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    These are my results using AncestryDNA raw data.

    Hellenic Roman+Roman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post


    These are my results using AncestryDNA raw data.

    Hellenic Roman+Roman
    I get the same map and similar populations. lol




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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
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    Central Roman 590AD is my closest. I am assuming these are the Pannonian Romans? So they're Southern shifted? Wouldn't make sense if they're actually Barbarian related samples. If they're Tuscan/Italian like southerners I guess it makes sense since I shift a bit that way.

    Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


    1. Central Roman (590 AD) (7.169)
    2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.684)
    3. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (11.61)
    4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.27)
    5. Central Roman (670 AD) (13.04)
    6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.92)
    7. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (13.96)
    8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.09)
    9. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (14.09)

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    Someone posted this on Anthro:

    The relevant Archeogenetic matches and details from map are:

    1 and 3 and 8... Central Roman (590AD) in Pannonia ...SZ43, SZ36, SZ32 (Szolad samples from Amorim Longobard paper)

    2. Central Roman (670AD) in NW Italy (Collegno)...CL36 (Collegno samples from Amorim Longobard paper)

    17.Central Roman/Mixed (590AD) in Pannonia...SZ19 (Szolad sample)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I get the same map and similar populations. lol



    Seems like a glorious ancestry to me :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I get the same map and similar populations. lol



    Hellenic Romans

    In the 8th century BC (before the Roman Republic), Greeks began a large colonization drive to southern Italy to populate Sicily, Campania, Calabria, Apulia and Bascilicata. The romans referred to this region which includes the boot of Italy as Magna Graecia (Greater Greece). This large scale migration was underway by the time of the Trojan War and lasted several centuries. The settlers brought Hellenic civilization which had a lasting impact on the culture of Ancient Rome. The Hellenic civilization interacted with the native Italic civilization. The Greek cities were one by one absorbed into the Roman Republic starting with Neapolis in 327 BC. Sicily was conqureed by Rome during the first Punic War against Carthage.
    Sicily was initially populated by Phoenicians but then heavily colonized and settled by Greeks. Syracuse (Sicily) became the most populous greek city in the world by the 3rd century BC. The population of the island remained mostly unchanged.
    Hellenic Romans seems to refer specifically to the Classical Greek colonization of Southern Italy; Magna Graecia. So I think it makes sense to for it to be Hellenic Roman + Roman for our first population.

    Mine:


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    According to the Amorim charts of genetic structure at Szolad and Collegno: These were the Pannonian Roman samples

    SZ43 is mostly TSI or Tuscan-like with about 30pc IBS (Iberian-like), with less than 10pc CEU+GBR (North European);

    SZ36 is about 75pc Tuscan-like and 25pc Iberian (IBS);

    SZ32 is about 60pc TSI and 40pc IBS;

    SZ19 is 100pc TSI or Tuscan-like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I get the same map and similar populations. lol



    Very cool calculator. I'm confused as to how Angela scored 9.x for Hellenic Roman, closer than your 11.64.
    mmmmmmmmm dooouuughhhnuuuutz

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    They have both Hellenic Romans and Romans in the Pannonia area on the map, so the ones they've labelled Hellenic Romans must be more "southern"? Wish they'd put the numbers of the samples. As I said I'm very close to one, approximately 3, and further from others, i.e. approximately 9.

    Dibran:
    "According to the Amorim charts of genetic structure at Szolad and Collegno: These were the Pannonian Roman samples

    SZ43 is mostly TSI or Tuscan-like with about 30pc IBS (Iberian-like), with less than 10pc CEU+GBR (North European);

    SZ36 is about 75pc Tuscan-like and 25pc Iberian (IBS);

    SZ32 is about 60pc TSI and 40pc IBS;

    SZ19 is 100pc TSI or Tuscan-like."





    Fwiw, my Scythian similarity is a little weird. It showed up in that other ancients similarity calculator too. Those Avar and Hun re-settlements?

    Maybe I have higher similarity to these ancient samples than to modern Italian samples because both my lines come from very isolated areas? I don't know. Maybe this is just a terrible calculator. I mean, can you just assume that because the samples come from an area with lots of Roman villas and Roman forts this is what the Romans of the early Empire looked like?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post


    These are my results using AncestryDNA raw data.

    Hellenic Roman+Roman




    These are the rest of my results.

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    Another comparison. This time with Popres:

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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    Very cool calculator. I'm confused as to how Angela scored 9.x for Hellenic Roman, closer than your 11.64.
    She’s obviously genetically closer to that sample than me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Seems like a glorious ancestry to me :)
    Our Glorious Ancestors changed the World, and their Legacy is still strong.

    Now it’s our turn. We shall not disappoint them. :)

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    Now they're trying to make something out of the fact that I'm closer to one of the Hellenic Roman samples than Salento is. There's a wide variation according to individual sample, and they're not using all of them. Jovialis, for example, is 8.288 with one such sample, while my distance is 9.734 to another.

    Just stop with the t-rolling, people, accept the evidence as it comes in, and adjust your "theories" accordingly.

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    I was just confused as to how you were able to score a closer distance to them than a south Italian after reading your post describing them as a population resembling modern south Italians, so I asked for clarification. But now that you brought up the variation within those samples, i get it.
    I'm super ok with you being closer to any poplulation at all compared to anyone and if I sounded t-rollish I'm apologizing

    edit: what's with the downvote? I had no bad intentions behind this post as well as the last
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    I have decided to get the upgraded membership. Here is my full archaeological map:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I have decided to get the upgraded membership. Here is my full archaeological map:

    WOW! Very cool. Look at the Mycenaean showing up, and Minoan, and Hittite. Amazing.

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    Here are all of the versions of raw data I have, with complete archaeological maps:


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    Oops, I posted this in the wrong thread, because I clicked on one of Angela's links to a previous thread, but here it is:

    So, I spent the $$$ on this as well. The medical part sort of made me rethink the value of that site. It correctly predicted many things, including my hearing loss. Anyways, can anyone more intelligent than I tell me what this map is trying to tell me? What should I be looking at here given my own known ancestry? It appears that I'm not part of the exclusive Hellenic-Roman club! :)



    Longobard + Saxon (3.065)
    Celt + Longobard (3.315)
    Longobard (5.104)
    Celt (6.764)
    Saxon (7.239)


    1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83
    2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92
    3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383
    4. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15
    5. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4
    6. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6
    7. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18
    8. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown
    9. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3
    10. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875
    11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12
    12. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146
    13. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14
    14. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145
    15. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249
    16. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23
    17. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84
    18. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255
    19. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4
    20. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2

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    Quote Originally Posted by matty74 View Post
    Oops, I posted this in the wrong thread, because I clicked on one of Angela's links to a previous thread, but here it is:

    So, I spent the $$$ on this as well. The medical part sort of made me rethink the value of that site. It correctly predicted many things, including my hearing loss. Anyways, can anyone more intelligent than I tell me what this map is trying to tell me? What should I be looking at here given my own known ancestry? It appears that I'm not part of the exclusive Hellenic-Roman club! :)



    Longobard + Saxon (3.065)
    Celt + Longobard (3.315)
    Longobard (5.104)
    Celt (6.764)
    Saxon (7.239)
    I don't know your ancestry, Matty, but if you're of mainly North West European descent, then this "got" you. The Longobards are your closest ancient sample, which would indicate to me perhaps high northern German ancestry or some Scandinavian, considering the homeland of the Longobards. Likewise, your Saxon number would indicate ancestry from Germany, The Netherlands, perhaps England as well, since they invaded England. The Celt is present no doubt not only in England, but also in the more southern parts of Germany. You fit pretty well as a mix of two German tribes, with the Saxons having some "Celtic", or as a mix of Longobard and Celt.



    Have you read Beowulf? :) There's a movie, too. Oh, and if you have Netflix there's a great series called "The Last Kingdom" about King Alfred and the Danish invasions of England. It's great.

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    It seems interesting. I wonder what methodological framework they use in the comparisons.

    I'll try it when I access the laptop. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Here are all of the versions of raw data I have, with complete archaeological maps:

    Very nice.
    That looks expensive, :) thanks for sharing.

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    Angela,

    I've seen the movie before and read the book back in high school. The book definitely hints at the mainland pagan European origins of the the Anglo-Saxons in England.

    Here's my genetic ancestry via the Ancestry.com and MyHeritage.com. It just confused me a bit since I'm fairly new to this sort of discussion and joined for other reasons but it is interesting to me. I'm primarily German and descended mainly from European immigrants who emigrated from their homelands after the Civil War and into the 1900's. My maternal grandfather and his entire family is 100% Norwegian from southwestern Norway. My maternal grandmother is 1/2 German (great-grandfather was from Ostfriesland) and 1/4 Irish and 1/4 English/Scottish/Irish settlers mix.

    My paternal grandfather is 50% German (Mecklenburg/Swedish Pomerania) through his father August (my g-grandfather) and 50% Danish through his mother. (Jutland). My g-grandmother was 100% Danish and I have the family immigration records too. My paternal grandmother is 50% German (Hannover/East Elbe) with my great grandmother being 100% German. She spoke Plattdeutsch at home and with her sisters. Her husband, my paternal great-grandfather was a typical American hodgepodge of British, French Canadian and German ancestry originating in Pennsylvania and Quebec. I've always thought the Scandinavian portion of my ancestry was overstated but perhaps I inherited more of those traits from my mother than my father.

    I just got confused with the English/Celtic DNA references and how far south the Longobards were at that point in time.

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