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    Veneti in Italy never fought against the Romans but where allies from the Hannibal wars onwards


    Veneti in Gaul where always at war against the Romans
    Fathers mtdna ...... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ...... K1a4p
    Mothers line ..... R1b-S8172
    Grandmother paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ..... R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post


    They (MTA) look for the culture or civilization that existed in the age of sample in the place where it was identified. Specifically In the case of Broicon BR003, a sample from the middle Bronze Age Italy, MTA labeled it as belong to an individual from the Heneti Italic Tribe, ie, a group within the Italian peninsula in the Iron Age. Hence my strangeness, borne out by Pax and Torzio. As I can see, this sample is not very close to modern Italians in the northeast, so it does not appear as old autosomal matches by Stuvannè or Torzio, for example. I don’t want to generalize saying that they always label baddly the old samples. I want to say that, sometimes, they do not label very well some ancient samples, as in the case of BR003 but, in general, I like the app and its constant news.
    … some samples are harder to label than others, … I agree with you to not throw the baby out with the bath water :)

    … GedMatch:
    BRC003 # QZ8281511


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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    did they mean these veneti from gaul ....sometimes also known as Heneti

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veneti_(Gaul)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    … some samples are harder to label than others, … I agree with you to not throw the baby out with the bath water :)

    … GedMatch:
    BRC003 # QZ8281511


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    here is my timeline Attachment 12708

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    replacement of my 23andme v3 sample with my ftdna bigy

    my first ancient is

    Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary 2350 BC


    I7043


    2nd is


    Protovillanovia Martinsicuro 930 BC
    R1

    next

    Illyrian / Dalmatian 1600 BC

    I4331




    .................................................. ...


    Roman + Illyrian (5.887)
    Gallo-Roman + Roman (6.367)
    Gaul + Roman (6.871)
    Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (7.133)
    Illyrian (7.808)
    Roman (9.782)









    .................................................. ....

    timeline

    2775 BC - Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol

    Genetic Distance: 14.18
    Shared DNA: 1.74 cM





    2350 BC - Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary

    Genetic Distance: 10.09
    Shared DNA: 8.19 cM





    2250 BC - Copper Age Augsburg Bavaria

    Genetic Distance: 14.65
    Shared DNA: 2.11 cM







    and this added for the medical part which 23andme did not have

    SNP: rs12979860 (CT) - Relevance:9.2
    ~20-40% of such hepatitis c patients respond to treatment

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    hi can you tell me what exactly does that mean thank youAttachment 12711Attachment 12712Attachment 12713Attachment 12714Attachment 12715

    pity that the video I cannot post it

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    low cM, though a Top 2 Match … (beat that)

    Probably they’re picking up one of the Messapi ancestry makeup:


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    … Wrong Date / Wrong Era … SZ1 is the sample with the biggest Largest cM :) Otzi is my second:





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    i have oetzi now with my ftdna data

    Oetzi

    Oetzi (3300 BC)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: K1

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: G2a2a1a2a1a (L166)

    Deep Dive Match! 97% closer than others who share this deep dive sample






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    7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
    1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
    Top 99 % match vs all users



    8. Avar Szolad Hungary
    700 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.607 - SZ1
    Top 98 % match vs all users

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    @salento

    can you tell me what the following are 13313B and MJ12



    1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
    930 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.903 - R1
    Top 99 % match vs all users



    7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
    1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
    Top 99 % match vs all users



    17. Illyrian / Dalmatian
    1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.08 - I3313B
    Top 97 % match vs all users


    78. [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus 15.9 - MJ12
    Top 98 % match vs all users

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    … R437 Latin Praeneste cM is much higher than R850 Latin Ardea cM,

    … though total Latin R850 (y T) he’s my Favorite

    … and if there's one there's definitely tons of them !


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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    @salento

    can you tell me what the following are 13313B and MJ12



    1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
    930 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.903 - R1
    Top 99 % match vs all users



    7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
    1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
    Top 99 % match vs all users



    17. Illyrian / Dalmatian
    1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.08 - I3313B
    Top 97 % match vs all users


    78. [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus 15.9 - MJ12
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    I3313B : no gender, no Haplogroup, tough it’s not that different than 13313.

    MJ12 : female, “Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea”,
    mtDNA H35,
    Closest Ancient: Thracians,
    Modern: North Italian, Spanish Galicia, Portuguese, …
    Similar Samples: Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary (2350 BC) (7.245), Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) (7.435), Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia, Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) (8.457), Scythian Southern Moldova

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I3313B : no gender, no Haplogroup, tough it’s not that different than 13313.

    MJ12 : female, “Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea”,
    mtDNA H35,
    Closest Ancient: Thracians,
    Modern: North Italian, Spanish Galicia, Portuguese, …
    Similar Samples: Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary (2350 BC) (7.245), Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) (7.435), Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia, Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) (8.457), Scythian Southern Moldova

    thanks

    13313B is

    1 Italian-North 3.09
    2 Italian_North 5.35
    3 Kosovar 6

    I do not remember which of the Italian North represents NW italy and other NE italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    i have oetzi now with my ftdna data

    Oetzi

    Oetzi (3300 BC)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: K1

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: G2a2a1a2a1a (L166)


    Deep Dive Match! 97% closer than others who share this deep dive sample

    … nice, Otzi is cool, … literally :)

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    13313B is either the old 14331 which i do not see anymore in MTA

    or


    I know its know as HRV_MBA in dna papers


    Distance to: Torzio_scaled
    0.03371179 ILLYRIC:HRV_IA:I3313
    0.04182106 ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4331
    0.05118026 ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4332


    Target: Torzio_scaled
    Distance: 3.2832% / 0.03283246
    100.0 ILLYRIC


    13313B must be one of the bottom 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    13313B is either the old 14331 which i do not see anymore in MTA

    or


    I know its know as HRV_MBA in dna papers


    Distance to: Torzio_scaled
    0.03371179 ILLYRIC:HRV_IA:I3313
    0.04182106 ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4331
    0.05118026 ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4332


    Target: Torzio_scaled
    Distance: 3.2832% / 0.03283246
    100.0 ILLYRIC


    13313B must be one of the bottom 2
    I3313 14332 and MJ12:






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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I3313 14332 and MJ12:






    here it is ...the other 14331 ..................is this 13313B ?

    I4331, I4332, Early/Middle Bronze Age, 1700-1500 BCE

    http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
    doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616

    I4331
    mtDNA: I1a1
    Y-DNA: J2b2a

    I4332
    mtDNA: W3a1

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    or is it the Dalmatian/Ligurian 5700BCE from Cres ( a Croatian island )

    I5072
    mtDNA: H7c
    Y-DNA: G2a2a1

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    Official R Outliers
    (… with GedM… #)

    R6 # RL3009228 - Neolithic - Grotta Continenza
    R475 # EK9024010 - Iron Age - Civitavecchia
    R37 # QF4613000 - Imperial - Isola Sacra
    R116 # GS7563370 - Imperial - Via Paisiello
    R80 # CU3759345 - Imperial - Viale Rossini
    R132 # JT4987798 - Imperial - Marcellino & Pietro
    R31 # GH3133915 - Late Antiquity - Mausoleo di Augusto
    R104 # CE7473504 - Late Antiquity - Crypta Balbi
    R106 # RJ2728415 - Late Antiquity - Crypta Balbi
    R64 # QT6475496 - Medieval and early modern - Villa Magna
    R1286 # GB5258297 - Medieval and early modern - Cancelleria




    https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...Antonio_SM.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    here it is ...the other 14331 ..................is this 13313B ?

    I4331, I4332, Early/Middle Bronze Age, 1700-1500 BCE


    http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
    doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616

    I4331
    mtDNA: I1a1
    Y-DNA: J2b2a

    I4332
    mtDNA: W3a1
    Veliki Vanik (2 individuals) Veliki Vanik burial mound is located near the town ofVrgoracin Split-Dalmatia County in southern Croatia. The mound is made of rock and soil deposit with a circular base of 20 m in diameter and a relative height of 3.5 m.
    It was partly destroyed during the Early Modern Period when the stone dry wall was erected and some of the rock material was harvested from the site. Three Bronze Age graves -one in the shape of a stone coffin and two inhumations in plain soil -containing the remains of five individuals were explored during the rescue excavations.
    Radiocarbon dates
    and preserved artifacts (hair ornament made of coiled copper wire and fragments of pottery) datethese burialsto the Early/MiddleBronze Age.28
    I4331/ VV1Poorly preserved subadult (5-7 years).
    I4332/ VV3Well-preserved adult female (40to 50 years). This individual exhibits an antemortem oval-shaped fracture on the frontal bone.

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    @Torzio

    I found and processed the I4331 Bam

    ... it might be different than the MTA file,

    I4331 RawData download:

    I4331 Combined:
    https://www.mediafire.com/file/x6aqx...bined.zip/file

    I4331 AncestryDNA format:
    https://www.mediafire.com/file/fc1pa...ry_V2.zip/file

    I4331 FTDNA format:
    https://www.mediafire.com/file/ee6zb...NA_V2.zip/file



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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @Torzio

    I found and processed the I4331 Bam

    ... it might be different than the MTA file,

    I4331 RawData download:

    I4331 Combined:
    https://www.mediafire.com/file/x6aqx...bined.zip/file

    I4331 AncestryDNA format:
    https://www.mediafire.com/file/fc1pa...ry_V2.zip/file

    I4331 FTDNA format:
    https://www.mediafire.com/file/ee6zb...NA_V2.zip/file


    I take this guy :)





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