Angela
Elite member
- Messages
- 21,823
- Reaction score
- 12,329
- Points
- 113
- Ethnic group
- Italian
My results with some of Duarte's and Carlos' results:
1. Central Roman (590 AD) (3.614) - SZ43 Duarte gets 19.45
2. Central Roman (670 AD) (4.508) - CL36 Duarte gets 16.92
3. Central Roman (590 AD) (6.771) - SZ36 Duarte gets 20.25
4. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (9.671) - CL23 Not on Duarte's list at all so I tend to doubt it should be called Medieval Iberian. Carlos (14.53) It's northern It.
5. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (9.698) - SZ28 Duarte gets 12.32 Carlos (13.99)
6. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (9.734) - CL121 Duarte gets 24.4
7. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (10.06) - scy192 Duarte gets 12.23 Carlos (15.13)
8. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (10.28) - I3313 Duarte gets 11.54 Carlos (10.8)
9. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (10.29) - I2515 Duarte gets 11.49:ashamed2: Carlos (15.42)
10. Central Roman (590 AD) (10.83) - SZ32 20.24
11. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (10.85) - I7424 This is a real shocker: Duarte gets 19.44. Carlos (21.84) Was the mixture N.A. and more Italian like?
12. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1120 AD) (11.87) - I2514 Duarte 12.8 Carlos (16.75)
13. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (11.99) - I3981 Duarte 12.61 Carlos (17.63)
14. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (12.49) - I7425 Duarte 12.05 Carlos (16.63
15. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (12.6) - I4332 Duarte 12.38 Caros (16.47)
16. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (12.6) - I5769 Duarte 12.38 Carlos (16.47)
17. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) - I3575- 13.51 Duarte gets 19.03
18. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.55) - SZ19 Duarte gets 19.03
19. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (14.25) - CL94 Duarte gets 8.625 Carlos (9.145)
20. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (14.39) - I3581 Duarte gets 18.93. Carlos (22.0) Are some of these late Iberian samples Hispano-Roman types?
21. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (14.53) - CL57 Duarte 14.48 Carlos (13.48)
22. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (14.83) - I3582 Duarte 14.21 Carlos 20.3
23. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (15.06) - I2644 Duarte 12.47 Carlos (16.53)
24. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (760 AD) (15.1) - I3585 Duarte 9. 921 Carlos (13.51)
25. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (15.17) - SZ45 Duarte 16.59 Carlos(17.05)
26. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) (15.17) - I3576 Duarte 16.53 Carlos 21.55
27. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) (15.18) - I3983 Duarte 17.89 Carlos (22.96)
28. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) (15.42) - I3982 Duarte 13.39 Carlos (16.5)
29. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (15.43) - SZ40 Can't find it
30. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (15.54) - I2649 Duarte 10.66 Carlos (14.63)
31. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (15.84) - I2647 Duarte 13.59
32. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (18.25) - CL63 Duarte 18.47 Carlos (17.96 ) Some "Frank" in all three but not good fits.
33. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (18.27) - I9033
34. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (18.7) - SZ18
35. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (18.79) - I12031 Duarte 22.8 Carlos (24.23)
36. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (515 AD) (18.88) - I3980 I don't see it.
37. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (18.95) - CL47 Duarte 17.25 Carlos (17.4)
38. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (19.15) - FN_2 Duarte 6.896 Carlos 9.058
39. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (19.57) - DA199
40. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (19.81) - I9041
41. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) (20.27) - I4930
42. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (20.79) - CL53
43. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (21.55) - I3808
44. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (21.94) - CL102 Carlos(22.0)
45. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (22.29) - Ker1
46. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (22.33) - SZ5
47. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (22.66) - Vim2
48. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (22.92) - I12163 Carlos (24.3)
49. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (22.97) - I12034 Duarte 9.863 Carlos 8.771
50. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (23.75) - CL38
51. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (24.02) - Duarte 10.39 FN_2 Carlos 9.038
52. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (24.06) - CL30
53. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (24.14) - CL25
54. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (24.16) - I12032 Duarte18.81 Carlos (19.6)
55. Bronze Age Armenia (1500 BC) (25.18) - Rise397
56. Crete Armenoi (1370 BC) (25.28) - I9123
57. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (25.72) - SZ38
58. Trypillia (3500 BC) (25.94) - I1926
59. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (25.98) - scy301
60. Guanche Canary Islands (960 AD) (27.01) - gun005
It just got too tedious, so after 30 I just spot checked the differences for somehow Iberian related samples. I added Carlos' results up to his number 30.
What fits did Balkan people get for the Illyrians, Thracians and Scythians? I seem to get a slightly better fit than Carlos and Duarte.
I'd like to see CL23 run against Parma Beakers and later Italian samples from the north when they come out. I think some of the CL samples may be mislabeled as Iberian, when I'm closer to them than an Iberian.
The Medieval Valencia samples are all over the place. So are the "Moriscos". I have to go back and look at individual samples for both groups, because they all varied. Add the "Visigothic" ones. From what I remember, some of them are very "local Iberian" like.
For Italian Bell Beaker Carlos gets 15.69, but it doesn't appear at all on mine. I have to see which one it was, ie more steppic or less steppic ones. Do other Italian posters get it? Maybe some of the comments I saw that Parma Beaker wasn't the "more northern" mixing agent everywhere in Italy is correct.
Carlos gets a lot of Bell Beaker samples I don't get at all. He also gets some of the Gladiators. I don't get any at all.
I seem to be closer to Gallo Roman and Cisalpine Gaul than these two Iberians, but I think I remember Stuvane might have been closer?
Stuvane, if you see this, could you compare with your list?
In fact, if it isn't a lot of bother, does someone have a program or app that could just collate all our posted scores and give fits per sample by name? If I knew how to do it I would. That would be terrific.
1. Central Roman (590 AD) (3.614) - SZ43 Duarte gets 19.45
2. Central Roman (670 AD) (4.508) - CL36 Duarte gets 16.92
3. Central Roman (590 AD) (6.771) - SZ36 Duarte gets 20.25
4. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (9.671) - CL23 Not on Duarte's list at all so I tend to doubt it should be called Medieval Iberian. Carlos (14.53) It's northern It.
5. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (9.698) - SZ28 Duarte gets 12.32 Carlos (13.99)
6. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (9.734) - CL121 Duarte gets 24.4
7. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (10.06) - scy192 Duarte gets 12.23 Carlos (15.13)
8. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (10.28) - I3313 Duarte gets 11.54 Carlos (10.8)
9. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (10.29) - I2515 Duarte gets 11.49:ashamed2: Carlos (15.42)
10. Central Roman (590 AD) (10.83) - SZ32 20.24
11. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (10.85) - I7424 This is a real shocker: Duarte gets 19.44. Carlos (21.84) Was the mixture N.A. and more Italian like?
12. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1120 AD) (11.87) - I2514 Duarte 12.8 Carlos (16.75)
13. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (11.99) - I3981 Duarte 12.61 Carlos (17.63)
14. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (12.49) - I7425 Duarte 12.05 Carlos (16.63
15. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (12.6) - I4332 Duarte 12.38 Caros (16.47)
16. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (12.6) - I5769 Duarte 12.38 Carlos (16.47)
17. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) - I3575- 13.51 Duarte gets 19.03
18. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.55) - SZ19 Duarte gets 19.03
19. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (14.25) - CL94 Duarte gets 8.625 Carlos (9.145)
20. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (14.39) - I3581 Duarte gets 18.93. Carlos (22.0) Are some of these late Iberian samples Hispano-Roman types?
21. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (14.53) - CL57 Duarte 14.48 Carlos (13.48)
22. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (14.83) - I3582 Duarte 14.21 Carlos 20.3
23. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (15.06) - I2644 Duarte 12.47 Carlos (16.53)
24. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (760 AD) (15.1) - I3585 Duarte 9. 921 Carlos (13.51)
25. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (15.17) - SZ45 Duarte 16.59 Carlos(17.05)
26. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) (15.17) - I3576 Duarte 16.53 Carlos 21.55
27. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) (15.18) - I3983 Duarte 17.89 Carlos (22.96)
28. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) (15.42) - I3982 Duarte 13.39 Carlos (16.5)
29. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (15.43) - SZ40 Can't find it
30. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (15.54) - I2649 Duarte 10.66 Carlos (14.63)
31. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (15.84) - I2647 Duarte 13.59
32. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (18.25) - CL63 Duarte 18.47 Carlos (17.96 ) Some "Frank" in all three but not good fits.
33. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (18.27) - I9033
34. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (18.7) - SZ18
35. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (18.79) - I12031 Duarte 22.8 Carlos (24.23)
36. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (515 AD) (18.88) - I3980 I don't see it.
37. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (18.95) - CL47 Duarte 17.25 Carlos (17.4)
38. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (19.15) - FN_2 Duarte 6.896 Carlos 9.058
39. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (19.57) - DA199
40. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (19.81) - I9041
41. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) (20.27) - I4930
42. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (20.79) - CL53
43. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (21.55) - I3808
44. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (21.94) - CL102 Carlos(22.0)
45. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (22.29) - Ker1
46. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (22.33) - SZ5
47. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (22.66) - Vim2
48. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (22.92) - I12163 Carlos (24.3)
49. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (22.97) - I12034 Duarte 9.863 Carlos 8.771
50. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (23.75) - CL38
51. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (24.02) - Duarte 10.39 FN_2 Carlos 9.038
52. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (24.06) - CL30
53. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (24.14) - CL25
54. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (24.16) - I12032 Duarte18.81 Carlos (19.6)
55. Bronze Age Armenia (1500 BC) (25.18) - Rise397
56. Crete Armenoi (1370 BC) (25.28) - I9123
57. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (25.72) - SZ38
58. Trypillia (3500 BC) (25.94) - I1926
59. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (25.98) - scy301
60. Guanche Canary Islands (960 AD) (27.01) - gun005
It just got too tedious, so after 30 I just spot checked the differences for somehow Iberian related samples. I added Carlos' results up to his number 30.
What fits did Balkan people get for the Illyrians, Thracians and Scythians? I seem to get a slightly better fit than Carlos and Duarte.
I'd like to see CL23 run against Parma Beakers and later Italian samples from the north when they come out. I think some of the CL samples may be mislabeled as Iberian, when I'm closer to them than an Iberian.
The Medieval Valencia samples are all over the place. So are the "Moriscos". I have to go back and look at individual samples for both groups, because they all varied. Add the "Visigothic" ones. From what I remember, some of them are very "local Iberian" like.
For Italian Bell Beaker Carlos gets 15.69, but it doesn't appear at all on mine. I have to see which one it was, ie more steppic or less steppic ones. Do other Italian posters get it? Maybe some of the comments I saw that Parma Beaker wasn't the "more northern" mixing agent everywhere in Italy is correct.
Carlos gets a lot of Bell Beaker samples I don't get at all. He also gets some of the Gladiators. I don't get any at all.
I seem to be closer to Gallo Roman and Cisalpine Gaul than these two Iberians, but I think I remember Stuvane might have been closer?
Stuvane, if you see this, could you compare with your list?
In fact, if it isn't a lot of bother, does someone have a program or app that could just collate all our posted scores and give fits per sample by name? If I knew how to do it I would. That would be terrific.