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    My cousin from BA Italy



    57. Heneti Italic Tribe Grottuna dei Covoloni del Broion Italy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @Torzio

    I found and processed the I4331 Bam

    ... it might be different than the MTA file,

    I4331 RawData download:

    I4331 Combined:
    https://www.mediafire.com/file/x6aqx...bined.zip/file

    I4331 AncestryDNA format:
    https://www.mediafire.com/file/fc1pa...ry_V2.zip/file

    I4331 FTDNA format:
    https://www.mediafire.com/file/ee6zb...NA_V2.zip/file



    thanks ............so MTA has all 3 samples ...I4331, I4332 and I3313 ?

    what is i3313B then if not one of these?
    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ... K1a4p
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    thanks ............so MTA has all 3 samples ...I4331, I4332 and I3313 ?

    what is i3313B then if not one of these?
    I’m processing I3313,
    … unless they’re Twins, I3313 and I3313B are the same Ancient person.

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    ... deep dive shows that I3313 and I3313B are the same person, though are distinct in Archaeogenetic Top Matches (# 1 and 2) … maybe a new reformatted data, a glitch, or a work in progress.







    I3313 Raw-Data:

    Combined:
    https://www.mediafire.com/file/3th0v...bined.zip/file

    AncestryDNA format:
    https://www.mediafire.com/file/5pyqt...ry_V2.zip/file

    FTDNA format:
    https://www.mediafire.com/file/snwg2...NA_V2.zip/file
    Last edited by Salento; 01-06-21 at 00:14.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... deep dive shows that I3313 and I3313B are the same person, though are distinct in Archaeogenetic Top Matches (# 1 and 2) … maybe a new reformatted data, a glitch, or a work in progress.
    Could you make a full list of all the GEDmatch kits you have for ancient samples? That would be very convenient and helpful, thanks in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Er Monnezza View Post
    Could you make a full list of all the GEDmatch kits you have for ancient samples? That would be very convenient and helpful, thanks in advance!
    I don't have easy access to all my data right now, but here are the Romans:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I don't have easy access to all my data right now, but here are the Romans:
    Thank you so much for your work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... deep dive shows that I3313 and I3313B are the same person, though are distinct in Archaeogenetic Top Matches (# 1 and 2) … maybe a new reformatted data, a glitch, or a work in progress.







    I3313 Raw-Data:

    Combined:
    https://www.mediafire.com/file/3th0v...bined.zip/file

    AncestryDNA format:
    https://www.mediafire.com/file/5pyqt...ry_V2.zip/file

    FTDNA format:
    https://www.mediafire.com/file/snwg2...NA_V2.zip/file
    Also to me are displayed I3313 and I3313B:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Er Monnezza View Post
    Thank you so much for your work!
    … you’re welcome … Er Monn…
    I know that movie, ... lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Also to me are displayed I3313 and I3313B:

    …. they’re probably running two different file formats of the same sample.

    I uploaded I3313, … I3313B showed up as a massive deep dive match, … could be the same person, a twin, or a close sibling, I Think.


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    @Salento
    I agree.
    I believe that I3313 and I3313B are the same individual and the difference between the two samples displayed on MTA must be an experiment of data imputation in I3313B, I don’t know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ETR001








    Very cool, Salento.
    These short videos of MTA are nice too. In the case of the Gallo-Roman parade below, I got a flea behind my ear (a Brazilian expression to refer to something that is bothering you). Notice that the rightmost centurion in the video slaps the standard bearer on the waist to make him change direction and follow the correct path. These Gallo-Romans look like a troop that lost the war and is preparing the surrender to the enemy, lol.

    964B45A5-85E7-4F45-B1DF-9F7BBD75B5F1.jpg

    https://imgur.com/a/d7OQhwI


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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Very cool, Salento.
    These short videos of MTA are nice too. In the case of the Gallo-Roman parade below, I got a flea behind my ear (a Brazilian expression to refer to something that is bothering you). Notice that the rightmost centurion in the video slaps the standard bearer on the waist to make him change direction and follow the correct path. These Gallo-Romans look like a troop that lost the war and is preparing the surrender to the enemy, lol.

    964B45A5-85E7-4F45-B1DF-9F7BBD75B5F1.jpg

    https://imgur.com/a/d7OQhwI
    … MTA is entertaining, … I also like the Deep Dive and the Chrome apps, … they should improve the Matching Samples and the Modern algorithms, … some of the names too :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    … MTA is entertaining, … I also like the Deep Dive and the Chrome apps, … they should improve the Matching Samples and the Modern algorithms, … some of the names too :)

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    first time this appeared................using Ftdna data ................23andme data did not show this up

    Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic

    I3403 (1805 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: X2d

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: T1a2 (L131)

    Genetic Distance: 21.441
    Sample Match! 93% closer than other users

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    first time this appeared................using Ftdna data ................23andme data did not show this up

    Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic

    I3403 (1805 AD)

    mtDNA Haplogroup: X2d

    Y-DNA Haplogroup: T1a2 (L131)


    Genetic Distance: 21.441
    Sample Match! 93% closer than other users
    with GedM…: got y and mt relatives on Skeleton Lake:

    I3403 (y T1a2) - 9.8 cM - 5.5 Generations
    I3404 (mt H12) - 7.1 cM - 7.5 Generations

    I3403


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    EDIT: … on MTA:
    Last edited by Salento; 08-06-21 at 15:47.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ETR001








    This is more proof though, that this calculator is not reliable. ETR001 clusters with and is closest to Southern Italians/Sicilians; not Tuscans.

    Here is the PCA from the study it is from:



    G25 also put them with Lazio, which I am sure is Northern Lazio.

    Only Dodecad seems to get it right, and put them closest to Southern Italians, with Campania as the first population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Distance to: ETR001
    6.38203729 Italian_Campania
    7.03265242 Italian_Abruzzo
    7.62693910 Italian_Sicily
    8.38596446 Italian_Calabria
    8.38833142 Italian_Marche
    9.60335879 Italian_Lazio
    9.96289115 Ashkenazi_Jews
    9.96578647 Italian_Apulia
    10.96518582 Italian_Jews
    11.02515760 Moldovan_Jewish
    11.19228752 Greek_Lemnos
    11.26296586 Italian_Romagna
    11.56550474 French_Corsica
    12.23690320 Greek_Central
    12.30425130 Greek_Fournoi
    12.35916664 Greek_Athens
    12.37459494 Greek_Foca
    12.60453490 Greek_Izmir
    12.77140556 Sephardic_Jews
    13.30770078 Greek_Crete
    13.32534052 Italian_Tuscany
    13.33030007 Greek_Icaria
    13.47303975 Morocco_Jews
    14.03145039 Greek_Kos
    14.16424018 Greek_Peloponnese

    Distance to: ETR001
    5.72585365 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    6.56417550 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    7.93676256 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    8.87417602 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    8.93407522 EMBA_Greece_(n=6)
    10.23708455 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    10.29304134 Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
    10.80237474 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    12.19273964 Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
    15.07897211 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    16.92457976 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    17.19678749 Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7)
    17.57018497 Etruscans_(n=3)
    17.58842801 Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)
    17.74870418 Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
    17.85048179 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    18.12963044 Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)
    18.21896265 Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)
    18.99202464 Villanovans_(n=2)
    19.58193300 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    19.98121117 Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=8)
    20.12171464 Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
    21.18671046 LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8)
    21.97552730 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    22.54377076 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2)

    Distance to: Jovialis
    7.95983668 ETR001
    Here are the results from the other thread.

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    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post625658
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    From MTA results northern italians seem not to be of part gallic ancestry, they don't match in deep dive analysis with neolithic France samples or gallic chariot burials, instead the iberian people yes. I have matches with Frankish gauls, but I think these are due to a germanic signature from the middle age. What do you think about it?

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    Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona
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    Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 45)
    5 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 33.12 cM
    Largest chain: 161 SNPs / 9.7 cM


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    Seleucid + Scythian (9.124)
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    1. Macedonian (5.131)
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    Quote Originally Posted by hail1996 View Post
    From MTA results northern italians seem not to be of part gallic ancestry, they don't match in deep dive analysis with neolithic France samples or gallic chariot burials, instead the iberian people yes. I have matches with Frankish gauls, but I think these are due to a germanic signature from the middle age. What do you think about it?
    Apart from the fact that not all of northern Italy was Celtic/Gaulish, the Celtic presence in northern Italy can be ascribed at least to two different sources. The earliest Celtic presence in northern Italy was the Celts of Golasecca who spoke a Lepontic language, which I believe is still considered the oldest attested Celtic language. Then there were small migratory movements of Celts, material culture of the type La Tène. The Gauls who invaded northern Italy in the 4th century BC were not actually very numerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    Apart from the fact that not all of northern Italy was Celtic/Gaulish, the Celtic presence in northern Italy can be ascribed at least to two different sources. The earliest Celtic presence in northern Italy was the Celts of Golasecca who spoke a Lepontic language, which I believe is still considered the oldest attested Celtic language. Then there were small migratory movements of Celts, material culture of the type La Tène. The Gauls who invaded northern Italy in the 4th century BC were not actually very numerous.

    the 4th century gaulish migration must have been numerous because the cenomani settled in modern verona, the Boii settled around modern Bologna and the semnos arrived on the coast to be butchered to the last man by the Romans circa 100BC

    I don't think the Halstatt celts and the La tene celts where the exact same peoples as there is more than 500 years apart in time

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    Quote Originally Posted by hail1996 View Post
    From MTA results northern italians seem not to be of part gallic ancestry, they don't match in deep dive analysis with neolithic France samples or gallic chariot burials, instead the iberian people yes. I have matches with Frankish gauls, but I think these are due to a germanic signature from the middle age. What do you think about it?
    What's interesting is that I consistently get something (N)W in calculators, and my parents don't get that much, even if overall I'm a bit more Southern shifted in relation to them. For example, I score above average (North Italy as reference) for Atlantic_Med in K12b, above average for Atlantic in K15, and FTDNA and MyHeritage keep giving me relatively high %s related to UK, such 32% in the former and something around 30% in the latter. I don't score for British in 23andMe, however, Brittany (France) shows up in there as a Likely Match. Angela suggested this matching in 23andMe could be explained by some Gallic ancestry. It does seem possible.
    However, among old samples, one of the "Illyrians" tends to show up as my first in similarity tools, including MTA.

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