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results of: Sicily Beaker I4936 (small file)

puntDNAL K12 Ancient Oracle

Kit Z747726

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 LBK_EN_I0054 29.61
2 Iberia_EN_I0412 29.96
3 Iceman_MN_SG 30.43
4 Stuttgart_SG 30.51
5 Starcevo_MN_I0174 31.24
6 Hungary_EN_I0495 31.92
7 Hungary_CA_I1497 33.99
8 Epserstedt_MN_I0172 36.66
9 Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489 36.71
10 Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300 40.56
11 Baalberge_MN_I0560 41.17
12 Iberia_M_ I0406 41.46
13 Armenian_MBA 41.47
14 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 46.67
15 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 48.43
16 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 48.77
17 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 48.78
18 Unetice_EBA_I0117 49.16
19 Anatolian Neolithic_I0746 49.34
20 Anatolian Neolithic_I0745 50.1
 
... I’m assuming that “Iceman_MN_SG“ is Otzi,

... but to assume = to make an 'A..' out of 'u' and 'me' :grin:

... hopefully I assumed right :)
 
I have tried to see what it could be like at a younger age and at a more mature one. It is made only with Otzie's face

otzijoven.jpeg



otzimedianaedad.jpeg


Where do you currently think of it? I'm not good at finding out.
 
Carlos said:
I have tried to see what it could be like at a younger age and at a more mature one. It is made only with Otzie's face

otzijoven.jpeg



otzimedianaedad.jpeg


Where do you currently think of it? I'm not good at finding out.
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I think of Zorro (Antonio Banderas) :)
 
In middle age it does remember A.B. (El Zorro for the Americans I associate it more with the characters of Almodóvar, Western European characters.)


But Otzie at a younger age is more complicated for me because some factor that is more exotic to me is potentiated that after age has decreased.
 
Carlos said:
In middle age it does remember A.B. (El Zorro for the Americans I associate it more with the characters of Almodóvar, Western European characters.)


But Otzie at a younger age is more complicated for me because some factor that is more exotic to me is potentiated that after age has decreased.
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he wasn’t that old, he was about 45, though he looks much older in all the portrayals of him.
 
Salento said:
results of: Sicily Beaker I4936 (small file)

puntDNAL K12 Ancient Oracle

Kit Z747726

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 LBK_EN_I0054 29.61
2 Iberia_EN_I0412 29.96
3 Iceman_MN_SG 30.43
4 Stuttgart_SG 30.51
5 Starcevo_MN_I0174 31.24
6 Hungary_EN_I0495 31.92
7 Hungary_CA_I1497 33.99
8 Epserstedt_MN_I0172 36.66
9 Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489 36.71
10 Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300 40.56
11 Baalberge_MN_I0560 41.17
12 Iberia_M_ I0406 41.46
13 Armenian_MBA 41.47
14 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 46.67
15 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 48.43
16 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 48.77
17 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 48.78
18 Unetice_EBA_I0117 49.16
19 Anatolian Neolithic_I0746 49.34
20 Anatolian Neolithic_I0745 50.1
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Punt has the Sicilian_Bell Beaker sample(s) in it? Anyway thanks for doing that. Or that Kit number there is the Sicilian_Bell Beaker kit. Anyway, that makes sense. I4930 is the one that is in Dodecad 12B. I guess the other Sicilian Beakers are low quality samples.
 
Salento said:
he wasn’t that old, he was about 45, though he looks much older in all the portrayals of him.
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In his time 45 he would have nothing to do with the 45 of today where someone with that age is splendidly young.
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Punt has the Sicilian_Bell Beaker sample(s) in it? Anyway thanks for doing that. Or that Kit number there is the Sicilian_Bell Beaker kit. Anyway, that makes sense. I4930 is the one that is in Dodecad 12B. I guess the other Sicilian Beakers are low quality samples.
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... I posted earlier the BK Sicilians puntDNAL results, (...a way around to compare Ötzi and I4930 / I4936 on GedMatch) ... low quality samples, but it worked, and it's better than nothing.

I4930 Sicily Beaker GedMatch # Z251090 and TZ9503361

I4936 GedMatch # Z747726

Otzi GedMatch # T882519

Otzi_dodecad_K12,0,0,5.85,0.33,48.10,4.42,0.20,4.25,9.75,2.39,22.61,2.11


I2158 Late Upper Paleolithic Sicilian hunter-gatherer GedMatch # EM6278906

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-34338.html
 
Carlos said:
In his time 45 he would have nothing to do with the 45 of today where someone with that age is splendidly young.
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:unsure: ... not for Otzi, he was a strict followers of the Paleo Diet :grin:
 
Salento said:
Otzi is the Sicilian (Beaker) I4930 Top Match, but the files are small:

results of: Sicily Beaker 2200 BC - I4930

puntDNAL K12 Ancient Oracle results:

Kit Z251090Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iceman_MN_SG 18.53
2 Hungary_CA_I1497 18.63
3 Hungary_EN_I0495 20.03
4 Epserstedt_MN_I0172 20.32
5 Iberia_EN_I0412 20.44
6 Baalberge_MN_I0560 22.39
7 Iberia_M_ I0406 22.49
8 Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489 23.18
9 LBK_EN_I0054 23.28
10 Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300 23.51
11 Stuttgart_SG 23.94
12 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 24.52
13 Hungary_BA_I1502 24.97
14 Vatya_SG_RISE479 25.17
15 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 26.12
16 Starcevo_MN_I0174 26.22
17 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 26.56
18 Unetice_EBA_I0117 26.73
19 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059 28.91
20 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 29.38



results of: Sicily Beaker 2200 BC - I4930

puntDNAL K12 Ancient Oracle results:

Kit TZ9503361

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iceman_MN_SG 20.92
2 Hungary_CA_I1497 21.95
3 Hungary_EN_I0495 22.57
4 Iberia_EN_I0412 22.7
5 Epserstedt_MN_I0172 24.64
6 LBK_EN_I0054 24.65
7 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 24.91
8 Stuttgart_SG 25.75
9 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 26.51
10 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 27.1
11 Baalberge_MN_I0560 27.17
12 Remedello_BA_SG_RISE489 27.24
13 Unetice_EBA_I0117 27.31
14 Starcevo_MN_I0174 27.38
15 Iberia_M_ I0406 27.52
16 Iberia_Chalcolithic_I0300 28.38?
17 Vatya_SG_RISE479 28.66
18 Hungary_BA_I1502 28.71
19 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 29.2
20 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569 29.48


https://www.eupedia.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-34338.html
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Good work. :)

Salento, do we have a way of comparing Otzi to other ancients or ourselves in any other calculator?

Also, did you look at the cluster components for both Otzi and Sicilian Beaker in Punt? It would be interesting to see if Otzi actually had more or less Caucasus like material.

Btw, Otzi actually wasn't very healthy. In a blow for the whole idea of the Paleo diet, his heavily meat based consumption didn't prevent him from having terrible arteriosclerosis, poor thing, along with Lyme disease and parasites.

"He carried one genetic mutation that in modern humans raises the risk of coronary heart disease by 40 per cent, and two others that made him prone to a build-up of fat in the linings of his arteries."

The tattoos on his joints were probably a type of sympathetic magic against the terrible arthritis and accompanying pain that Lyme disease can cause. So much for the healthiness of spending your life in the woods of the lower Alps. :)

Oops, you posted the K12 coordinates for Otzi.
 
Carlos said:
I have tried to see what it could be like at a younger age and at a more mature one. It is made only with Otzie's face

otzijoven.jpeg



otzimedianaedad.jpeg


Where do you currently think of it? I'm not good at finding out.
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My immediate thought was Tarantino. :)

Btw, the dna shows that while he had dark hair and eyes, he was extremely fair skinned, like me and Tarantino. :)

shutterstock_8864028fg.jpg


quentin-tarantino.jpeg


He went bald very young, so imagine the hairline all the way down.
 
A few more possibilities:

Roberto Mancini, except that his eyes aren't small and beady enough...
68037a811f157b2a9d225a25d1ccb467.jpg


Except for the blue eyes and flat cheekbones maybe Trapattoni?

1697ccc77550c3d59048990c13d58fd7.jpg
 
Angela said:
Good work. :)

Salento, do we have a way of comparing Otzi to other ancients or ourselves in any other calculator?

Also, did you look at the cluster components for both Otzi and Sicilian Beaker in Punt? It would be interesting to see if Otzi actually had more or less Caucasus like material.

Btw, Otzi actually wasn't very healthy. In a blow for the whole idea of the Paleo diet, his heavily meat based consumption didn't prevent him from having terrible arteriosclerosis, poor thing, along with Lyme disease and parasites.

"He carried one genetic mutation that in modern humans raises the risk of coronary heart disease by 40 per cent, and two others that made him prone to a build-up of fat in the linings of his arteries."

The tattoos on his joints were probably a type of sympathetic magic against the terrible arthritis and accompanying pain that Lyme disease can cause. So much for the healthiness of spending your life in the woods of the lower Alps. :)

Oops, you posted the K12 coordinates for Otzi.
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Thanks :)

we know that Otzi GedMatch Kit is T882519, ... we can take his various coordinates and use them in Vahaduo in source or target,
... compare yourself by adding your coordinates.

Otzi puntDNAL K12 Ancient:

Sub-Saharan 3.17 Pct
Amerindian 0.96 Pct
South_Asian 0
Near_East 12.70 Pct
Siberian 0
European_HG 17.86 Pct
Caucasus_HG 5.15 Pct
South_African_HG 3.43 Pct
Anatolian_NF 51.29 Pct
East_Asian 2.83 Pct
Oceanian 2.62 Pct
Beringian 0


Sicily Beaker I4930 (GedM. Kit Z251090) PuntDNAL K12 Ancient:

Sub-Saharan 0.13 Pct
Amerindian 0
South_Asian 0
Near_East 0
Siberian 7.51 Pct of
European_HG 22.89 Pct
Caucasus_HG 14.86 Pct
South_African_HG 0
Anatolian_NF 49.02 Pct
East_Asian 0
Oceanian 5.60 Pct
Beringian 0
 
Salento said:
Thanks :)

we know that Otzi GedMatch Kit is T882519, ... we can take his various coordinates and use them in Vahaduo in source or target,
... compare yourself by adding your coordinates.

Otzi puntDNAL K12 Ancient:

Sub-Saharan 3.17 Pct
Amerindian 0.96 Pct
South_Asian 0
Near_East 12.70 Pct
Siberian 0
European_HG 17.86 Pct
Caucasus_HG 5.15 Pct
South_African_HG 3.43 Pct
Anatolian_NF 51.29 Pct
East_Asian 2.83 Pct
Oceanian 2.62 Pct
Beringian 0


Sicily Beaker I4930 (GedM. Kit Z251090) PuntDNAL K12 Ancient:

Sub-Saharan 0.13 Pct
Amerindian 0
South_Asian 0
Near_East 0
Siberian 7.51 Pct of
European_HG 22.89 Pct
Caucasus_HG 14.86 Pct
South_African_HG 0
Anatolian_NF 49.02 Pct
East_Asian 0
Oceanian 5.60 Pct
Beringian 0
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So, PUNT has him as more Caucasus.

OK, so I used the Otzi Dodecad K12 coordinates.

Doesn't quite make sense since we know he's closest to Sardinians, but since Eurogenes persists in placing me closest to the one Corsican sample, I guess I win? :)

Distance to:Otzi_dodecad_K12
17.81017900France_Corsica
20.35930009Canarias
20.44613166Andalucia
20.84814380Murcia
22.15227076Baleares
22.91045198Italy_Tuscany
23.02777059Italy_Liguria
23.23779734Italy_Emilia
23.48864194Extremadura
23.57648867Italy_Marche
23.61153743Italy_Romagna
23.63887265Galicia
23.96324477Castilla_Y_Leon
23.97272200Portuguese
24.11897800Sardinian
24.13627240Italy_Lombardy
24.70827999Castilla_La_Mancha
24.99722185Spaniards
25.01933540Italy_Lazio
25.37940701Spanish
25.73767937Italy_Piedmont
25.85328412Valencia
25.97864315Morocco_Jews
26.03709469Aragon
26.14275322Italy_Campania

Bizarre again:
Target: Otzi_dodecad_K12
Distance: 2.8833% / 2.88334609 | ADC: 0.25x
46.6Sardinian
23.2France_Corsica
18.6Morocco_Jews
5.6Algerian
3.2MKK30
1.4Ethiopians
0.8Naga
0.6Korean

Target: Otzi_dodecad_K12
Distance: 0.5496% / 0.54957215
57.0Sardinian
17.6Ashkenazi
5.8Bulgarians
4.8Moroccan
4.2Yemen_Jews
4.0Sandawe_He
2.4Moroccans
1.8Japanese
1.2Ethiopian_Jews
0.4LWK30
0.4Tujia
0.2Bantu_S.E._Tswana
0.2Chinese


Now Eurogenes K13

I removed him from the source code for K13 ancient, and put him as the target. Amazing results, imo.

It does make sense, imo. He's a MN/Copper Age sample, and so are they...including Baden, which turns out to have no steppe. I always said I thought he, or his people, came from the "Old Europe" metal making cultures.
Distance to:Iceman_Italy_Iceman_MN.SG_5244_ybp
2.46253934I1497_CO1_Hungary_MN_
2.78854801N19_Poland_TRB.SG_5462_ybp
2.82375636I2366_Hungary_Baden_LCA_5093_ybp
2.93325757I1495_NE7_HungaryEN_
3.04883584I2744_Hungary_ALPc_Szakalhat_MN_7050_ybp
3.44130789I1905_Hungary_Lengyel_LN_6664_ybp
3.49305024I2354_Hungary_Tiszapolgar_ECA_6200_ybp
3.50217076N31_Poland_BKG.SG_6138_ybp
3.66008197N26_Poland_BKG.SG_6151_ybp
3.67932059I5118_Hungary_LCA_4550_ybp
3.71324656I2371_Hungary_Baden_LCA_5179_ybp
3.80512812I2791_Hungary_Protoboleraz_LCA_5471_ybp
3.96726606I2358_Hungary_Tisza_LN_6700_ybp
4.09249313I4189_Hungary_Balaton_Lasinja_CA_6050_ybp
4.23027186I1907_Hungary_Balaton_Lasinja_CA_6153_ybp
4.26660286N36_Poland_BKG_o1.SG_6250_ybp
4.75155764N27_Poland_BKG.SG_6250_ybp
4.76491343R19_Marche_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy
4.80957379I5117_Hungary_LCA_4550_ybp
4.87833988I2377_Hungary_ALPc_Tiszadob_MN_7025_ybp
4.87860636I2752_Hungary_Baden_LCA_5175_ybp
5.01553586I0706_Bulgaria_Dzhulyunitsa_N_7905_ybp
5.10227400I2793_Hungary_Tiszapolgar_Bodrogkeresztur_ECHA_6301_ybp
5.13943577I1908_Hungary_Balaton_Lasinja_CA_6050_ybp
5.26870003I2356_Hungary_Tiszapolgar_ECA_6200_ybp

Target: Iceman_Italy_Iceman_MN.SG_5244_ybp
Distance: 0.5247% / 0.52468852 | ADC: 0.25x
37.0N19_Poland_TRB.SG_5462_ybp
19.0I1495_NE7_HungaryEN_
16.8I2744_Hungary_ALPc_Szakalhat_MN_7050_ybp
13.0I1497_CO1_Hungary_MN_
12.8I4189_Hungary_Balaton_Lasinja_CA_6050_ybp
1.4Mota1_Africa_

The original modern spreadsheet makes a lot more sense. From now on that's what I'm going to use. As I've been saying for a while they added those odd Sizzi samples and samples from God knows what "enthusiasts" and "lobbyists", and screwed it up.

Distance to:Iceman_Italy_Iceman_MN.SG_5244_ybp
7.07662349Sardinian
26.46129815North_Italian
26.51757719Tuscan
26.73475079Spanish_Andalucia
27.77911986West_Sicilian
28.44721955Spanish_Extremadura
28.80864280Spanish_Valencia
29.14030885Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
29.32518883Spanish_Murcia
29.82547736Spanish_Aragon
30.10476873Portuguese
30.55905430Spanish_Galicia
30.60126958South_Italian
30.78574508Spanish_Cantabria
30.90257918Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
31.51913863Algerian_Jewish
31.64130686Italian_Abruzzo
31.77140224East_Sicilian
31.81213291Spanish_Cataluna
31.94197082Southwest_French
32.36436621Italian_Jewish
32.45735664Central_Greek
33.04523415Moroccan
33.12241990Mozabite_Berber
33.26827768Greek_Thessaly


Target: Iceman_Italy_Iceman_MN.SG_5244_ybp
Distance: 3.6958% / 3.69584477

79.4 Sardinian
14.2 Italian_Jewish
5.4 French_Basque
1.0 Tunisian
 
Angela said:
My immediate thought was Tarantino. :)

Btw, the dna shows that while he had dark hair and eyes, he was extremely fair skinned, like me and Tarantino. :)

shutterstock_8864028fg.jpg


quentin-tarantino.jpeg


He went bald very young, so imagine the hairline all the way down.
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I have tried to see how the mother could be and this result came out, it really is automatic and I did not look for any hair color but this was the result.

Hypothetically Otzie's mother of young and mature age.

otzimadrejoven.jpeg


otzimadremayor.jpeg



In rehearsals I also obtained these two images, it could be a suggestion of the appearance of someone current descendant of Otzie or even the possibility of the appearance of women of his family of that time.

jovenOtzie.jpeg


otziemadura.jpeg


It all comes from Otzie's face without mixing with the face of any other modern or ancient person.

They say that their mtdna is not in Europe anymore, my feeling is that they are recognizable to me but suddenly they escape me.
 
Salento said:
... I posted earlier the BK Sicilians puntDNAL results, (...a way around to compare Ötzi and I4930 / I4936 on GedMatch) ... low quality samples, but it worked, and it's better than nothing.

I4930 Sicily Beaker GedMatch # Z251090 and TZ9503361

I4936 GedMatch # Z747726

Otzi GedMatch # T882519

Otzi_dodecad_K12,0,0,5.85,0.33,48.10,4.42,0.20,4.25,9.75,2.39,22.61,2.11


I2158 Late Upper Paleolithic Sicilian hunter-gatherer GedMatch # EM6278906

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-34338.html
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Salento: Good work all the way around with this. Thanks, got it (posts 2758/2759). There is one other Sicilian Bell Beaker (I4933) that is in the supplement of Olade et al 2018 on the Beaker Civilization. Is that one just such a low quality that there is nothing that can be analyzed? Thanks for the kit number on the other Sicilian_Beaker.
 
Trapattoni has a face of a roman general
epic:LOL:
 
Following what Salento did, estimated Otzi's Eurogenes K13 and K15 and used K13/K15 Updated Modern populations as source. Closest is Sardinia, consistent with academic studies.

Distance to:Otzi
13.50960399Sardinia
16.34625339Sardinian
20.33069109FrenchCorsica
22.82533242Algerian
23.26487266West_Sicilian
24.30994035Lazio
24.47058847Tuscan
24.61545450Moroccan_Jew
24.70626034Algerian_Jewish
25.04206461Umbria
25.09857366Marche
25.35391291Moroccan
25.45587751Tuscany
25.52007445Romagna
25.67459639Mozabite_Berber
25.98374107Apulia
26.08026457Molise
26.12860884Sicily
26.13820958Italian_Jewish
26.14539730Abruzzo
26.19851904Emilia
26.22564013Greek_Western-Thrace
26.23488136Malta
26.24538817East_Sicilian
26.40393531Liguria
Eurogenes K15_Updated Modern

Distance to:Otzi
15.44978641Sardinian
20.45813286France_Corsica
23.88276157Mozabite_Berber
24.39934630Moroccan
24.68152143West_Sicilian
24.73560187Tuscan
25.05444472Italy_Lazio
25.47501914Tunisian
25.49424837Algerian
25.52024882Italy_Tuscany
25.81544499Italy_Marche
26.13550841Italy_Emiliaromagna
26.33047854Italy_Liguria
26.33163117Algerian_Jewish
26.80801932Spanish_Andalucia
26.98702651Italy_Central_Sicily
27.12996867Italy_West_Sicily
27.26604298Italy_Campania
27.30750996Italian_Jewish
27.65522735Italy_Lombardy
27.72460099East_Sicilian
27.78885388Italy_Apulia
27.95427695Italy_East_Sicily
28.02324928Albanian-South
28.56886242Italy_Calabria
 
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Carlos said:
In his time 45 he would have nothing to do with the 45 of today where someone with that age is splendidly young.
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... I guess in his time, people turbo-aged :)

... at 45 years old, 46 and 47 :grin:

ekLYOjm.jpg
 
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