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[Carlos]

I doubt that R1283 traveled from America to Rome in 860 AD, ... but who knows :)

No, I don't think so..

[Carlos]

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Your Outlier Samples...

(These are the most genetically unique among your broader matching samples)


319. Medieval La Palma Sardinia
941 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.49 - I12221

342. Carthago Outlier San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.0 - R121

361. Late Roman Iberia Granada
470 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.51 - I3576

378. Morisco Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.79 - I7424

385. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.96 - I3581

387. Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.03 - R32

389. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age Outlier
1756 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.08 - OTTM_154

392. Phoenician Cas Moli Ibiza
270 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.1 - MS10614

398. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.29 - SZ43

402. Germanic Mixed Tribe
505 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.35 - AED125b

403. Ostrogoth Frankish Mix
410 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.37 - STR_328

404. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.4 - NS3b

415. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech
2215 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.58 - I4896

419. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
860 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.64 - R1283

430. Roman Villa Granada Spain
350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.91 - I3983

435. Roman-Era Empuries
47 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.04 - I10865

440. Unetice Bohemia
1875 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.16 - Rise154

444. Carthago-Iberian-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.22 - I7500

453. Carthaginian Roman-Era Empuries
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.42 - I8204

454. Avar Szolad Hungary
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.46 - SZ1

456. Late Neolithic Oberbipp Switzerland
2800 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.5 - MX299

457. Phoenician/Punic Sardinia Mount Sirai
675 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.52 - MSR003

459. Corded Ware Estonia
2460 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.53 - Rise595

460. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age
1593 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.55 - OTTM_142

462. Bronze Age Yehud Southern Levant
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.61 - I6932

463. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.62 - SZ36

464. Post-Roman Sierra de Alhama
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.63 - I3584

465. Iberian / Ilergetes Tribe
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.63 - I3322

466. Carthago-Roman San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.67 - R120

469. Copper Age Rouffach Haut-Rhin France
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.71 - I1391

470. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.73 - I7276

472. Late Neolithic Oberbipp Switzerland
3300 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.73 - MX219

475. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.77 - R970

477. Roman Empire Monterotondo
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.8 - R1540

478. Imperial Rome Cluana Ancona
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.81 - R836

481. Celt Hinxton Iron Age
45 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.85 - HI2

484. Bronze Age Leith Edinburgh Scotland
1535 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.87 - I5470

487. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.93 - R113

488. Roman-Era Emporion
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.93 - I8205

489. Danish Gaelic Viking Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.94 - SSG-A2

490. Celtic Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.95 - G973

491. Niedertiefenbach Western Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.96 - Niedertiefenbach40

494. Roman Mix San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.02 - R118

495. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.03 - SZ31

496. Western Scythian Ukraine
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.04 - MJ47

497. Neolithic Ireland
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.06 - Ballynahatty

499. Germanic Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.1 - SNN001

500. Bronze Age Chippenham Cambridgeshire England
1850 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.1 - I7639

547. Late Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1450 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.04 - SNN001
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PD: (On the previous pages are the results of the sample: Carthago-Roman San Ercolano R120)Kit: Carthago-Roman San Ercolano (R120)
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Kit: Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP (R113)



Kit: Carthago-Roman San Ercolano (R120)

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Kit: Carthago Outlier San Ercolano (R121)



Kit: Carthago-Roman San Ercolano (R120)
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Kit: Gallo-Roman (SZ28)



Kit: Carthago-Roman San Ercolano (R120)

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Kit: Etruscan Civitavecchia (R473)



Kit: Carthago-Roman San Ercolano (R120)

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Kit: Etruscan Civitavecchia (R474)






Kit: Carthago-Roman San Ercolano (R120)

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Kit: Medieval Piedmont (CL57)



Kit: Carthago-Roman San Ercolano (R120)

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Kit: Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (I12515)

[Salento]

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[Salento]

Top that ... Buonarroti

[Salento]

... You are a little soul carrying about a corpse, ... as Epictetus used to say !

... Nothing happens to anybody which he is not fitted by nature to bear.

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Romulus (2020 S1 E1)

[Crazyladybutterfly]

Dang splitting hairs much?

hellenic Roman
roman greek
ancient greek
central ancient Hellenic Roman mycenaenoid

Hellenic Romans should be south italians and galloromans should be north italians

[Carlos]

Hellenic Romans should be south italians and galloromans should be north italians

But then are the Roman Roosters Roman or are they Romanized Gauls?

[Carlos]

MY KIT (Grey Point) vs Iberian Cordoba Caliphate I7498

MY KIT (Grey Point) vs Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate I12515




MI KIT (Grey Poin) vs Late Medieval Cancilleria Basilica R1219 (White Point)

My Deep Dive Mape

[Salento]

... amazing times, ... we can make whatever we want (almost) :

[Salento]

But then are the Roman Roosters Roman or are they Romanized Gauls?

... half and half

Generally, ... heading South across the Rubicon, some Italian “Gauls” were full Romans with Barbarian Ancestry,

and the Italians North of the Rubicon were Romanized Gauls, or others ...

[Salento]

Roman Gaul / Central / Hellenic / ... is more of a MTA nomenclature.

Traditionally, the Roman homeland ranged from the Rubicon to Calabria, ... once you crossed the Rubicon, you were in Italy / Roman Homeland,

and eventually it expanded into North Italy and Sicily.

Italy was not a Province, it was the “Domina Provinciarum” ... Homeland and Center of the Roman Empire.

imho The vast majority of Roman Era Italians should be classified as Romans only.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Italy

https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italia_romana

[Salento]

... it doesn’t seem that he can dance the Pizzica, ... too stiff :)

but I figured out why I get Louis 16th on the DNA Spotlight,

it turns out that he’s not très Français, ... he’s closer to the Romans and the Illyrians than the Gauls.

[Angela]

... it doesn’t seem that he can dance the Pizzica, ... too stiff :)

but I figured out why I get Louis 16th on the DNA Spotlight,

it turns out that he’s not très Français, ... he’s closer to the Romans and the Illyrians than the Gauls.

Lots of German wives in the French royal house in the latter centuries, and a Polish consort as well, but also a lot of ancestry from Savoy, not to mention all the inbreeding with the Spanish Bourbons. :)

[Carlos]

Louise XVl got it in match


Kit: Carlos vs Kit: Carlos


Kit: Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (R1219) vs Kit: Etruscan Civitavecchia (R473)



Kit: Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (R1219)vsKit: Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (I7498)

[Carlos]

My last 50 and recapitulating


500. Neolithic Ireland
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.06 - Ballynahatty

501. Iron Age Colmar France
340 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.07 - COL11

502. Germanic Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.1 - SNN001

503. Bronze Age Chippenham Cambridgeshire England
1850 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.1 - I7639

504. Strachow Bronze Age Poland
1880 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.11 - I6538

505. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.14 - SZ14

506. Late Medieval Icelandic Murderer
1678 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.15 - KOV-A2

507. Early Bronze Age Plymouth
1840 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.16 - I5441

508. Neolithic Ireland
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.17 - CAK531

509. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.2 - I12031

510. Rossberga Neolithic Valtorp Sweden
3120 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.22 - ros3

511. Visigoth Germanic Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.28 - I12163

512. Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.32 - KT32

513. Celto-Germanic Medieval Denmark
1270 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.34 - G21

514. Bronze Age Prague Jinonice Czech
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.37 - I7203

515. Iron Age North Sardinia
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.38 - I16163

516. Germanic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.42 - SZ42

517. Rossberga Neolithic Valtorp Sweden
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.43 - ros5

518. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.49 - I7282

519. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.5 - nuf002

520. Celt Medieval Denmark Odense
1164 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.52 - G427

521. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1110 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.52 - R57

522. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel
2115 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.52 - MX288

523. Viking Age Galgedil Funen Denmark
925 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.53 - VK138

524. Copper Age Irlbach Straubing-Bogen Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.59 - I5834

525. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.6 - I3575

526. Scythian Ukraine
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.62 - scy006

527. North Alpine Bronze Age
1812 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.69 - AITI_50

528. Viking Saxon Iceland
1104 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.71 - TSK-A26

529. Early Medievel Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
460 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.71 - STR228

530. Attichy-Bitry Gallic Chariot Burial France
275 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.74 - ATT26

531. Early Viking Age Oland Sweden
829 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.75 - VK349

532. El Sotillo Basque Country
875 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.78 - I2469

533. Post Viking Denmark Odense
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.79 - G48

534. Middle Bronze Age Dorset England
1446 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.8 - I3082

535. Bischwihr Bronze Age Alsace France
1900 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.83 - BIS385

36. Alemannic Bavaria
495 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.89 - STR_316

537. Western Scythian Hungary
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.89 - DA191

538. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy
905 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.9 - R60

539. Medieval Villa Magna Italy
905 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.91 - R59

540. Late Iron Age Linton Cambridgeshire
205 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.91 - Linton

541. Bronze Age Boscombe Airfield England
1680 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.91 - I2464

542. Viking Age Staraya Ladoga
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.92 - VK218

543. Viking Invader Ridgeway Hill England
998 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.92 - VK261

544. Neolithic Orkney Islands
3220 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.94 - I7554

545. Viking Denmark Odense
1058 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.97 - G507

546. Germanic Tribe Spreitenbach CWC Switzerland
2660 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.98 - MX190

547. Pre-Slav Medieval Poland
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.0 - PCA133_Niemcza19

548. Celtic Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.02 - G658

549. Celtic Briton Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.02 - 6DRIF-23

550. Viking Age Gotland Kopparsvik Sweden
975 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.04 - VK468
















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crossover:

top ancient distance: EU K15 - Dod K7 / W9 / K12 / K13 - MDLP K16

... on Deep Dive (ancient relatives)



... results on Roman PCA:




... fyi different kits give me slightly different results, ... but not all of them :)

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Gs144 Male ♂ (Mars symbol)
GS145 Female ♀ (Venus symbol)

... real Man results :)

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COLC2 - new Collato Sabino Italy
(the old ones are: COLC2a - COLC2b)

[Carlos]

My pests


124. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.24 - OBS137

183. East Smithfield Plague Victim London
1349 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.75 - 8291

223. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.64 - OBS116

394. Justinian Plague Victim
760 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.06 - LSD021

429. Medieval Cambridge Plague Victim
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.74 - NMA003A

Oh! the last acquisition, there is to see what there is:

567. Medieval Netherlands Plague II
1360 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.24 - Ber45

Celt + Frank (3.473)
Saxon + Frank (3.796)
Viking + Frank (4.123)
Viking Danish + Frank (4.546)
Viking Danish + Celt (5.864)
Frank (7.521)
Celt (7.533)
Saxon (7.693)
Viking (8.065)
Viking Danish (8.107)


1. Danish (5.508)
2. Southeast_English (5.739)
3. Southwest_English (6.672)
4. North_Dutch (6.793)
5. West_Scottish (6.823)
6. Flemish (6.978)
7. Irish (7.388)
8. North_German (7.409)

Similar Samples

Germanic Lombard (590 AD) (5.017)
Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech (2215 BC) (5.386)
Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) (5.914)
Bischwihr Bronze Age Alsace France (1900 BC) (6.234)
North Sea Medieval Denmark (1250 AD) (6.29)

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COLC2 - new Collato Sabino Italy
(the old ones are: COLC2a - COLC2b)

... no gender, no haplogroups, but the Italians Medieval Collato Sabino COLC2 and COLC2a are consecutive in my results,
... I say that they’re Siblings, and COLC2b is their Parent, or an Uncle /Aunt ... :)

[Carlos]

... no gender, no haplogroups, but the Italians Medieval Collato Sabino COLC2 and COLC2a are consecutive in my results,
... I say that they’re Siblings, and COLC2b is their Parent, or an Uncle /Aunt ... :)

One uncle, the father must have died long before the plague came.

[Salento]

One uncle, the father must have died long before the plague came.

... also in my results there’s only a 0.05 distance difference between COLC2 and COLC2a, that’s why I say they’re Siblings.

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... totally siblings and one very close relative!

COLC2 PCA Plots - 20 samples - 3D Analysis:

(notice how COLC2 and COLC2a are as one spinning together, and COLC2b is close by the entire time)