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Oetzi (Ötzi) Spotlight
front and back and check out his Ink :)

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... I’m over 90% closer than the other matches,

... Scientifically it means that Ötzi in his Prime was Smart and Very Good Looking, lol :grin:
 
Salento said:
Oetzi (Ötzi) Spotlight
front and back and check out his Ink :)

l9pO2DN.jpg

1jDJXTG.jpg


ltI7524.jpg


... I’m over 90% closer than the other matches,

... Scientifically it means that Ötzi in his Prime was Smart and Very Good Looking, lol :grin:
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Congratulations dear friend Salento. Very very cool. You are cousin of a real Native European from Alps. It's a really fascinating feat. (y):)
 
Nothing.


Well, I painted those lines on my hand when I was a teenager. I want to hunt deer on the snowy peaks. I will have lost it in one of my marriages.
 
Yeah it's fun and everything but their modern pop averages are inaccurate (at least in my case) and haven't been updated recently. There's no real genetic/historical explanation of specific ancient group samples. For instance; tell me about the Seleucian sample? Is it a Macedonian (Paleo Balkan) sample from the Hellenistic period or something much later. I need more clarity/explanation to take this site seriously.
 
Duarte said:
Congratulations dear friend Salento. Very very cool. You are cousin of a real Native European from Alps. It's a really fascinating feat. (y):)
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Salento: Wow, 90% closer than others.(y) That is really incredible. I am 56% closer so in the upper half of the distribution. So Otzi is a long lost relative of mine as well, we need to figure out who did him in.

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Carlos said:
Nothing.
Well, I painted those lines on my hand when I was a teenager. I want to hunt deer on the snowy peaks. I will have lost it in one of my marriages.
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They say:

... “ it is thought if you have ancestors stem from the region between Sardinia and the Alps, there is a chance you could be related to Ötzi” ...

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Palermo Trapani said:
Salento: Wow, 90% closer than others.(y) That is really incredible. I am 56% closer so in the upper half of the distribution. So Otzi is a long lost relative of mine as well, we need to figure out who did him in.

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It's never too late for Vendetta :)

maybe a clue:
they can’t find Otzi mtDNA in the modern population,

maybe his Tribe was attacked causing heavy casualties, among women too (ending / diminishing Otzi mtDNA line),

he got injured during the battle, and when all was lost he tried to get away, but he died in his way to safety.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4725900/
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Salento: Wow, 90% closer than others.(y) That is really incredible. I am 56% closer so in the upper half of the distribution. So Otzi is a long lost relative of mine as well, we need to figure out who did him in.

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... that was from a combined file,

... re-uploaded AncestryDNA, ... even higher than the combined file and 23andme,

I get a Medal :)

... but he’s a Deep Dive match only, I don’t get a Distance with Otzi anywhere, :unsure:???

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... I’m also getting a Scythian:
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Salento said:
It's never too late for Vendetta :)

maybe a clue:
they can’t find Otzi mtDNA in the modern population,

maybe his Tribe was attacked causing heavy casualties, among women too (ending / diminishing Otzi mtDNA line),

he got injured during the battle, and when all was lost he tried to get away, but he died in his way to safety.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4725900/
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Interesting, good information. Thanks for the link to that article. I have several articles on my c drive about Otzi but that is not one I have read before. I also don't get Otzi on my Genetic Distance Timeline, but like you on the Deep Dive. Could be do to the Calculator MTA is using. I know I get like 19 or so on one of the GEDMATCH calculators that has Otzi in the source data (Punt or Eurogenes Farmer vs. Hunter Gather calculator. I need to check that Scythian sample that is in your updated Deep Dive analysis.
 
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[h=6]These are your matching samples which have related Y-DNA haplogroups[/h]
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Palermo Trapani said:
Interesting, good information. Thanks for the link to that article. I have several articles on my c drive about Otzi but that is not one I have read before. I also don't get Otzi on my Genetic Distance Timeline, but like you on the Deep Dive. Could be do to the Calculator MTA is using. I know I get like 19 or so on one of the GEDMATCH calculators that has Otzi in the source data (Punt or Eurogenes Farmer vs. Hunter Gather calculator. I need to check that Scythian sample that is in your updated Deep Dive analysis.
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Punt DNAL: distance is 25

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MDLP: he’s not in the Singles, but he’s on top of the 4 populations sharing (and #7 too)

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... Who’s the British_Roman ???

I asked before, ... and got no proper answer!
 
Salento: Punt DNA K12, Otzi 19.14, MDLP K16 23.46. Not sure who that British Roman is??? But shows up in my MDLP 16 as well.

Punt DNA K12_Ancient:

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Iceman_MN_SG 19.14
2 Hungary_CA_I1497 20.15
3 Hungary_EN_I0495 20.31
4 LBK_EN_I0054 20.66
5 Iberia_EN_I0412 21.87
6 Starcevo_MN_I0174 22.19
7 Stuttgart_SG 22.74
8 Epserstedt_MN_I0172 25.36
9 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 26
10 Baalberge_MN_I0560 26.74
11 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 27.36
12 Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489 27.84
13 Iberia_M_ I0406 28.07
14 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 28.68
15 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569 28.96
16 Unetice_EBA_I0117 29.04
17 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 29.19
18 Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300 29.55
19 Armenian_MBA 30.34
20 Vatya_SG_RISE479 30.86


MDLP 16_Ancient Distances.
Distance to: PalermoTrapani
13.41055554 Anatolia_ChL
13.90994249 HungaryGamba_MBA.SG
14.46156631 Anatolian-Neolithic
15.18795575 Anatolia_Neolithic_1d_rel_I0736
15.54029922 Balkan-LBA
15.73365183 Anatolia_Neolithic
18.35271097 GermanStuttgart_LBK
19.41600371 Armenia_ChL
20.12804511 Bell_Beaker
23.46795688 Tyrolean_Iceman
23.56776612 Levant_N
24.45401603 Armenia_MLBA
24.66372640 Maros.SG
24.80739406 Armenia-LBA
25.28639160 British-Roman
25.90022780 HungaryGamba_CA
26.30780873 Iran_recent
26.42003028 Vatya.SG
27.11033567 HungaryGamba_EN
27.58514818 Levant_BA
27.79838305 Remedello_BA.SG
27.81471733 Armenia-MBA
29.03412131 Corded_Ware_Proto_Unetice_Poland.SG
29.21238607 Unetice
29.44126186 Bell_Beaker_Germany.SG
 
correction: ... distance to Ötzi is 23.9

at PuntDNAL K12 Ancient there’s a difference in results between “Oracle” and “Oracle-4”

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Punt 12


1Alberstedt_LN_I011818.76
2Nordic_LN_SG_RISE9720.11
3Hungary_CA_I149720.58
4Iceman_MN_SG20.59
5Halberstadt_LBA_I009921.32
6Unetice_EBA_I011721.65
7Hungary_EN_I049522.1
8Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE56922.16
9BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE9423.05
10Vatya_SG_RISE47923.76
11Iberia_EN_I041224.04
12LBK_EN_I005424.05
13Hungary_BA_I150224.35
14Epserstedt_MN_I017224.53
15BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I005924.77
16Bell_Beaker_Germany_I154924.85
17Baalberge_MN_I056025.05
18Stuttgart_SG25.75
19Iberia_M_ I040626.03
20Starcevo_MN_I017426.19


I'm a lot closer to some of these samples on other calculators.
 
Salento/Angela: Those distances for a sample 5,300 years old are good (Otzi). Salento, thanks again for that Coia et al 2016 paper on Otzi, that was one that I had not read yet. I am sure the paper linked below is one you both have read but it is good to go back to it as 4,000 BC, EEF/Neolithic ancestry was all across Italy and Europe. I have also been looking for a paper that clearly analyzes the Sicilian_Bell Beaker. The 2nd paper that I linked does not, best I can tell. None of the calculators, to my knowledge, have Otzi and Sicilian_Bell Beaker in the same data set. I was wondering hoe far distance wise Otzi and Sicilian Bell Beaker are from each other? Looking at Figure 1 in Olade et al 2018, Sicililan_Bell Beaker is Anatolian Neolithic and Otzi would plot in the Early European Neolithic?

Sikora et al 2014 (Otzi)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4014435/

Olade et al 2018 (Beaker)
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738
 
Angela said:
Punt 12


1Alberstedt_LN_I011818.76
2Nordic_LN_SG_RISE9720.11
3Hungary_CA_I149720.58
4Iceman_MN_SG20.59
5Halberstadt_LBA_I009921.32
6Unetice_EBA_I011721.65
7Hungary_EN_I049522.1
8Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE56922.16
9BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE9423.05
10Vatya_SG_RISE47923.76
11Iberia_EN_I041224.04
12LBK_EN_I005424.05
13Hungary_BA_I150224.35
14Epserstedt_MN_I017224.53
15BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I005924.77
16Bell_Beaker_Germany_I154924.85
17Baalberge_MN_I056025.05
18Stuttgart_SG25.75
19Iberia_M_ I040626.03
20Starcevo_MN_I017426.19


I'm a lot closer to some of these samples on other calculators.
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Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Alberstedt_LN_I011815
2Nordic_LN_SG_RISE9716.39
3Vatya_SG_RISE47916.92
4Hungary_BA_I150217.29
5Halberstadt_LBA_I009917.33
6Unetice_EBA_I011717.63
7Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE56919.65
8Bell_Beaker_Germany_I154920.14
9BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I005920.25
10Hungary_CA_I149721.2
11BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE9422.41
12Iceman_MN_SG22.48
13Baalberge_MN_I056022.78
14Iberia_M_ I040623.26
15Epserstedt_MN_I017223.45
16Potapovka_I041923.54
17Hungary_EN_I049523.85
18Srubnaya_I043024.5
19Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE0025.15
20Iberia_Chalcolithic_I030026.06

 
#Population (source)Distance

1Alberstedt_LN_I011815.95
2Nordic_LN_SG_RISE9717.39
3Vatya_SG_RISE47917.92
4Halberstadt_LBA_I009918.2
5Hungary_BA_I150218.22
6Unetice_EBA_I011718.49
7Hungary_CA_I149719.15
8Iceman_MN_SG20.02
9Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE56920.73
10BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I005921.16
11Bell_Beaker_Germany_I154921.42
12Epserstedt_MN_I017221.43
13Baalberge_MN_I056021.49
14Hungary_EN_I049521.69
15Iberia_M_ I040621.91
16BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE9422.99
17Iberia_EN_I041223.64
18Iberia_Chalcolithic_I030024.44
19Potapovka_I041924.84
20LBK_EN_I005425.14
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Salento/Angela: Those distances for a sample 5,300 years old are good (Otzi). Salento, thanks again for that Coia et al 2016 paper on Otzi, that was one that I had not read yet. I am sure the paper linked below is one you both have read but it is good to go back to it as 4,000 BC, EEF/Neolithic ancestry was all across Italy and Europe. I have also been looking for a paper that clearly analyzes the Sicilian_Bell Beaker. The 2nd paper that I linked does not, best I can tell. None of the calculators, to my knowledge, have Otzi and Sicilian_Bell Beaker in the same data set. I was wondering hoe far distance wise Otzi and Sicilian Bell Beaker are from each other? Looking at Figure 1 in Olade et al 2018, Sicililan_Bell Beaker is Anatolian Neolithic and Otzi would plot in the Early European Neolithic?

Sikora et al 2014 (Otzi)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4014435/

Olade et al 2018 (Beaker)
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738
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Otzi is the Sicilian (Beaker) I4930 Top Match, but the files are small:

results of: Sicily Beaker 2200 BC - I4930

puntDNAL K12 Ancient Oracle results:

Kit Z251090

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iceman_MN_SG 18.53
2 Hungary_CA_I1497 18.63
3 Hungary_EN_I0495 20.03
4 Epserstedt_MN_I0172 20.32
5 Iberia_EN_I0412 20.44
6 Baalberge_MN_I0560 22.39
7 Iberia_M_ I0406 22.49
8 Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489 23.18
9 LBK_EN_I0054 23.28
10 Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300 23.51
11 Stuttgart_SG 23.94
12 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 24.52
13 Hungary_BA_I1502 24.97
14 Vatya_SG_RISE479 25.17
15 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 26.12
16 Starcevo_MN_I0174 26.22
17 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 26.56
18 Unetice_EBA_I0117 26.73
19 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059 28.91
20 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 29.38



results of: Sicily Beaker 2200 BC - I4930

puntDNAL K12 Ancient Oracle results:

Kit TZ9503361

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iceman_MN_SG 20.92
2 Hungary_CA_I1497 21.95
3 Hungary_EN_I0495 22.57
4 Iberia_EN_I0412 22.7
5 Epserstedt_MN_I0172 24.64
6 LBK_EN_I0054 24.65
7 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 24.91
8 Stuttgart_SG 25.75
9 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 26.51
10 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 27.1
11 Baalberge_MN_I0560 27.17
12 Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489 27.24
13 Unetice_EBA_I0117 27.31
14 Starcevo_MN_I0174 27.38
15 Iberia_M_ I0406 27.52
16 Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300 28.38
17 Vatya_SG_RISE479 28.66
18 Hungary_BA_I1502 28.71
19 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 29.2
20 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569 29.48


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