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    News results for me

    7. Iron Age Catalan (620 BC) (12.63)
    - I12640
    12. Celtiberian Northern Spain (280 BC) (14.42) - I3759
    15. Celtiberian Northern Spain (280 BC) (14.59) - I3758
    28. Iron Age Catalan (680 BC) (16.61) - I12641
    31. Iron Age Catalan (440 BC) (17.36) - I12877
    49. Celtiberian Northern Spain (350 BC) (20.54) - I3757
    52. Iron Age Catalan (600 BC) (21.04) - I12642






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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    News results for me

    7. Iron Age Catalan (620 BC) (12.63)
    - I12640
    12. Celtiberian Northern Spain (280 BC) (14.42) - I3759
    15. Celtiberian Northern Spain (280 BC) (14.59) - I3758
    28. Iron Age Catalan (680 BC) (16.61) - I12641
    31. Iron Age Catalan (440 BC) (17.36) - I12877
    49. Celtiberian Northern Spain (350 BC) (20.54) - I3757
    52. Iron Age Catalan (600 BC) (21.04) - I12642





    Thanks for the information @ Carlos. These samples appear to me as well. Celtiberians? It is quite logical in our case :)
    My new results. New changes in "Deep Dive" :)







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    I have been forced. I had gotten 40,000 samples of the Catalan iron breaking all my ceramics and taking too many parties so you could not see the interconnections between Europeans that was what many were wishing you not to see, but with money everything is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post


    I have been forced. I had gotten 40,000 samples of the Catalan iron breaking all my ceramics and taking too many parties so you could not see the interconnections between Europeans that was what many were wishing you not to see, but with money everything is possible.

    @Carlos
    You uploaded to the Zeus level, which allows the display of up to 100 ancient samples on the Archaeological Europe Map. Very cool, but I'll continue on the Caesar level. I'm not willing to pay $100 to turns me a Zeus. LOL. Congratulations dear friend.


    In my case (Caesar level), the changes in "Deep Dive" never stop. Now, almost all my matches are in Iberia. The list of old samples has also changed. In the last list my top 60 stopped at Bell Beaker Poland (22.49). Now my top 60 stopped at Italy Bell Beaker (21.0), which in the previous list was sample number 54. Six old samples were suppressed of the top 60. Now, in the new list, are eight samples of "Iron Age Catalan", six more samples of this ancient population than in the previous list.




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    That's the most I can get with my 60 samples of the Caesar level. My neolithic and Bronze Age has disappeared from the my European Ancestral Timelapse maps (now, only maps from the Late Bronze Age and beyond are displayed).






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    me after the update now i have selvecus
    Analysis Summary





    Your closest Ancient populations...

    Seleucid

    Hellenic Roman



    Seleucid EmpireHellenic RomansIn the 8th century BC (before the Roman Republic), Greeks began a large colonization drive to southern Italy to populate Sicily, Campania, Calabria, Apulia and Bascilicata. The romans referred to this region which includes the boot of Italy as Magna Graecia (Greater Greece). This large scale migration was underway by the time of the Trojan War and lasted several centuries. The settlers brought Hellenic civilization which had a lasting impact on the culture of Ancient Rome. The Hellenic civilization interacted with the native Italic civilization. The Greek cities were one by one absorbed into the Roman Republic starting with Neapolis in 327 BC. Sicily was conqureed by Rome during the first Punic War against Carthage.
    Sicily was initially populated by Phoenicians but then heavily colonized and settled by Greeks. Syracuse (Sicily) became the most populous greek city in the world by the 3rd century BC. The population of the island remained mostly unchanged.



    RomansThe founding of mighty Rome starts with the story of Romulus and Remus. Whether they were suckled by a she-wolf as infants or descended from the Trojan War hero Aeneas, the Latins who settled Rome had their crude dwellings tranformed into a true city by their Etruscan overlords. The Etruscans were master builders who gave Rome its architecture, gods, and gladiators. After overthrowing their conquerors, the Roman Republic expanded quickly to incorporate the Latins, Etruscans (originally from Anatolia), Greek settlers to the south and Gauls to the north. Republic gave way to Empire and after a thousand years it was time for Rome to face its end. Although numerous invaders arrived on the scene as the empire weakened and crumbled, the wars with the Ostrogoths from 535-554 AD had a lasting impact that left Italy devastated and depopulated.






    Seleucid + Hellenic Roman (6.842)
    Seleucid + Roman (7.685)
    Hellenic Roman (11.51)
    Seleucid (13.07)
    Roman (14.66)



    bronze age
    https://i.imgur.com/XNKSHuy.png




    iron age
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    but i still close by total autosomal to hellenic romans

    https://i.imgur.com/xN0scd1.png




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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    me after the update now i have selvecus
    Analysis Summary





    Your closest Ancient populations...

    Seleucid

    Hellenic Roman



    Seleucid EmpireHellenic RomansIn the 8th century BC (before the Roman Republic), Greeks began a large colonization drive to southern Italy to populate Sicily, Campania, Calabria, Apulia and Bascilicata. The romans referred to this region which includes the boot of Italy as Magna Graecia (Greater Greece). This large scale migration was underway by the time of the Trojan War and lasted several centuries. The settlers brought Hellenic civilization which had a lasting impact on the culture of Ancient Rome. The Hellenic civilization interacted with the native Italic civilization. The Greek cities were one by one absorbed into the Roman Republic starting with Neapolis in 327 BC. Sicily was conqureed by Rome during the first Punic War against Carthage.
    Sicily was initially populated by Phoenicians but then heavily colonized and settled by Greeks. Syracuse (Sicily) became the most populous greek city in the world by the 3rd century BC. The population of the island remained mostly unchanged.



    RomansThe founding of mighty Rome starts with the story of Romulus and Remus. Whether they were suckled by a she-wolf as infants or descended from the Trojan War hero Aeneas, the Latins who settled Rome had their crude dwellings tranformed into a true city by their Etruscan overlords. The Etruscans were master builders who gave Rome its architecture, gods, and gladiators. After overthrowing their conquerors, the Roman Republic expanded quickly to incorporate the Latins, Etruscans (originally from Anatolia), Greek settlers to the south and Gauls to the north. Republic gave way to Empire and after a thousand years it was time for Rome to face its end. Although numerous invaders arrived on the scene as the empire weakened and crumbled, the wars with the Ostrogoths from 535-554 AD had a lasting impact that left Italy devastated and depopulated.






    Seleucid + Hellenic Roman (6.842)
    Seleucid + Roman (7.685)
    Hellenic Roman (11.51)
    Seleucid (13.07)
    Roman (14.66)



    bronze age
    https://i.imgur.com/XNKSHuy.png




    iron age
    https://i.imgur.com/4ZdRlAR.png
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    but i still close by total autosomal to hellenic romans

    https://i.imgur.com/xN0scd1.png



    Any idea the origin of the Seleucid sample?

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    iron Catalan It goes out to the mayor and even the deputy mayor. What is this? Does that era represent the entire Iberian Peninsula? What province are these results from?


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    i wish to see his gedmatch kit number he is dated to 165 BC

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    i wish to see his gedmatch kit number he is dated to 165 BC
    If he's ruling elite probable Macedonian Greek?

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    iron Catalan It goes out to the mayor and even the deputy mayor. What is this? Does that era represent the entire Iberian Peninsula? What province are these results from?

    Ancient individuals from the Iberian Peninsula included in this study
    Ind ID (_d, only sequences with aDNA damage were used for analysis) Colaborator ID Skeletal element UDG treatment for each library Autosomal SNPs covered Genetic sex mtDNA Y-chr Kinship Include in genome-wide analyses Pop name (NE_Iberia, northeast Iberia; SE_Iberia, southeast Iberia; NW_Iberia, northwest Iberia; SW_Iberia, southwest Iberia; N_Iberia, northern Iberia; C_Iberia, central Iberia; E_Iberia, eastern Iberia; Meso, Mesolithic; EN, Early Neolithic; MLN, Middle-Late Neolithic; CA, Copper Age; Stp, steppe ancestry; Afr, African ancestry; BA, Bronze Age; IA, Iron Age; Hel, Hellenistic; RomP, Roman Period; c.; century; .SG, shotgun data; out, genetic outlier) Region Cultural affiliation Date (Direct radiocarbon date on the individual calibrated at 2 sigma or date range based on the archaeological context) Site Latitude Longitude Country Publication Collaborator
    I8213 10-SU-28-D1-E-60 tooth half,half 12213 F K2a .. Yes NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1) NE 500–400 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8211 10-SU-28-D1-E-96 tooth half,half 29725 M HV0+195 R Yes NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1) NE 500–450 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8212 10-SU-28-D1-E-46 tooth half,half 35129 M H27+16093 R Yes NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1) NE 500–350 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8210 10-SU-28-D1-E-91 tooth half,half 63467 M U5b3 R1b1a1a2 Yes NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1) NE 500–350 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8214 10-SU-28-D1-E-82 tooth half,half 530342 F H3+152 .. Yes NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1) NE 400–350 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8209 10-SU-28-D1-E-99 tooth half,half 868050 M U1a1a R1b1a1a2a1a2 Yes NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1) NE 450–400 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8340 10-SU-28-D1-E-63 tooth half 25719 F K1a+195 .. Yes NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1) NE 500–350 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8341 10-SU-28-D1-E-62 tooth half 48396 M H1 R1b1a1a2a1a2 Yes NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1) NE 500–350 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8344 10-SU-28-D1-E-74 tooth half 38534 M H3 R1b1a1a Yes NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1) NE 500–400 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8215 10-SU-28-D1-E-76 tooth half,half 829948 F HV11 .. Yes NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries2) NE 400–350 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8204 12-SU-33-A4-600 tooth half,half 131452 F H1e .. Yes NE_Iberia_Hel_out NE 300–100 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8206 12-SU-33-A4-T680 tooth half,half 425016 M H7a1 R1b1a1a2a1a2 Yes NE_Iberia_Hel (Empúries1) NE 300–100 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8203 02-SU-33-A4-T1058 tooth half,half 524097 F H13a1a1 .. Yes NE_Iberia_Hel (Empúries1) NE 300–100 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8205 12-SU-33-A4-180 tooth half,half 72446 M H14a2c J Yes NE_Iberia_Hel (Empúries2) NE 300–100 BCE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8208 12-SU-33-A4-T510 tooth half,half 385525 M H33 J Yes NE_Iberia_Hel (Empúries2) NE 370–204 cal BCE (2220±20 BP, PSUAMS-4277) Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8202 02-SU-33-A4-T1077 tooth half,half 113554 M K2b1 R1b1a1a2a1a Yes NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries1) NE 100–300 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8339 10-SU-28-D1-E-8 tooth half 270050 F K1a+195 .. Yes NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries1) NE 100–200 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I10865 10-SU-28-D1-E-37 petrous half 40795 M U5a1a1 HIJK(xI,xJ) Yes NE_Iberia_RomP_out NE 100–200 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I10866 10-SU-28-D1-E-20 petrous half 799391 F K1b2a .. Yes NE_Iberia_RomP_out NE 43 cal BCE–51 cal CE (2005±15 BP, PSUAMS-5281) Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8338 10-SU-28-D1-E-15 tooth half 45674 F HV0+195 .. Yes NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries2) NE 100–200 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8475 10-SU-28-D1-E-16 tooth half 551105 F T2b .. Yes NE_Iberia_RomP_out NE 100–200 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8216 10-SU-28-D1-E-35 tooth half,half 42507 M H1 J Yes NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries2) NE 57–208 cal CE (1895±20 BP, PSUAMS-4212) Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I8474 10-SU-28-D1-E-47 tooth half 46847 F U5a1a2b .. Yes NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries1) NE 100–200 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I7158 MGA'92 UE 108 tooth half 5395 M T2b11 .. No (Low coverage) NE_Iberia_RomP NE 200–500 CE Mas Gassol, Alcover, Tarragona, Catalonia 41,274 1,178 Spain This study Josep Maria Vergès
    I6492 MGA'92 UE 105 tooth half 9030 M T2b11 R1b1a1a2a1a2c No (Low coverage) NE_Iberia_RomP NE 200–500 CE Mas Gassol, Alcover, Tarragona, Catalonia 41,274 1,178 Spain This study Josep Maria Vergès
    I6490 MGA'92-Resta II tooth half 87409 F K1c2 .. Yes NE_Iberia_RomP NE 200–500 CE Mas Gassol, Alcover, Tarragona, Catalonia 41,274 1,178 Spain This study Josep Maria Vergès
    I6491 MGA'92-Resta III tooth half 20130 M H4a1a R No (Contamination) NE_Iberia_RomP NE 200–500 CE Mas Gassol, Alcover, Tarragona, Catalonia 41,274 1,178 Spain This study Josep Maria Vergès
    I8343 05-SMG-8075 tooth half 93034 M J1c2c2 R1b1a1a2 Yes NE_Iberia_Late_RomP NE 500–600 CE Empúries, Girona, Catalonia 42,1333 3,1083 Spain This study Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda
    I3778 T-269 tooth half 28884 M H4a1 P~ Yes NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES NE 600–700 CE L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia 41,981377 2,309824 Spain This study Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal
    I3776 T-267 tooth half 31966 F U5a1i1 .. Yes NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES NE 600–700 CE L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia 41,981377 2,309824 Spain This study Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal
    I3866 T-264 tooth half 102647 M U5a1b1 R1b1 Yes NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES NE 600–700 CE L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia 41,981377 2,309824 Spain This study Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal
    I3775 T-266 bone (phalanx) half 117254 M H3t R1b1a1 Yes NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES NE 600–700 CE L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia 41,981377 2,309824 Spain This study Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal
    I3777 T-268 bone (phalanx) half 325993 F V17 .. Yes NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES NE 600–700 CE L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia 41,981377 2,309824 Spain This study Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal
    I7674 T-143 tooth half 27705 F H42 .. Yes NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES NE 785–801 CE [between conquest of Girona and conquest of Barcelona] L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia 41,981377 2,309824 Spain This study Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal
    I7672 T-120-1 tooth half 57994 M T2h R1b1a1a2a1a Yes NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES NE 785–801 CE [between conquest of Girona and conquest of Barcelona] L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia 41,981377 2,309824 Spain This study Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal
    I7676 T-191 tooth half 70706 F U5a1c .. Yes NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES NE 785–801 CE [between conquest of Girona and conquest of Barcelona] L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia 41,981377 2,309824 Spain This study Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal
    I7675 T-194 tooth half 125123 M U3a1 R1b1a1a2a1a Yes NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES NE 785–801 CE [between conquest of Girona and conquest of Barcelona] L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia 41,981377 2,309824 Spain This study Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal
    I7673 T-120-2 tooth half 297805 F W1+119 .. Yes NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES NE 785–801 CE [between conquest of Girona and conquest of Barcelona] L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia 41,981377 2,309824 Spain This study Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal
    I12029 PH'06-1144 tooth half 3769 M U5a1a1d BT No (Low coverage) NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL NE 500–600 CE Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia 42,01656 2,814897 Spain This study Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó
    I12030 PH'06-1169 tooth half 30509 F J1c3g .. Yes NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL NE 500–600 CE Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia 42,01656 2,814897 Spain This study Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó
    I12031 PH'06-1172 tooth half 562386 M H1e2 E1b1b1a1b1a Yes NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL NE 500–600 CE Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia 42,01656 2,814897 Spain This study Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó
    I12032 PH'06-1183 tooth half 214998 M C4a1a+195 R1b1a1a2a1 Yes NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL NE 500–600 CE Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia 42,01656 2,814897 Spain This study Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó
    I12033 PH'06-1192 tooth half 38668 M V I Yes NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL NE 500–600 CE Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia 42,01656 2,814897 Spain This study Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó
    I12034 PH'06-1207 tooth half 504755 F W6a .. Yes NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL NE 500–600 CE Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia 42,01656 2,814897 Spain This study Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó
    I12162 PH'06-1163 tooth half 434443 M U5b1b1d J2a Yes NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL NE 500–600 CE Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia 42,01656 2,814897 Spain This study Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó
    I12163 PH'06-1166 tooth half 416220 F J2b1a+16311 .. Yes NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL NE 500–600 CE Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia 42,01656 2,814897 Spain This study Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó
    I12164 PH'06-1157 tooth half 43000 F C4a1a+195 .. 1st_rel_I12032 No (kinship) NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL NE 500–600 CE Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia 42,01656 2,814897 Spain This study Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó
    I10851 SJR'15-1669 tooth half 55880 F H3 .. Yes NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE NE 887–1013 cal CE (1100±30 BP, Beta-458691) Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia 42,0507 2,867 Spain This study Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó
    I10852 SJR'14-1670 tooth half 304635 F H6c .. Yes NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE NE 973–1150 cal CE (1010±30 BP, Beta-458692) Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia 42,0507 2,867 Spain This study Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó
    I10853 SJR'15-1796 tooth half 247959 M U4a1 E1b1b1a1b1 Yes NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE NE 989–1153 cal CE (990±30 BP, Beta-448950) Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia 42,0507 2,867 Spain This study Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó
    I10854 SJR'15-1820 tooth half 4221 M H1n+146 BT No (Low coverage) NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE NE 973–1150 cal CE (1010±30 BP, Beta-448952) Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia 42,0507 2,867 Spain This study Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó
    I10892 SJR'15-1846 tooth half 547168 F H1e1a3 .. Yes NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE NE 770–1200 CE (based on dates in the same context) Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia 42,0507 2,867 Spain This study Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó
    I10895 SJR'15-1828 tooth half 631258 M H1ap1 R1b1a1a2a1a1c Yes NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE NE 777–981 cal CE (1140±30 BP, Beta-448953) Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia 42,0507 2,867 Spain This study Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó
    I10897 SJR'17-2099 tooth half 114230 F I1c .. Yes NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE NE 1033–1204 cal CE (910±30 BP, Beta-477258) Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia 42,0507 2,867 Spain This study Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    me after the update now i have selvecus
    Analysis Summary





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    Seleucid

    Hellenic Roman



    Seleucid EmpireHellenic RomansIn the 8th century BC (before the Roman Republic), Greeks began a large colonization drive to southern Italy to populate Sicily, Campania, Calabria, Apulia and Bascilicata. The romans referred to this region which includes the boot of Italy as Magna Graecia (Greater Greece). This large scale migration was underway by the time of the Trojan War and lasted several centuries. The settlers brought Hellenic civilization which had a lasting impact on the culture of Ancient Rome. The Hellenic civilization interacted with the native Italic civilization. The Greek cities were one by one absorbed into the Roman Republic starting with Neapolis in 327 BC. Sicily was conqureed by Rome during the first Punic War against Carthage.
    Sicily was initially populated by Phoenicians but then heavily colonized and settled by Greeks. Syracuse (Sicily) became the most populous greek city in the world by the 3rd century BC. The population of the island remained mostly unchanged.



    RomansThe founding of mighty Rome starts with the story of Romulus and Remus. Whether they were suckled by a she-wolf as infants or descended from the Trojan War hero Aeneas, the Latins who settled Rome had their crude dwellings tranformed into a true city by their Etruscan overlords. The Etruscans were master builders who gave Rome its architecture, gods, and gladiators. After overthrowing their conquerors, the Roman Republic expanded quickly to incorporate the Latins, Etruscans (originally from Anatolia), Greek settlers to the south and Gauls to the north. Republic gave way to Empire and after a thousand years it was time for Rome to face its end. Although numerous invaders arrived on the scene as the empire weakened and crumbled, the wars with the Ostrogoths from 535-554 AD had a lasting impact that left Italy devastated and depopulated.






    Seleucid + Hellenic Roman (6.842)
    Seleucid + Roman (7.685)
    Hellenic Roman (11.51)
    Seleucid (13.07)
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    bronze age
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    iron age
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    but i still close by total autosomal to hellenic romans

    https://i.imgur.com/xN0scd1.png



    I don't know where you're getting this stuff but there are some WHOPPING errors in it.

    Sicily was NOT originally populated by Phoenicians. There were a couple of Phoenician settlements in the northwestern tip of Sicily. Later on, Sicily, like Spain and other areas, was conquered by the Carthaginians whom the Romans eventually kicked out. There is no indication of widespread Carthaginian settlement, just lots of mercenaries from God knows where, like all mercenary armies, including that of Hannibal.

    Leaked ancient dna indicates the Etruscans DID NOT come from Anatolia. Their closest genetic relatives are North Italians, Spanish and perhaps southern French.


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    i think the Hellenistic dude my true ancestry use is kit :

    KY5050046

    MA_ 2197 from this paper
    https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...268.1562518884

    in gedmatch eurogenes k13 he cluster with greek thesally that is inline with mainland greek origin or macedonian greek
    the distance is huge but the most close modern population is mainland north greek

    Kit Num: KY5050046
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    This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
    Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
    Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
    Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

    K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Med 36.32
    2 East_Med 19.32
    3 Baltic 16.88
    4 North_Atlantic 15.23
    5 West_Asian 8.90
    6 Amerindian 2.36


    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Greek_Thessaly @ 18.074099

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I don't know where you're getting this stuff but there are some WHOPPING errors in it.

    Sicily was NOT originally populated by Phoenicians. There were a couple of Phoenician settlements in the northwestern tip of Sicily. Later on, Sicily, like Spain and other areas, was conquered by the Carthaginians whom the Romans eventually kicked out. There is no indication of widespread Carthaginian settlement, just lots of mercenaries from God knows where, like all mercenary armies, including that of Hannibal.

    Leaked ancient dna indicates the Etruscans DID NOT come from Anatolia. Their closest genetic relatives are North Italians, Spanish and perhaps southern French.
    Could I please see this study? Cause I am very curious and at the same time skeptical. At least the ruling class in Etruria had some connection with BA Anatolians. I am not denying them being closest to North Italians, Spanish and French however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archetype0ne View Post
    Could I please see this study? Cause I am very curious and at the same time skeptical. At least the ruling class in Etruria had some connection with BA Anatolians. I am not denying them being closest to North Italians, Spanish and French however.
    We have this PCA, from an academic paper. Any connection between the ruling class in Etruria and BA Anatolians is unproven and not supported by archeology.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Archetype0ne View Post
    Could I please see this study? Cause I am very curious and at the same time skeptical. At least the ruling class in Etruria had some connection with BA Anatolians. I am not denying them being closest to North Italians, Spanish and French however.
    Pax has provided you with a PCA which has been known about for a few years, but the paper wasn't published.

    However, the leak I was talking about is from a soon to be published paper with some Etruscan and Ancient Roman samples. As I said above, the leak says they are North Italian like, North Spanish like, perhaps Southern French like. They're not Anatolian like or even Greek like.

    For complete certainty we obviously have to wait to see the paper, but the leaks are very detailed.

    As to the elite, at least, being from the Aegean or western Anatolia, to my knowledge all the Etruscan samples are from "elite" graves. That's how we know they're Etruscans: there are grave goods like pots, statuary, etc. or even sarcophagi and wall paintings.

    So, if these elite Etruscans are North Italian like, they didn't immigrate from western Anatolia, which is what archaeologists have been insisting upon forever.

    See: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...ruscan+samples

    Go to page 8 and start with post number 188. That begins the discussion of the upcoming paper with a copy of the new PCA from it. The Etruscans are the purple squares. They plot near the more steppe admixed Parma Beaker sample, which is close to people like Extremadura Spanish samples, i.e. Southern Spanish. When superimposed on the modern map, a few look Iberian, some Northern Italian, one maybe French. We need more than a PCA to be sure, but they certainly didn't come from Anatolia or even Greece for that matter.

    Take a look at post 232 as well.

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    Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

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    28. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2 (Click for more info)
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    32. Icelander Late Medieval (1650 AD) (8.349) - KOV-A2 (Click for more info)
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    35. Saxon Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) (8.512) - GRS-A1 (Click for more info)
    36. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.569) - 6DRIF-3 (Click for more info)
    37. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (8.625) - DA119 (Click for more info)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Pax has provided you with a PCA which has been known about for a few years, but the paper wasn't published.

    However, the leak I was talking about is from a soon to be published paper with some Etruscan and Ancient Roman samples. As I said above, the leak says they are North Italian like, North Spanish like, perhaps Southern French like. They're not Anatolian like or even Greek like.

    For complete certainty we obviously have to wait to see the paper, but the leaks are very detailed.

    As to the elite, at least, being from the Aegean or western Anatolia, to my knowledge all the Etruscan samples are from "elite" graves. That's how we know they're Etruscans: there are grave goods like pots, statuary, etc. or even sarcophagi and wall paintings.

    So, if these elite Etruscans are North Italian like, they didn't immigrate from western Anatolia, which is what archaeologists have been insisting upon forever.

    See: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...ruscan+samples

    Go to page 8 and start with post number 188. That begins the discussion of the upcoming paper with a copy of the new PCA from it. The Etruscans are the purple squares. They plot near the more steppe admixed Parma Beaker sample, which is close to people like Extremadura Spanish samples, i.e. Southern Spanish. When superimposed on the modern map, a few look Iberian, some Northern Italian, one maybe French. We need more than a PCA to be sure, but they certainly didn't come from Anatolia or even Greece for that matter.

    Take a look at post 232 as well.
    Very interesting, thanks for sharing.

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    Roca (archaeological site)
    Mycenaeans, Messapi, ...

    University of Salento, ... some of the best-preserved monumental architecture of the Bronze Age (2nd millennium BC) in Southern Italy, along with the largest set of Mycenaean pottery ever recovered west of mainland Greece.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roca...ological_site)

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    I find it interesting that in the site under north-italian........it states closest is alsace, in france then portugal then galicia spain
    Fathers mtdna T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna T1a1e
    Sons mtdna K1a4o
    Mum paternal line R1b-S8172
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    Angela I quate my true ancestery site
    This there description not mine ...
    Well, that's a shocker. I thought they were better informed than that, since they claim all this academic expertise. I don't expect much historical knowledge from population geneticists, but nobody told them about the upcoming paper on the Etruscans?

    Someone should give them a head's up. It sounds like history via theapricity.

    I take that back. It's not a shocker. A lot of their original descriptions for the ancient samples were completely misleading. It was only when we complained about it here that they started cleaning that up.

    I also think they owe people the explanation that some of these "similarities" with ancient samples, i.e. the genetic distances, are HUGE.

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    Level
    84
    Points: 73,816, Level: 84
    Level completed: 40%, Points required for next Level: 1,034
    Overall activity: 90.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b1a1a2b1 (R-F1794)
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H6a1b

    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: United States



    3 out of 3 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Below I've taken screen shots of the seven samples I match first with on Mytrueancestry, compared to my own results, using Dodecad K12b
    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post

    1. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (8.423) - SZ40
    2. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (10.28) - CL38
    3. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (11.21) - CL121
    4. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (12.02) - CL30
    5. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (12.48) - CL25
    6. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.58) - SZ19
    7. Central Roman (590 AD) (14.03) - SZ36
    8. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.4) - I9033
    9. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.49) - I9041
    10. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (15.17) - I9006
    11. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.2) - SZ43
    12. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (15.25) - Ker1
    13. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.84) - SZ32











    Posted this in another thread, but it is relevant here as well.

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