (580 AD) ..... 14.78 - CL47b
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54. Imperial Rome Mausoleo Augusto (500 AD) ..... 14.87 - R33 -
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55. Visigoth Frankish Girona (550 AD) ..... 14.94 - I12032 -
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56. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 14.98 - I3981 -
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57. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (1429 AD) ..... 15.09 - R1287 -
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58. Roman Villa Tarragona (350 AD) ..... 15.25 - I6491 -
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59. Roman Mix San Ercolano (500 AD) ..... 15.37 - R118 -
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60. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 15.39 - SI-41 -
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[Palermo Trapani]

Stfolfi1: So your ancestry on your Father's side is Italian from Calabria and your Mother is French/German ancestry. Do I have that correct? I am not sure this is the place to post your results, but the Eurogenes K36 calculator is one that I think has a function that you can model your Fathers Calabrian Italian ancestry and your Mothers French/German, and see what happens. Talk to some of the moderators about what are the strengths and weaknesses of the Eurogenes K36, if you have questions. I am pretty sure there is a forum to post your Eurogenes K36 results. It might be a way for you to sort out the question you are asking. There might be some other calculators that you could try, but I can't think of one off the top of my head. Maybe the Moderators can help you out.

 

[Salento]

@Stolfi1

Often, these types of calculators have problems with mixed ancestries.

... for example: the child of an English father and an Italian mother from Naples will often get Northern Italian (a genetic middle road).

The Iberians that you get, imho could be a common ancestry with many Northern Italians, but in your case neither of the 2 are that legit. I Think

 

[Duarte]

@Duarte

just in case ..., I compared a couple of Kits.

yep ... my Ancestors didn’t get along with the Gauls at all

@Salento. I remember that one of the first controversies about the label given by MTA to ancient samples was the labeling of samples from the early bronze age in Dalmatia as samples of Illyrians. It was suggested that they should be labeled only as 'Dalmatia BA'. However, MTA maintains the Illyrians label for these samples until the present moment, which means that my main ethnic component in the EBA are Illyrians. Taking advantage of the occasion, I post my MTA’s ‘Ancient Breakdown By Era’ of the Early Bronze Age, where, due to the two latest updates, the Rhaeti and Ligurians peoples appears.