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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
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    ... 300 BC Latin R437 is a x3 Pugliese,
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    ... what say you ? :)
    Salento: No doubt. Sicily representing itself well there as well, particularly the area in the NW where the Provinces of Trapani and Palermo border each other, or Palermo and Trapani pardon the pun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
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    Interesting. So eba Mokrin is more similar to occitan and catalans then to balkan people todays?
    Is that right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    Salento: No doubt. Sicily representing itself well there as well, particularly the area in the NW where the Provinces of Trapani and Palermo border each other, or Palermo and Trapani pardon the pun.
    by now we all know that every Kit / Oracle gives a different prediction, ... they go all over the place, ... but we get the general idea, :)

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    And the update of my kit (grey point) compared to Sant Julià de Ramis I10897 (White point)



    A fruitful week in terms of obtaining and new conversions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
    Interesting. So eba Mokrin is more similar to occitan and catalans then to balkan people todays?
    Is that right?
    Hi Wanderer.

    Yes. At least these samples that matches with me. The study suggests a great degree of mobility and exogamy in the EBA Mokrin people.

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    Twenty-four ancient genomes with an average sequencing coverage of 0.85±0.25 X were produced from the Mokrin necropolis, an Early Bronze Age (2,100-1,800 BC) Maros culture site in Serbia, to provide unambiguous identification of biological sex, population structure, and genetic kinship between individuals. Of the 24 investigated individuals, 15 were involved in kinship relationships of varying degrees, including 3 parent-offspring relationships. All observed parent-offspring pairs were mother and son. In addition to the absence of biological daughters, we observed a number of young women and girls with no biological relatives in our sample. These observations, together with the high mitochondrial diversity in our sample, are consistent with the practice of female exogamy in the population served by Mokrin. However, moderate-to-high Y-chromosomal diversity suggests a degree of male mobility greater than that expected under strict patrilocality. Individual status differences at Mokrin, as indicated by grave goods, support the inference that females could inherit status, but could not transmit status to all their sons. The case of a son whose grave good richness outstrips that of his biological mother suggests that sons had the possibility to acquire status during their lifetimes. The Mokrin sample resembles a genetically unstructured population, suggesting that the community’s social hierarchies were not accompanied by strict marriage barriers.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
    Interesting. So eba Mokrin is more similar to occitan and catalans then to balkan people todays?
    Is that right?
    The individual Mokrin genomes are best modelled as a mixture of Central European hunter-gatherers, Aegean Neolithic farmers and influences from the Eastern European steppes (mean qpAdm tail probability individually 0.46, pooled 0.08).
    We observed no significant variation in the eastern European steppe-like component between individuals. Pooling individuals, admixture proportions are estimated to be around 8% (± 1.2% SE) western hunter gatherers, 55% (± 2.5% SE) Aegean Neolithic farmers, and 37% (± 2.3% SE) Eastern European steppe-like population.


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    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1-Y33791
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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    there is, in the cultural entity of the Early Maros Culture, a kind of regional exclave of the Danubian EBA in south-eastern Hungary/ south-western Romania/northern Serbia, far outside its core area north of the Alps. The arrangement of the cemeteries, the burials and burial customs, and the material culture found at sites such as Sándorfalva-Eperjes, co. Csongrád (Hungary; Trogmayer 2001) and Kiskundorozsma-Hosszúhát-halom near Szeged, co. Csongrád (Hungary; Bende/ Lörinczy 2002), complemented by the earliest graves in the cemetery of Mokrin (Wagner 2009),

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    Salento: No doubt. Sicily representing itself well there as well, particularly the area in the NW where the Provinces of Trapani and Palermo border each other, or Palermo and Trapani pardon the pun.
    @PalermoT

    in dodecad K7: add your coordinates to SOURCE, cut R437, paste on TARGET, run it!
    I think it would show you're R437 Top Match :)

    ... same with me, but you should be closer to R437 than me.

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    (I shorten R437 name, ... too long) lol

    Last edited by Salento; 07-12-20 at 18:37. Reason: added R437 dod K7, with me on Source

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    ... same as above, but with Dod W9 :)
    (ask Jovialis where the coordinates are, ... I ran it a while ago)


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    ... my top dodecad K13




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    Salento: Regarding your post #3211, I will take a look at what you suggested. Thanks

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    Salento: R437_Latin_Prenestini as Target. I included my K7 Dodecad Coordinates along with all the other K7 Dodecad ancient coordinates. Just as you suggested, I am pretty close to R437. I think statistically there isn't much of a difference between Me, You and our Iron Age amico R437. We are all pretty darn close!

    Distance to: C6_Iron_Age_Mediterranean:R437_(Latin_Prenestini_T ribe)_Palestrina_Selicata
    0.83982141 PalermoTrapani
    1.44450684 C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R131_Via_Paisiello_Necro polis
    1.57241852 C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R58_Villa_Magna
    1.75128524 C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R56_Villa_Magna
    1.83040979 C5_Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R122_S_Erc olano_Necropolis_Ostia
    1.93958759 C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R59_Villa_Magna
    1.95276727 C5_Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R32_Mausol e_di_Augusto
    2.20451809 C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R52_Villa_Magna
    2.49657766 C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R35_Celio
    2.50810686 C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1290_Villa_Magna
    3.01693553 C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R47_Centocelle_Necropoli s
    3.02354097 C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R113_Via_Paisiello_Necro polis
    3.46463562 C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R57_Villa_Magna
    3.55280171 Foggia_MA:VK535
    3.64666971 C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R49_Centocelle_Necropoli s
    3.86522962 C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R117_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    3.87320281 C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R54_Villa_Magna
    3.91605669 C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R65_Villa_Magna
    4.13098051 C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R973_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cian ti
    4.17784634 C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R835_Civitanova_Marche
    4.23749926 C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R107_Crypta_Balbi
    4.33144318 Foggia_MA:VK537
    4.48717060 Foggia_MA:VK534
    4.67915591 C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R121_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    4.71136923 C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R836_Civitanova_Marche

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    by now we all know that every Kit / Oracle gives a different prediction, ... they go all over the place, ... but we get the general idea, :)
    Salento: Yes I agree, I saw the K36 and the Yourdnaportal results you showed earlier. The Dodecad K7 results along with the Eurogenes K36 and yourdnaportal oracle using Eurogenes K13 all corroborate each other in that the results are consistent, R437 is a match with modern Italians from regions South of Lazio. The way I think of it is that if you put R437 as a Dependent variable in an OLS Regression, and include Puglia, Sicily, Campania, Basilicata, Calabria as explanatory variables on the right hand side, the coefficients would be statistically significantly associated with R437 or put the means of all the Southern Regions, R437 would not be statistically different from the Southern Regions. While Multivariate statistics are probably not the way to analyze DNA data, it sort of makes sense to me and how I think about analyzing data and running statistical models.

    You, Jovialis (based on the results he has posted in the past) and I, are all close to R437.

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    Salento: My Dodecad World 9 coordinates included in Source data with the ancient Roman samples from Antonio et al 2019 (126 of 127) with R437 (127th) included in the Target. So again, getting consistent results with K7. Again as you stated, all the estimations from various calculators are providing the same results.

    Distance to: R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
    1.37368119 R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    1.53642442 PalermoTrapani
    1.53974024 R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    1.55602057 R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    1.69378275 R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    1.91138693 R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    2.00254838 R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    2.13791955 R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    2.38419798 R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    2.54493615 R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    2.55685354 R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    2.69807339 R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
    2.74001825 R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    2.78134859 R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
    2.87899288 R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
    2.91496141 R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    3.27459921 R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    3.40649380 R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    3.74518357 R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    3.79959208 R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    4.04586208 R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    4.19740396 R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    4.35279221 R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
    4.51237188 R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    4.82091278 R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @PalermoT

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    Salento: Breaking out the Latin, my compliments

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    1. Visigoth Iberian Girona

    550 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.765 - I12034

    2. Roman Soldier Germany

    300 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.032 - FN_2

    3. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany
    300 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.04 - FN_2

    4. Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave
    580 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.106 - CL94

    18. Late Roman-Era Emporion
    550 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.18 - I8343

    19. Gallo-Roman Crypta Balbi
    500 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.21 - R109

    20. Roman-Illyrian Lombard Grave
    580 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.31 - CL23

    22. Late Roman Mix Crypta Balbi
    500 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.46 - R105

    24. Vasconic-Roman Mix Crypta Balbi
    500 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.54 - R110

    28. Gallo-Roman Mix Crypta Balbi
    500 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.78 - R108

    41. Imperial Rome Mausoleo Augusto
    500 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.56 - R33

    55. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy
    580 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.4 - CL47b

    57. Medieval Piedmont
    580 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.45 - CL57

    58. Celtiberian Alemannic Mix
    520 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.46 - STR_535

    73. Gallo-Roman
    590 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.94 - SZ28

    87. Early Medieval Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
    520 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.28 - STR310

    110. Basque Post-Roman Era Barcelona
    650 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.73 - I3777

    164. Roman Villa Granada Spain
    300 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.45 - I3982

    167. Ostrogoth Mix
    495 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.5 - AEH_1

    187. Cisalpine Gaul
    590 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.02 - SZ45

    189. Roman Villa Tarragona
    350 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.04 - I6490

    192. Latin Roman Isola Sacra
    200 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.12 - R37

    195. Alemannic Bavaria
    450 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.17 - BIM33

    198. Hungary Avar Master Mako-Mikocsa
    599 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.31 - MMper227

    203. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy
    580 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.38 - CL47

    208. Medieval Tyrolian
    590 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.45 - SZ18

    216. Early Medieval Iberia Granada
    500 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.58 - I3981

    225. Early Medieval Alemannic Bavaria
    420 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.76 - AED1135b

    228. Frankish Lombard
    580 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.81 - CL49

    231. Roman/Illyrian Celio Military Hospital
    500 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.88 - R36

    235. North Central Lombard
    580 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.94 - CL63

    237. North Roman Warrior
    590 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.18 - NS3c

    244. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
    590 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.42 - SZ37

    262. Roman Villa Granada Spain
    300 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.86 - I4055

    265. Post-Roman Era Barcelona
    650 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.96 - I3776

    266. Hungary Elite Avar Kiskoros-Vaghohid
    690 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.96 - KVper3450_GE

    267. Hungary Late Avar Szekkutas-Kapolnadulo
    680 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.98 - SzKper239

    270. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
    500 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.01 - I3577

    276. Frankish-Gallic Lombard Grave
    590 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.22 - SZ27

    283. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
    500 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.47 - I3574

    287. Celtic Briton Gladiator York
    250 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.58 - 6DRIF-22

    288. Visigoth Frankish Girona
    550 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.59 - I12032

    297. Thuringii Tribe
    420 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.89 - AED_1108

    298. Central Roman
    630 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.91 - CL36

    300. Swiss Germanic
    580 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.97 - CL102

    301. Germanic Mixed Tribe
    505 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.97 - AED513

    308. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
    500 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.25 - I3582

    323. Medieval Tyrolian
    580 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.72 - CL53

    325. Visigoth Germanic Girona
    550 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.74 - I12162

    331. Central Roman
    590 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.87 - SZ32

    338. Carthago Outlier San Ercolano
    500 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.0 - R121

    357. Late Roman Iberia Granada
    470 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.51 - I3576

    360. Frankish / Hungary
    590 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.6 - SZ23

    366. Greuthungi / Ostrogoth
    310 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.64 - MJ37

    377. Celtic Briton Gladiator York
    250 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.86 - 3DRIF-16

    381. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
    500 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.96 - I3581

    383. Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto
    500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.03 - R32

    394. Central Roman
    590 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.29 - SZ43

    398. Germanic Mixed Tribe
    505 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.35 - AED125b

    399. Ostrogoth Frankish Mix
    410 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.37 - STR_328

    400. Byzantine Roman Warrior
    605 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.4 - NS3b

    402. Frankish / Hungary
    590 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.46 - SZ38

    414. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
    475 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.63 - I3756

    416. Germanic Tribe Crypta Balbi
    500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.72 - R106

    426. Roman Villa Granada Spain
    350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.91 - I3983

    448. Saxon Hinxton
    720 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.4 - HinxtonO1

    459. Central Roman
    590 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.62 - SZ36

    460. Post-Roman Sierra de Alhama
    550 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.63 - I3584

    462. Carthago-Roman San Ercolano
    500 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.67 - R120

    464. Late Iron Age Tollemosegard Denmark
    700 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.7 - VK65

    467. Alemanni Celtic Warrior
    605 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.73 - NS10

    481. Celtic-Mix Visigoth Girona Spain
    550 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.88 - I12164

    482. Germanic Lombard Szolad
    590 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.91 - SZ3

    490. Roman Mix San Ercolano
    500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.02 - R118

    491. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
    590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.03 - SZ31

    492. Western Scythian Ukraine
    600 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.04 - MJ47

    498. Nordic Lombard
    590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.14 - SZ14



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    SZ1 got 17 Centuries younger, ... and a new name:

    ... this changes everything, ... so many posts and assumptions all based on a mistaken identity


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    EBA Mokrin and their ancient matches. My Deep Dive Mokrin matches:

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    EBA Mokrin and modern populations






























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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    SZ1 got 17 Centuries younger, ... and a new name:

    ... this changes everything, ... so many posts and assumptions all based on a mistaken identity

    Mytrueancestry is wrong, because the supplementary information of the study it is from, confirms that SZ1 is a Bronze Age sample.
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    This makes me wonder. I think they need to cross check their data base, because I think my samples list is wrong. Every other calculator puts me much closer to samples that MTA puts me way off from.

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    Italian-Siicly-South
    Country: United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    This makes me wonder. I think they need to cross check their data base, because I think my samples list is wrong. Every other calculator puts me much closer to samples that MTA puts me way off from.
    Jovialis: Do you know what is the calculator Mytrueancestry is using. Or do they have their own. I like you get closer distances on some samples that MTA has me further away from even though for example many of the same samples that show up in my top 100 in MTA show up in my top 100 using Dodecad various calculators, MDLP or even Eurogenes K13/K15.

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