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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I think they also need to make some updates, since some are yielding significantly fewer results. 23andme doesn't reveal any for me currently. However, I hope I won't have to delete, and re-upload my raw data again to see.
    NG Helix results.
    (“Something” has been done right after all to outmatch 23) LOL



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    I should also note that despite the fact that the 23andme formatted superkit, and AncestryDNA formated superkit, produce the same results for every feature. Except for the Deep dive; one produces a mediocre amount, the other produces none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    http://www.beholdgenealogy.com/blog/?p=2136

    Here this blogger also confirms they are exactly the same, line by line.
    Thanks Jovialis :) I believe that you can skip on Myheritage. The two companies produce the same data raw.
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    MyHeritage has just switched to a custom GSA chip.

    just sayin'

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    Dante Labs does whole genome sequencing. They provide the raw data as a VCF file. Currently it is accepted by Gedmatch, as well as Mytrueancestry. Right now, it is only $229. Pretty soon it will be as cheap as the standard genotyping I bet.

    http://www.beholdgenealogy.com/blog/?p=2879

    Now I know what I want for Christmas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Dante Labs does whole genome sequencing. They provide the raw data as a VCF file. Currently it is accepted by Gedmatch, as well as Mytrueancestry. Right now, it is only $229. Pretty soon it will be as cheap as the standard genotyping I bet.

    http://www.beholdgenealogy.com/blog/?p=2879

    Now I know what I want for Christmas.


    As a matter of fact, Dante labs is the only one that allows you to utilize the medical add-on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    Now i feel a bit king Pithana or Suppiluliuma...





    Here is a PCA posted by Lazaridis on twitter. Below is a zoned in edit I made showing the positions of where the Italian groups land, in the Raveane et al paper. I wonder if they had a sample from Kumtepe_pub, how much I would get.


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    my grandfather's result
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    Gaul + Gallo-Roman (4.866)
    Gaul + Thracian (5.522)
    Gaul (8.086)
    Gallo-Roman (8.595)
    Thracian (8.85)
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    1. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (8.086) - [Upgrade for more details]
    2. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (8.595) - [Upgrade for more details]
    3. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (8.602) - [Upgrade for more details]
    4. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (8.85) - [Upgrade for more details]
    5. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (8.85) - [Upgrade for more details]
    6. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (8.857) - [Upgrade for more details]
    7. Central Roman (670 AD) (9.77) - [Upgrade for more details]
    8. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (10.44) - [Upgrade for more details]
    9. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (10.66) - [Upgrade for more details]
    10. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (10.93) - [Upgrade for more details]
    11. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.0) - [Upgrade for more details]
    12. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.04) - [Upgrade for more details]
    13. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (11.32) - [Upgrade for more details]
    14. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (12.1) - [Upgrade for more details]
    15. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (12.44) - [Upgrade for more details]
    16. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.46) - [Upgrade for more details]
    17. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (12.53) - [Upgrade for more details]
    18. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (13.59) - [Upgrade for more details]
    19. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (13.69) - [Upgrade for more details]
    20. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (13.77) - [Upgrade for more details]
    21. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (14.48) - [Upgrade for more details]
    22. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (17.72) - [Upgrade for more details]
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    29. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (20.11) - [Upgrade for more details]
    30. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (20.13) - [Upgrade for more details]
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    only 1 deep dive
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    Alemannic Bavaria
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    Total cM=29.71
    Largest segment=9.05 cM (4 shared)
    Father's Mtdna H95a1
    Grandfather Mtdna T2b24
    Great Grandfather Mtdna T1a1e
    GMother paternal side YDna R1b-S8172
    Mother's YDna R1a-Z282

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    Guys, do you really didn';t notice that?:)

    This is just biggest bullshit lately on Genetic Internet...

    Do you know your one-to-many list on Gematch? What is your highest match (besides close family like parents) for me about 30 cM. And Gedmatch says common ancestor was about 4.5 generation ago.



    So what the hell means if you have common 80 cM with sample from Bronze Age Jutland? (It was example from another forum, but here were also posted very high "ancient matches") How many generation ago it was? Go figure It is impossible and completely biased result.




    Posting it, is like posting random numbers taken from the... Nobody can defend those cM values in two post above. Unless you believe you match 3500 years old sample on the same level as 3rd cousin...

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    Some facial reconstruction of a skull has been done of some of the results that are being put.

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    My deep dive

    Alemannic Bavaria
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    BIM_33
    Total cM=47.45
    Largest segment=14.55 cM (5 shared)


    Crete Armenoi
    1370 BC
    I9123
    Total cM=8.56
    Largest segment=8.56 cM (1 shared)


    Mycenaean
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    Total cM=4.18
    Largest segment=4.18 cM (1 shared)

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    After all, who can say with certainty what is a bullshit and what is or who is right or wrong? One of the four major autosomal testing companies of the world says I have 1,165 cousins ​​scattered around the world. Below, part of the list of some of the countries where I have cousins:



    The first one on the list of cousins is a German woman, my first or second cousin, with whom I share 11 segments of DNA totaling 213 cm (3%), the longest being 51.1 cm. Neither I do believe in this, nor She, so much so that we never contact each other:




    Just a genetic coincidence. Genes combine randomly. They play, they fun with us. She and me have only one genetic similarity. She is not my first cousin and neither am I her first cousin. I'm also not a cousin of the other 1,164 people that are on the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlukas View Post
    Guys, do you really didn';t notice that?:)

    This is just biggest bullshit lately on Genetic Internet...

    Do you know your one-to-many list on Gematch? What is your highest match (besides close family like parents) for me about 30 cM. And Gedmatch says common ancestor was about 4.5 generation ago.



    So what the hell means if you have common 80 cM with sample from Bronze Age Jutland? (It was example from another forum, but here were also posted very high "ancient matches") How many generation ago it was? Go figure It is impossible and completely biased result.




    Posting it, is like posting random numbers taken from the... Nobody can defend those cM values in two post above. Unless you believe you match 3500 years old sample on the same level as 3rd cousin...
    who has 80cm ?

    I have 79cm with a match from 1780

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    ^^
    Me. If you would pay more attention to me and do not go on Sundays to the football game ...

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    Modern Populations
    1. Welsh (5.566)
    2. Southwest_English (7.584)
    3. West_German (7.586)
    4. South_Dutch (7.637)
    5. North_Dutch (8.732)
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    Ancient Populations
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    Frank (5.95)
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    Deep Dive
    Late Medieval Gotlander 1600 ADTotal cM=17.01 Largest segment=11.21 cM

    Archaeogenetic Matches
    1. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (5.95) - SZ23
    2. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (6.164) - ALH_1
    3. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) (7.684) - I0112
    4. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.978) - I3875
    5. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.259) - CL92
    6. Bell Beaker Poland (2500 BC) (8.434) - I4251
    7. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (8.88) - BIM_33
    8. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (8.901) - Hinxton HS3
    9. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (9.002) - Shohola
    10. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (9.168) - SZ16
    11. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (9.273) - Unknown
    12. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (9.493) - Rise61
    13. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (9.687) - Sigtuna stg021
    14. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (9.723) - Rise577
    15. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (9.967) - 3DRIF-16
    16. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (9.967) - SZ38
    17. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (10.18) - SZ15
    18. Halstatt (775 BC) (10.2) - DA112
    19. Celt / Hungary (590 AD) (10.33) - SZ42
    20. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (10.58) - CL102
    21. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (10.92) - SZ12
    22. Alemannic Bavaria (425 AD) (11.0) - STR_316
    23. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.1) - SZ8
    24. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.27) - SZ14
    25. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (11.45) - AED_249
    26. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (11.48) - 6DRIF-21
    27. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (11.49) - 6DRIF-22
    28. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (11.63) - I5383
    29. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.78) - SZ24
    30. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.8) - SZ7
    31. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (11.82) - 6DRIF-18
    32. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (12.13) - CL84
    33. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (12.31) - SZ11
    34. Bronze Age Germany (1050 BC) (12.32) - I0099
    35. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (12.41) - Sigtuna grt036
    36. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (12.62) - Hinxton 4
    37. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (12.62) - SZ9
    38. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (12.75) - VDP-A6
    39. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (12.78) - DA119
    40. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (12.8) - SZ5
    41. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (12.85) - Hinxton 1
    42. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (13.31) - CL145
    43. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (13.31) - AED_106
    44. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (13.68) - SZ22
    45. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (13.73) - DA199
    46. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (13.85) - ALH_10
    47. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (13.86) - CL47
    48. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (13.94) - Rathlin2
    49. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (13.94) - CL53
    50. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (13.99) - SZ18
    51. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (14.02) - CL93
    52. Pict (670 AD) (14.08) - CL83
    53. Bell Beaker Germany (2250 BC) (14.12) - I0806
    54. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (14.23) - CL63
    55. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (14.27) - SZ4
    56. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (14.45) - 6DRIF-3
    57. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (14.55) - CL146
    58. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (14.72) - Rise150
    59. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (14.8) - SZ2
    60. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (14.82) - Hinxton HS1



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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
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    Yes it's true. Previously they related the ancient samples that came close to the distance of 20. Now they relate the ancient samples that came close near the distance of 30.
    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    After all, who can say with certainty what is a bullshit and what is or who is right or wrong? One of the four major autosomal testing companies of the world says I have 1,165 cousins ​​scattered around the world. Below, part of the list of some of the countries where I have cousins:

    The first one on the list of cousins is a German woman, my first or second cousin, with whom I share 11 segments of DNA totaling 213 cm (3%), the longest being 51.1 cm. Neither I do believe in this, nor She, so much so that we never contact each other:



    Just a genetic coincidence. Genes combine randomly. They play, they fun with us. She and me have only one genetic similarity. She is not my first cousin and neither am I her first cousin. I'm also not a cousin of the other 1,164 people that are on the list.
    I'm curious about this as well. I find it hard to believe I match with that many people in Norway, but almost all of those matches are from the same area of western Norway that my grandfather came from. So, I do find it interesting and somewhat curious but I also understand many of these genetic similarities are also by chance. These below links seem to be all over the map.



    So, it matches up with THREE of these locations in the "deep dive" Do I actually share 40cm of DNA with someone from the 1600's? It's possible I suppose but I'm not sure what the relationship would be.












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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    After all, who can say with certainty what is a bullshit and what is or who is right or wrong? One of the four major autosomal testing companies of the world says I have 1,165 cousins ​​scattered around the world. Below, part of the list of some of the countries where I have cousins:



    The first one on the list of cousins is a German woman, my first or second cousin, with whom I share 11 segments of DNA totaling 213 cm (3%), the longest being 51.1 cm. Neither I do believe in this, nor She, so much so that we never contact each other:




    Just a genetic coincidence. Genes combine randomly. They play, they fun with us. She and me have only one genetic similarity. She is not my first cousin and neither am I her first cousin. I'm also not a cousin of the other 1,164 people that are on the list.
    You don't understand it or just ********?
    You compare matches of real people from MyHeritage with ancient samples from few thousands years?:)

    Simply you can't inherit so many cM (50, 60, 80 or more) from ancient samples lived thousand years ago. This is clue of my post.
    All those numbers are probably make up randomly for everyone who was sto stupid to pay for it.

    Here is post from 23&me forum, not mine but user RandalGibbs.
    1 cM by definition is the length of DNA that has a 1% chance of recombination during meiosis. For longer segments you can estimate the chance of recombination in a single generation based on the cM length. For example a 20cM segment has about an 80% chance of remaining intact and a 20% chance of being recombined. (It's not exactly 80/20 because it could have multiple recombinations). If the segment remains intact, there is a 50/50 chance it is passed down. For a 20cM segment of your parent's DNA, there is about a 40% chance you'll get the whole thing, 40% you'll get none of it and 20% it will recombine and you'll only get part of it.Obviously each generation decreases the likelihood of getting an intact segment of over 20cM from an ancestor. I could imagine a segment of that size surviving recombination for many generations, perhaps a few hundred years, but can't see how it would survive for thousands of year.

    I wrote a recombination simulator. It is the first step in a project I may never finish to estimate the amount of DNA that should be shared by relatives based not only on the relationship, but by the number of males and females in the relationship path. (There is less recombination in males than females. You get 50% from each set of grandparents, but are likely to have fewer but longer paternal segments while you have more but shorter maternal segments).
    I just ran my simulator a few times and the longest segment that it showed surviving 100 generations (roughly 3000 years) was about 7cM. I got quite a few segments 4-6cM and a few over 7cM, but none that were 8cM. I can't see how some of the images above are correct showing a segment over 20cM shared with someone who lived 3000 years, like shown in the first 2 images above (2450BC, 2500BC) That doesn't seem plausible to me.

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    I could be wrong, but if he is who I think he is, he’s proving not to be a good sport.

    He’s afraid of the competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I could be wrong, but if he is who I think he is, he’s proving not to be a good sport.

    He’s afraid of the competition.
    If you refer to me, I don't make products related to ancient genomes. So it isn't my competitor.

    First thing. They use for modern population distances on 99% K15 Eurogenes.
    Why K15? Simply compare your single distances (for modern populations) and population ordering on the list, in mytruancestry and K15. Selling people results from free K15 is not good practice, isn't it?

    Moreover I simply can't resist if someone deliberately fools people and sell them "upgrades" which shows fake cM values for "ancient matches".

    If you don't agree with me please explain how it is possible to have ancient match with few thousands years sample, with cM level equaling some close cousin:) I'm waiting for your scholar opinion...Above I posted opinion of guy more experienced than me in such things.
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    Bronze age Jutland Denmark is this case or it is about another individual?






    Analyses suggest that she could have come from south Germany, France, Sweden, or The Czech Republic, and researchers are now trying to pinpoint her exact origins to see just how far she may have travelled.

    I have taken 80.11 cM with this beauty of the Bronze Age but how to know if it is for Y DNA or mitochondrial DNA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    Bronze age Jutland Denmark is this case?


    Analyses suggest that she could have come from south Germany, France, Sweden, or The Czech Republic, and researchers are now trying to pinpoint her exact origins to see just how far she may have travelled.

    I have taken 80 cM with this beauty of the Bronze Age but how to know if it is for Y DNA or mitochondrial DNA?
    Not only Bronze Age Jutland. Some people have hilariously high cM values for Alemanns, Myceanians or Scythians. Simply open your one-to-many list on Gedmatch or match list in FTDNA and compare cM values with those living people. And check with whom and how many you have such high matches.

    And now calculate generation number which lasted from Brozne or Iron Age... There are all fake results. Not matter where they lived, 50, 100 or 150 generations erased all substantial cM values in common with them.

    https://isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_statistics

    Here table from ISOGG



    And did you really think Jutland sample is someone living today 3rd cousing according to table:)?

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    The interesting thing would be to compare in Gedmatch my kit with Jutland Bronze Age

    How do I know if my match with Age Bronze Denmark is by mitochondrial DNA or by Y DNA?

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    I ain’t a Scholar of anything.

    In case of conflict of interest, Full Disclosure is a must.

    People need to know from which angle a criticism is coming from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @mlucas

    I ain’t a Scholar of anything.

    In case of conflict of interest, Full Disclosure is a must.

    People need to know from which angle a criticism is coming from.
    I criticize openly under mine nick. You could be suspicious if I theoretically create new account and post as sock acting as average user...

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