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[Jovialis]

My first match is SZ40, which is a 100% TSI sample from the Lombard paper. For the calculator to give it the label "Hellenic Roman" is nonsensical.

[Duarte]

Thanks for the indication @Gibran. Very fun :)

Note: I believe there is an error in the dating of two samples of Roman soldiers found in the Freiham-Nord District, Munich, Bavaria.
Mytrueancestry.com states that these samples were dated to be 300 BC when, in fact, they are dated to 300 AD.​ :)

[brick]

My first match is SZ40, which is a 100% TSI sample from the Lombard paper. For the calculator to give it the label "Hellenic Roman" is nonsensical.

This is where SZ40 plots in a present-day west Eurasians PCA.

[Jovialis]

@Brick, Here's the PCA from the study.

Another comparison. This time with Popres:

[brick]

@Brick, Here's the PCA from the study.

This is better from the study, just my opinion.

[Stuvanè]

Done

[Jovialis]

Very cool, Stuvanè

@ Brick, SZ40 is probably around where I would plot at 8.288 distance. That would make sense for a person for my region. I guess the TSI modeling at 100% is because of lack of other models, from what I recall.

[brick]

@ Brick I guess the TSI modeling at 100% is because of lack of other models, from what I recall.

Agreed, this may be the reason why in the PCA SZ40 is actually more to the South of TSI.

[Jovialis]

WOW! Very cool. Look at the Mycenaean showing up, and Minoan, and Hittite. Amazing.

It is very fascinating! They seem to consistently show up in these ancient calculators:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post572217

[Duarte]

Gallo Roman. Theres a first. Haven't seen any Albanian get it so far. Pretty cool.

Hi, Dibran.
I am far from you and Angela with respect to the capacity of interpretation of data from human genetic samples and their correlations with ancient history and modern history. Both of you are masters of the subject, and all that a can I have to do to is read, learn, and admire the knowledge that you both have, as well as so also have many very other assidous members of this forum.
Eupedia is a great virtual school and I'm very happy to be here.
Next, I put my modest impression on, and if I'm wrong, do not feel yourself embarrassed to correct me.
Archaeologically, the Gauls were bearers of the La Tène culture, which extended across all of Gaul, as well as east to Raetia, Noricum, Pannonia, and southwestern Germania during the 5th to 1st centuries BC. During the 2nd and 1st centuries BC, Gaul fell under Roman rule: Gallia Cisalpina was conquered in 203 BC and Gallia Narbonensis in 123 BC. Gaul was invaded after 120 BC by the Cimbri and the Teutons, who were in turn defeated by the Romans by 103 BC. Julius Caesar finally subdued the remaining parts of Gaul in his campaigns of 58 to 51 BC.
Pannonia was a province of the Roman Empire bounded north and east by the Danube, coterminous westward with Noricum and upper Italy, and southward with Dalmatia and upper Moesia. Pannonia was located over the territory of the present-day western Hungary, eastern Austria, northern Croatia, north-western Serbia, northern Slovenia, western Slovakia and northern Bosnia and Herzegovina.
In this sense, imo, it makes sense that some Albanians may have some relationship with the Gallo-Romans, considering that these ancient peoples also seem to have come so far, very close to what is now modern Albania.
A big hug :)

[Jovialis]

This is the study with the Hittite sample:

https://science.sciencemag.org/conte.../6396/eaar7711

[bigsnake49]

Your Ancient map...

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Ancient Populations Ancient Samples Modern Populations Medical Analysis
Your closest Ancient populations...

Roman

RomansHellenic RomansGallo-RomansGallo-Roman + Hellenic Roman (12.96)
Roman (13.35)
Hellenic Roman + Roman (14.1)
Hellenic Roman (16.53)
Gallo-Roman (19.07)

[bigsnake49]

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

1. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.35)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.02)
3. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.68)
4. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (16.53)
5. Central Roman (670 AD) (16.96)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (18.94)
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.07)
8. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (19.99)
9. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.96)
10. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (21.07)
11. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (21.15)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (21.16)
13. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (21.48)
14. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (22.02)
15. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (22.05)
16. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (22.05)
17. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (22.19)
18. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (22.39)
19. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (22.57)
20. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (22.98)

[bigsnake49]

Your closest genetic modern populations... (with AncestryDNA raw file)


1. Greek (6.975)
2. Kosovan (7.244)
3. Bulgarian (8.547)
4. Bosnian (11.34)
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Your closest genetic modern populations... with LivingDNA raw file

1. Greek (5.176)
2. Kosovan (6.746)
3. Bulgarian (7.448)
4. Greek_Thessaly (9.552)
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[Regio X]

It seems interesting. I wonder what methodological framework they use in the comparisons.

I'll try it when I access the laptop. :)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (3.809)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (6.157)
3. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (6.232)
4. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (7.404)
5. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (8.294)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.4)
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.407)
8. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (10.86)
9. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.04)
10. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (11.04)
11. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.52)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.61)
13. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.2)
14. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (13.33)
15. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.8)
16. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (13.82)
17. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.56)
18. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (14.88)
19. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (15.24)
20. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (16.34)


Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. North_Italian (7.641)
2. Spanish_Cataluna (9.274)
3. Spanish_Extremadura (9.600)
4. Spanish_Murcia (9.807)
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[Regio X]

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (3.516)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (5.833)
3. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (6.048)
4. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (7.505)
5. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (8.346)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.844)
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.868)
8. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (11.12)
9. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.49)
10. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (11.49)
11. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.74)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.02)
13. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.6)
14. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (13.64)
15. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.73)
16. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (14.27)
17. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.98)
18. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (15.28)
19. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (15.74)
20. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (16.75)

Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. North_Italian (7.993)
2. Spanish_Cataluna (9.178)
3. Spanish_Extremadura (9.460)
4. Spanish_Murcia (9.659)
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[Regio X]

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (7.724)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (7.724)
3. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (8.274)
4. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (8.403)
5. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (8.418)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.483)
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.786)
8. Central Roman (590 AD) (10.18)
9. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.32)
10. Central Roman (590 AD) (10.32)
11. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.84)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.94)
13. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.1)
14. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (11.83)
15. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.9)
16. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (12.86)
17. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.94)
18. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (13.18)
19. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (14.13)
20. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (14.53)

Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. North_Italian (6.234)
2. Tuscan (10.21)
3. Portuguese (11.09)
4. Spanish_Galicia (11.41)
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[Regio X]

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (5.775)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (6.212)
3. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (7.432)
4. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (7.715)
5. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (7.715)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (8.45)
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (8.606)
8. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (10.01)
9. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.02)
10. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (10.43)
11. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.71)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.01)
13. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (11.07)
14. Central Roman (670 AD) (11.22)
15. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.29)
16. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (11.4)
17. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.52)
18. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.84)
19. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.94)
20. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (14.37)

Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. North_Italian (8.136)
2. Spanish_Galicia (8.492)
3. Portuguese (8.633)
4. Spanish_Cataluna (9.055)
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[Angela]

So, did the Italic tribes indeed cross the Adriatic to become the Appennine herder culture???

Odd that you're closer to Illyrians than the people living in the area now.

Well, maybe not. Maybe it's normal.

The people living in Pannonia are no longer "Central Roman".

I wonder if your results are impacted, however, by your Cimbri ancestry? How much of your ancestry is attributable to them?

[matty74]

Are Pannonians also the Illyrians? Or are these two distinct groups? It seems like there was a lot of movement/migrations in this area.

[Milan.M]

I think that Balkans started to shift more east from Iron age onwards,even in Roman times,Strabo says that Scythians and Thracians are very intemingled among themselves.

Begining of Iron age and so called Thraco-Cimmerian culture or we can call it Thraco-Scythian there is obvious archeological link.



That is probably true for the Greeks and how after Mycenaean period they recieved more northern ancestry.

[Salento]

My first match is SZ40, which is a 100% TSI sample from the Lombard paper. For the calculator to give it the label "Hellenic Roman" is nonsensical.

23andme matches (full) (Same top sample)

[Salento]

RawD 23andme v4

[Salento]

RawD Ancestry

[Jovialis]

I feel as though the AncestryDNA raw data paints a fuller picture, than the 23andme raw data. For example, I do not get Sicily beaker in Living DNA, or 23andme. But It comes up with the AncestryDNA, as well as the combined raw data file.