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    Living DNA still shows the most results, despite having the least SNPs of all the raw data versions I have. While my Superkit in Ancestry format, has the most, and only shows a modest amount of results. Perhaps because the amount of SNPs being used fills out more information, and more correctly shows what my actual results should be with this calculator? I don't think more results on the map necessarily indicate that it is more accurate. Idk But I do know more SNPs should yield more information. It is either the other ones a false matches being assigned to various samples, that is fleshed out more with more SNPs. Many of samples I get were all influenced and overlap with the Anatolian copper-age, so I can see how it (or any calculator really) could mistakenly assign those samples. Or the format in Living DNA just works better this calculator.

    Ancestry by itself shows more results on the map, but the Superkit, in the same format shows slightly less. So perhaps that now that it has more SNPs to go by, it more correctly assigns the samples. Nevertheless, in 23andme format, it shows nothing, so format of the raw data is definitely a factor.

    Oddly, my brother, and mother's 23andme raw data show about as much on their map, as my Living DNA kit does. They're using the same version as me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post

    I get similar results from Great Britain, for Living DNA. But this sort of touches upon what I'm talking about. There is no way in hell that these results are accurate for a Pugliesi. These are probably used in place of a more accurate sample, that is not used by the algorithm. There is some overlapping population that exists between them. Perhaps it could even be mostly attributed the Aegean Farmers that went on the build Stonehenge. To me that seems like the only viable explanation for the overlap, because I doubt it was anything more recent. Perhaps even some very old WHG; I know that Puglia gets a relatively large amount of that. Because the steppe ancestry in Puglia is very low, and is not associated with Yamnaya, particularly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Deep-Dive Map:


    Archaeological Map:


    Premium Map:
    @Jovialis

    I posted these results because they are the only ones with a Full Deep-Dive Map.
    The other deep-dive maps are still blanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I get similar results from Great Britain, for Living DNA. But this sort of touches upon what I'm talking about. There is no way in hell that these results are accurate for a Pugliesi. These are probably used in place of a more accurate sample, that is not used by the algorithm. There is some overlapping population that exists between them. Perhaps it could even be mostly attributed the Aegean Farmers that went on the build Stonehenge. To me that seems like the only viable explanation for the overlap, because I doubt it was anything more recent. Perhaps even some very old WHG; I know that Puglia gets a relatively large amount of that. Because the steppe ancestry in Puglia is very low, and is not associated with Yamnaya, particularly.


    I was running 1 to 1 comparison because it’s not just LivDNA showing G.B.
    Got 1.8 cM with the England-Roman soldier.

    MDLP K11

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++

    1 Armenia_MLBA + Bell_Beaker + British_Roman + Tyrolean_Iceman_EN @ 2.321840
    2 Armenia_MLBA + Bell_Beaker + British_Roman + Europe_EN @ 2.443927
    3 Armenia_LBA + Bell_Beaker + British_Roman + Hungary_EN @ 2.601341

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post


    I was running 1 to 1 comparison because it’s not just LivDNA showing G.B.
    Got 1.8 cM with the England-Roman soldier.

    MDLP K11

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++

    1 Armenia_MLBA + Bell_Beaker + British_Roman + Tyrolean_Iceman_EN @ 2.321840
    2 Armenia_MLBA + Bell_Beaker + British_Roman + Europe_EN @ 2.443927
    3 Armenia_LBA + Bell_Beaker + British_Roman + Hungary_EN @ 2.601341
    Even so, that could just be overlapping ancient ancestry. Moreover, even with something like AncestryDNA, less than 10 cM could very well be a false match with a person living today. So 1.8cM with an ancient sample, has an exponentially higher likelihood of being a false match, I would think.

    Nevertheless, there is probably something to the fact that the calculator picks it up. Whether the cM amounts are accurate or not. Though I think it is a much broader association to the sample.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Even so, that could just be overlapping ancient ancestry. Moreover, even with something like AncestryDNA, less than 10 cM could very well be a false match with a person living today. So 1.8cM with an ancient sample, has a exponentially higher likelihood of being a false match, I would think.

    Nevertheless, there is probably something to the fact that the calculator picks it up. Whether the cM amounts are accurate or not. Though I think it is a much broader association to the sample.


    I recommend people check out this video regarding cousins, and cM amounts. It really clears up everything regarding this discussion, and as to why people get different cM vs this calculator on GEDmatch.

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    There's a pattern, and 11+% seems way too high of a number for a simple overlap.

    It could be left over from the Normans and the Lombards.

    or it’s Roman-Era DNA wrongly assigned to some British areas.

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    Thats far too recent, it would show up as northwestern european in 23andme, and ancestryDNA.

    Perhaps it could be true for other parts of the south. But I don't think the lombards or the normans left any significant genetic impact where we are from. Puglia has been shown to have significant Bronze-Age heritage, and the only other non-trival source is from the balkans, throughout history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Thats far too recent, it would show up as northwestern european in 23andme, and ancestryDNA.

    Perhaps it could be true for other parts of the south. But I don't think the lombards or the normans left any significant genetic impact where we are from. Puglia has been shown to have significant Bronze-Age heritage, and the only other non-trival source is from the balkans, throughout history.
    I’m not disagreeing with you.


    Mistaken Identity:

    The LivDNA GB map match the Roman-Era towns and settlements in the South, nothing in middle, and then it starts again with the Antonine wall in West Scotland.

    In all my K36 Similarity Maps, Scotland is higher by a couple of points than England in all my Raw-Data (maybe something really bad happened up there to cause a DNA spike so far North, but It didn’t make it into any history book)

    Add also MDLP and 1 to 1 Comp.

    Too many coincidences.

    Putting everything together, the possibility of Roman DNA assigned by mistake to some GB areas is very high.

    imho

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    Matches of MyTrueAncestry ancient samples compared with matches of the same ancient samples uploaded to the GEDmatch.







    Last edited by Duarte; 05-05-19 at 21:48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    My Map:

    At first look, your Deep-Dive map has many similarities to mine and one of Jovialis.

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    ooops :P

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    I don't seem to get as many hits on this map compared to previous maps. It really doesn't tell me a whole lot. I think? I don't believe the two Scandinavian components are related since I have that ancestry on both sides of the family with 3 great-grandparents that are 100% Scandinavian. (Danish & Norwegian)



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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    grandfather above and mine below
    Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
    1. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (8.252) - [Upgrade for more details]
    2. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (8.921) - [Upgrade for more details]
    3. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (9.498) - [Upgrade for more details]
    4. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (9.723) - [Upgrade for more details]
    5. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (9.779) - [Upgrade for more details]
    6. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (10.35) - [Upgrade for more details]
    7. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (11.38) - [Upgrade for more details]
    8. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (11.38) - [Upgrade for more details]
    9. Central Roman (670 AD) (12.07) - [Upgrade for more details]
    10. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (12.14) - [Upgrade for more details]
    11. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (12.81) - [Upgrade for more details]
    12. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.95) - [Upgrade for more details]
    13. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (13.2) - [Upgrade for more details]
    14. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (13.26) - [Upgrade for more details]
    15. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.43) - [Upgrade for more details]
    16. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.71) - [Upgrade for more details]
    17. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (13.83) - [Upgrade for more details]
    18. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (14.31) - [Upgrade for more details]
    19. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (15.0) - [Upgrade for more details]
    20. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (15.09) - [Upgrade for more details]
    21. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (15.13) - [Upgrade for more details]
    22. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (17.79) - [Upgrade for more details]
    23. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (18.69) - [Upgrade for more details]
    24. Celt / Hungary (590 AD) (19.96) - [Upgrade for more details]
    25. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) (20.01) - [Upgrade for more details]
    26. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (20.08) - [Upgrade for more details]
    27. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (20.16) - [Upgrade for more details]
    28. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (20.24) - [Upgrade for more details]
    29. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (20.39) - [Upgrade for more details]
    30. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (20.46) - [Upgrade for more details]
    31. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (20.69) - [Upgrade for more details]
    32. Bell Beaker Poland (2500 BC) (20.79) - [Upgrade for more details]
    33. Hungary Iron Age (800 BC) (20.8) - [Upgrade for more details]
    34. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (21.38) - [Upgrade for more details]
    35. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (21.78) - [Upgrade for more details]
    36. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (22.24) - [Upgrade for more details]
    37. Halstatt (775 BC) (22.36) - [Upgrade for more details]
    38. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (22.38) - [Upgrade for more details]
    39. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (23.02) - [Upgrade for more details]
    40. Crete Armenoi (1370 BC) (23.32) - [Upgrade for more details]
    .
    .
    deep dive
    Alemannic Bavaria
    450 AD
    Total cM=10.82
    Largest segment=5.56 cM (5 shared. Sample quality: 9)

    .
    .
    Illyrian / Dalmatia
    1200 BC
    Total cM=1.66
    Largest segment=1.66 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 40)

    .................................................. .................................
    my father was updated to
    Roman + Illyrian (4.913)
    Gallo-Roman + Roman (6.367)
    Gallo-Roman (7.349)
    Illyrian (7.471)
    Roman (9.665)

    ..
    Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany
    300 BC
    Total cM=4.36
    Largest segment=4.36 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 81)
    .
    Mycenaean
    1350 BC
    Total cM=1.83
    Largest segment=1.83 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 9)
    .
    Germano-Celtic Gladiator York
    250 AD
    Total cM=1.24
    Largest segment=1.24 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 18)
    my father ( sile ) map below

    .
    my new map below
    Father's Mtdna H95a1
    Grandfather Mtdna T2b24
    Great Grandfather Mtdna T1a1e
    GMother paternal side YDna R1b-S8172
    Mother's YDna R1a-Z282

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    Most of the comments here have focused on European matches. However, my "closest Archaeogenetic match" is to "Colonial American Pennsylvania 1700 AD." That makes sense since many of my family passed through that area in that period, but does anyone know what sample or GEDMatch kit this refers to?

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    My results at the beginning ....



    You have ancient relatives!


    Alemannic Bavaria
    450 AD
    BIM_33
    Total cM=47.45
    Largest segment=14.55 cM (5 shared)


    Crete Armenoi
    1370 BC
    I9123
    Total cM=8.56
    Largest segment=8.56 cM (1 shared)


    Mycenaean
    1350 BC
    I9033
    Total cM=4.18
    Largest segment=4.18 cM (1 shared)



    And later....


    Alemannic Bavaria
    450 AD
    BIM_33
    Total cM=10.16
    Largest segment=3.11 cM (5 shared. Sample quality: 9)


    Crete Armenoi
    1370 BC
    I9123
    Total cM=1.83
    Largest segment=1.83 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 2)



    Mycenaean
    1350 BC
    I9033
    Total cM=0.89
    Largest segment=0.89 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 9)

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    Small changes here too. I'll take them with a grain of salt:

    Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

    1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83
    2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92
    3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383
    4. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15
    5. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4
    6. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6
    7. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18
    8. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown
    9. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3
    10. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875
    11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12
    12. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146
    13. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14
    14. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145
    15. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249
    16. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23
    17. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84
    18. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255
    19. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4
    20. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2
    21. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (8.208) - Shohola
    22. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.313) - ALH_1
    23. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.569) - 6DRIF-3
    24. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (8.625) - DA119
    25. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.781) - Sigtuna grt035
    26. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.802) - SZ7
    27. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.85) - SZ22
    28. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (8.853) - Hinxton 1
    29. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.935) - Sigtuna stg021
    30. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.941) - SZ23
    31. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (9.008) - ALH_10
    32. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.114) - SZ8
    33. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (9.485) - SZ38
    34. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (9.594) - Rise577
    35. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) (9.62) - I0112
    36. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (9.788) - Hinxton HS1
    37. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.91) - SZ9
    38. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (9.952) - Rise61
    39. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.13) - CL93
    40. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (10.43) - SZ16
    41. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.6) - 3DRIF-16
    42. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (10.7) - SZ11
    43. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.81) - CL151
    44. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.82) - 6DRIF-21
    45. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (11.2) - Rise150
    46. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.21) - SZ2
    47. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (11.25) - Sigtuna 84001
    48. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (11.32) - BIM_33
    49. Ireland Copper Age (1635 BC) (11.33) - Rathlin3
    50. Bronze Age Germany (1050 BC) (11.35) - I0099
    51. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.59) - SZ24
    52. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.9) - SZ13
    53. Bronze Age Netherlands (1775 BC) (11.92) - I4071
    54. Early Viking Sweden (500 AD) (12.08) - Rise174 Oxie7
    55. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (12.11) - Hinxton3 HS2
    56. Alemannic Bavaria (425 AD) (12.17) - STR_316
    57. Bronze Age Jutland Denmark (1400 BC) (12.45) - Rise47
    58. Bell Beaker Germany (2250 BC) (12.51) - I0806
    59. Ireland Copper Age (1950 BC) (12.78) - Rathlin1
    60. Viking Iceland P109 (935 AD) (12.78) - SVK-A1

    New Update:

    Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


    1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83 (2 yr old child with unknown parent of high Scandinavian ancestry and CL87-why Pict?)
    2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92 (child of CL 93-grew up in Collegno)
    3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383
    4. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) (5.603) - I2452
    5. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15
    6. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4
    7. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (6.271) - I1767
    8. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6
    9. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18
    10. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown
    11. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3
    12. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) (7.271) - I2981
    13. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875
    14. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12
    15. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146 (male-brother to CL 145-nephew to CL93)
    16. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14
    17. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) (7.778) - I2568
    18. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145 (male-brother to CL146-nephew to CL93)
    19. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249
    20. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23
    21. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84 (Sibling to CL 83 and with a parent of high Scandinavian ancestry-other parent unknown)
    22. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255
    23. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4
    24. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2
    25. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (8.208) - Shohola
    26. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.313) - ALH_1
    27. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) (8.39) - I5367
    28. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.569) - 6DRIF-3
    29. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (8.625) - DA119
    30. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.781) - Sigtuna grt035
    31. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.802) - SZ7
    32. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.85) - SZ22
    33. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (8.853) - Hinxton 1
    34. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.935) - Sigtuna stg021
    35. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.941) - SZ23
    36. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (9.008) - ALH_10
    37. Bell Beaker Cambridge (2075 BC) (9.023) - I3255
    38. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.114) - SZ8
    39. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (9.485) - SZ38
    40. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (9.594) - Rise577
    41. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) (9.62) - I0112
    42. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (9.788) - Hinxton HS1
    43. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.91) - SZ9
    44. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (9.952) - Rise61
    45. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.13) - CL93 (Father of CL92-Not native to Collegno)
    46. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (10.4) - I5471
    47. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (10.43) - SZ16
    48. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.6) - 3DRIF-16
    49. Bell Beaker Oxford (2150 BC) (10.67) - I2447
    50. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (10.7) - SZ11
    51. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.81) - CL151 (elderly woman-northern European ancestry)
    52. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.82) - 6DRIF-21
    53. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2150 BC) (11.08) - I5512
    54. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (11.2) - Rise150
    55. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.21) - SZ2
    56. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (11.25) - Sigtuna 84001
    57. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (11.32) - BIM_33
    58. Ireland Copper Age (1635 BC) (11.33) - Rathlin3
    59. Bronze Age Germany (1050 BC) (11.35) - I0099
    60. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (11.55) - I5382

    Info on Lombard burial sites at Collegno & Szolad:
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...1/268250-1.pdf
    Last edited by matty74; 06-05-19 at 10:01.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matty74 View Post
    Small changes here too. I'll take them with a grain of salt:

    Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

    1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83
    2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92
    3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383
    4. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15
    5. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4
    6. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6
    7. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18
    8. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown
    9. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3
    10. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875
    11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12
    12. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146
    13. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14
    14. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145
    15. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249
    16. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23
    17. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84
    18. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255
    19. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4
    20. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2
    21. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (8.208) - Shohola
    22. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.313) - ALH_1
    23. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.569) - 6DRIF-3
    24. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (8.625) - DA119
    25. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.781) - Sigtuna grt035
    26. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.802) - SZ7
    27. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.85) - SZ22
    28. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (8.853) - Hinxton 1
    29. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.935) - Sigtuna stg021
    30. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.941) - SZ23
    31. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (9.008) - ALH_10
    32. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.114) - SZ8
    33. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (9.485) - SZ38
    34. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (9.594) - Rise577
    35. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) (9.62) - I0112
    36. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (9.788) - Hinxton HS1
    37. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.91) - SZ9
    38. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (9.952) - Rise61
    39. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.13) - CL93
    40. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (10.43) - SZ16
    41. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.6) - 3DRIF-16
    42. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (10.7) - SZ11
    43. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.81) - CL151
    44. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.82) - 6DRIF-21
    45. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (11.2) - Rise150
    46. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.21) - SZ2
    47. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (11.25) - Sigtuna 84001
    48. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (11.32) - BIM_33
    49. Ireland Copper Age (1635 BC) (11.33) - Rathlin3
    50. Bronze Age Germany (1050 BC) (11.35) - I0099
    51. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.59) - SZ24
    52. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.9) - SZ13
    53. Bronze Age Netherlands (1775 BC) (11.92) - I4071
    54. Early Viking Sweden (500 AD) (12.08) - Rise174 Oxie7
    55. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (12.11) - Hinxton3 HS2
    56. Alemannic Bavaria (425 AD) (12.17) - STR_316
    57. Bronze Age Jutland Denmark (1400 BC) (12.45) - Rise47
    58. Bell Beaker Germany (2250 BC) (12.51) - I0806
    59. Ireland Copper Age (1950 BC) (12.78) - Rathlin1
    60. Viking Iceland P109 (935 AD) (12.78) - SVK-A1

    New Update:

    Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


    1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83 (2 yr old child with unknown parent of high Scandinavian ancestry and CL87-why Pict?)
    2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92 (child of CL 93-grew up in Collegno)
    3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383
    4. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) (5.603) - I2452
    5. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15
    6. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4
    7. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (6.271) - I1767
    8. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6
    9. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18
    10. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown
    11. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3
    12. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) (7.271) - I2981
    13. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875
    14. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12
    15. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146 (male-brother to CL 145-nephew to CL93)
    16. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14
    17. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) (7.778) - I2568
    18. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145 (male-brother to CL146-nephew to CL93)
    19. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249
    20. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23
    21. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84 (Sibling to CL 83 and with a parent of high Scandinavian ancestry-other parent unknown)
    22. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255
    23. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4
    24. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2
    25. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (8.208) - Shohola
    26. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.313) - ALH_1
    27. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) (8.39) - I5367
    28. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.569) - 6DRIF-3
    29. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (8.625) - DA119
    30. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.781) - Sigtuna grt035
    31. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.802) - SZ7
    32. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.85) - SZ22
    33. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (8.853) - Hinxton 1
    34. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.935) - Sigtuna stg021
    35. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.941) - SZ23
    36. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (9.008) - ALH_10
    37. Bell Beaker Cambridge (2075 BC) (9.023) - I3255
    38. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.114) - SZ8
    39. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (9.485) - SZ38
    40. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (9.594) - Rise577
    41. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) (9.62) - I0112
    42. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (9.788) - Hinxton HS1
    43. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.91) - SZ9
    44. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (9.952) - Rise61
    45. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.13) - CL93 (Father of CL92-Not native to Collegno)
    46. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (10.4) - I5471
    47. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (10.43) - SZ16
    48. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.6) - 3DRIF-16
    49. Bell Beaker Oxford (2150 BC) (10.67) - I2447
    50. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (10.7) - SZ11
    51. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.81) - CL151 (elderly woman-northern European ancestry)
    52. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.82) - 6DRIF-21
    53. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2150 BC) (11.08) - I5512
    54. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (11.2) - Rise150
    55. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.21) - SZ2
    56. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (11.25) - Sigtuna 84001
    57. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (11.32) - BIM_33
    58. Ireland Copper Age (1635 BC) (11.33) - Rathlin3
    59. Bronze Age Germany (1050 BC) (11.35) - I0099
    60. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (11.55) - I5382

    Info on Lombard burial sites at Collegno & Szolad:
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...1/268250-1.pdf
    In my case, everything continues practically the same way, at least in the matches that matter most.





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    I see that someone identified the "Colonial American Pennsylvania" reference population as a set of European remains found in northeastern Pennsylvania, dated to 1634-1662 AD (Shohola). The only Europeans in that area at the time (in any significant numbers) were the Dutch. As my closest match, that certainly validates this test for me. My Y-DNA ancestors (English) lived in this area c1745-1810 and married into Dutch families who had lived in the area for several generations. This is most likely where their descendants picked up the reference DNA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected].rr.com View Post
    I see that someone identified the "Colonial American Pennsylvania" reference population as a set of European remains found in northeastern Pennsylvania, dated to 1634-1662 AD (Shohola). The only Europeans in that area at the time (in any significant numbers) were the Dutch. As my closest match, that certainly validates this test for me. My Y-DNA ancestors (English) lived in this area c1745-1810 and married into Dutch families who had lived in the area for several generations. This is most likely where their descendants picked up the reference DNA.
    The guy below (Peterski) uploaded data with samples from Shohola, Pennsylvania, at Eurogenes K13 e K36 calculators on Gedmatch and got the data below:

    Peterski
    02-17-2019, 11:11 AM

    I uploaded him on GEDmatch thinking it was a Native sample, but the results are European.

    Then I checked in Supplementary Figures and the population label is "Colonist", so correct.

    Shohola Creek, Indian Cabin Ridge, Pennsylvania, dating 269 ± 26 years ago

    Y-DNA haplogroup - I1a-Z73
    mtDNA haplogroup - U4c1a

    GEDmatch kit number - DD7536671

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 38.26
    2 Atlantic 22.47
    3 Baltic 13.93
    4 Eastern_Euro 8.83
    5 West_Med 6.92
    6 West_Asian 4.4
    7 East_Med 2.36
    8 Amerindian 1.54
    9 Red_Sea 0.74
    10 Oceanian 0.54

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Swedish 3.81
    2 Norwegian 3.91
    3 North_Dutch 4.67
    4 West_Norwegian 5.27
    5 Danish 5.92
    6 North_German 6.57
    7 West_German 7.2
    8 North_Swedish 7.75
    9 Irish 7.84
    10 Orcadian 7.84
    11 West_Scottish 7.87
    12 Southeast_English 8.01
    13 Southwest_English 8.4
    14 South_Dutch 9.89
    15 East_German 11.81
    16 Southwest_Finnish 13.72
    17 French 13.89
    18 Hungarian 15.16
    19 Finnish 16.06
    20 Austrian 16.78

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 68.7% Swedish + 31.3% West_German @ 2.17
    2 83.5% West_Norwegian + 16.5% Romanian @ 2.42
    3 85.1% West_Norwegian + 14.9% Bulgarian @ 2.43
    4 82.7% Swedish + 17.3% French @ 2.51
    5 91.4% Swedish + 8.6% Tuscan @ 2.56
    6 90.4% Swedish + 9.6% North_Italian @ 2.59
    7 92.4% Swedish + 7.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.61
    8 93.4% Swedish + 6.6% South_Italian @ 2.63
    9 93.2% Swedish + 6.8% East_Sicilian @ 2.69
    10 93.1% Swedish + 6.9% Central_Greek @ 2.69
    11 95% Norwegian + 5% Armenian @ 2.7
    12 89.4% Swedish + 10.6% Portuguese @ 2.7
    13 87.2% West_Norwegian + 12.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.7
    14 76.7% West_Norwegian + 23.3% Hungarian @ 2.7
    15 88.8% Swedish + 11.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.71
    16 90.1% Swedish + 9.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.71
    17 94.1% Swedish + 5.9% Italian_Jewish @ 2.73
    18 95.1% Norwegian + 4.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.73
    19 93% Swedish + 7% West_Sicilian @ 2.73
    20 92.9% Norwegian + 7.1% Central_Greek @ 2.73

    Eurogenes K36:

    41057 SNPs used in this evaluation

    Population
    Amerindian 1.18 Pct
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque -
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 7.65 Pct
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan -
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 9.24 Pct
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro 6.39 Pct
    Fennoscandian 10.90 Pct
    French 8.31 Pct
    Iberian 2.62 Pct
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 10.33 Pct
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 21.64 Pct
    North_Caucasian 1.98 Pct
    North_Sea 17.00 Pct
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural -
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian 2.77 Pct
    West_Med -

    Similarity Map:

    https://i.imgur.com/3CKWSq1.png

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    Thanks Duarte, very helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Thanks Duarte, very helpful.
    You're welcome shissem

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