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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post

    Posted this in another thread, but it is relevant here as well.
    Thanks for sharing. Can't believe they still haven't corrected the description for the Crimean Ostrogoth sample to indicate that genetically he's Eastern Greek like.

    Does show how inclusive the Goths were, however, compared to the Langobards, for example. He was the "big" chief, wonderful burial goods.


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    Although my non-European component is 21%, I still see the coincidences with the main components of my first match. CL36 ...

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    Ashkelon Samples have been added:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Ashkelon Samples have been added:
    I think ultimately my connection to all of them further down the list is because of Anatolian Copper age, which I get as my 14th entry. Which seems relatively high considering it is in with more recent samples.

    As well as later Greek and Italic influences, for ones that make sense for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I think ultimately my connection to all of them further down the list is because of Anatolian Copper age, which I get as my 14th entry. Which seems relatively high considering it is in with more recent samples.

    As well as later Greek and Italic influences, for ones that make sense for it.
    Hi, Jovialis.
    Very interesting the inclusion of samples of philistines.
    I know you're already aware of this, but MTA geneticists adopt more flexible distances for matches with old samples, and they themselves make a point of explaining:



    And this is quite logical since very old samples with very small distances from modern individuals would be difficult to find.
    In this sense I believe that their distances with the Philistines are quite reasonable, especially considering that the articles that have been published on the subject point to a great similarity of the philistine DNA with the DNA of ancient skeletons found in burials on the Greek island of Crete :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Hi, Jovialis.
    Very interesting the inclusion of samples of philistines.
    I know you're already aware of this, but MTA geneticists adopt more flexible distances for matches with old samples, and they themselves make a point of explaining:



    And this is quite logical since very old samples with very small distances from modern individuals would be difficult to find.
    In this sense I believe that their distances with the Philistines are quite reasonable, especially considering that the articles that have been published on the subject point to a great similarity of the philistine DNA with the DNA of ancient skeletons found in burials on the Greek island of Crete :)
    A big hug.
    Well, not to be a naysayer, Duarte, but my top matches are to two Szolad "Central Romans" : 3.4 and 4.6. That's closer than I get on calculators to any modern Italian populations. All of my top ten matches are under 10, and the next ten are between 11 and 13. I don't pay much attention to the rest. It shows broad similar ancient ancestry in my opinion, but not much more than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Well, not to be a naysayer, Duarte, but my top matches are to two Szolad "Central Romans" : 3.4 and 4.6. That's closer than I get on calculators to any modern Italian populations. All of my top ten matches are under 10, and the next ten are between 11 and 13. I don't pay much attention to the rest. It shows broad similar ancient ancestry in my opinion, but not much more than that.
    I do not disagree with your reasoning, Angela. You always bring reason and balance when it seems that a particular theme on a thread is drifting off course. You always bring the shock of reality that, in my understanding, is very important. In fact, as you pointed, small distances mean close proximity. From 1 to 4 my matches have distances less than 10, and these matches seems logical to me, and from 5 to 17, my matches have distances less than 13. Except for matches with Dalmatian Illyrians (2x), Scythians from Moldova (2x) and Thracians from Bulgaria (1x), which seems to me very strange, - all these last three inferiors to distance of 13 and superiors to distance of 10, the other matches, even the superior ones to the distance of 13, seems logical to me. I believe that, in fact, matches with great distances have a great bias of inaccuracy, but can count as a reference to be considered, in the absence of closer samples. In this respect, those with northern parentage benefit from a higher number of samples that also have a better level of quality due to the preservation of DNA because of the colder climate. It is visible that all those with North-European ancestry have distances that are less than 13 until the proximity of the sample of number 60.
    Thanks and a big hug :)

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    So Duarte do you think that with a Big Y 700 file would obtain better results for example for these old samples and in general?

    By the way I have a new one
    93. Viking Saxon Iceland (1150 AD) (24.71) - TSK-A26

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    So Duarte do you think that with a Big Y 700 file would obtain better results for example for these old samples and in general?

    By the way I have a new one
    93. Viking Saxon Iceland (1150 AD) (24.71) - TSK-A26
    Hello Carlos. I understand that the complete knowledge of the Y-DNA tree is an excellent auxiliary tool for anyone who has already done auDNA. It is very interesting to know your deep Y-DNA and in what regions it is more frequent. The price is salty, but if you're willing to pay, I think it's worth it. Hugs:)


    https://www.familytreedna.com/products/y-dna#/compare


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    I thought this was quite interesting for my father-in-law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    So Duarte do you think that with a Big Y 700 file would obtain better results for example for these old samples and in general?

    By the way I have a new one
    93. Viking Saxon Iceland (1150 AD) (24.71) - TSK-A26
    Carlos, BigY700 tests just your Y chromosome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Well, not to be a naysayer, Duarte, but my top matches are to two Szolad "Central Romans" : 3.4 and 4.6. That's closer than I get on calculators to any modern Italian populations. All of my top ten matches are under 10, and the next ten are between 11 and 13. I don't pay much attention to the rest. It shows broad similar ancient ancestry in my opinion, but not much more than that.
    I think for me, the SZ40 sample would be the most salient in regards to my ancestry.



    Nevertheless, it is only at (8.423)

    However, I score a better fit when it is combined with a "Central Roman":

    Hellenic Roman + Roman (5.803)

    I think if they used Ancient samples from a region closer to mine, I would get better fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    Carlos, BigY700 tests just your Y chromosome.
    Yes I know, that's where I come from, but I think it will be even more complete and with more markers than the 67 test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I think for me, the SZ40 sample would be the most salient in regards to my ancestry.



    Nevertheless, it is only at (8.423)

    However, I score a better fit when it is combined with a "Central Roman":

    Hellenic Roman + Roman (5.803)

    I think if they used Ancient samples from a region closer to mine, I would get better fit.
    Come to think of it, "Hellenic Roman + Roman", is a better fit than what I get with Italian populations on Gedmatch.

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 C_Italian (Dodecad) 6.78
    2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 6.85
    3 Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.04
    4 Greek (Dodecad) 7.18
    5 O_Italian (Dodecad) 8.24

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    Yes I know, that's where I come from, but I think it will be even more complete and with more markers than the 67 test.
    I see. Notice that IBD sharing and matching, in MTA, use Autosomal + X, so BigY700 would not make any difference here.
    Companies don't use Y for it, generally, because it doesn't recombine. Y matches are in separated tools.
    I mean, there is crossing over between Y and X, but it's limited to the pseudoautosomal regions PAR1 and PAR2, with abt. 30 genes so far. So, for example, a female can inherit, yes, an allele from the Y of her father, but just from those specific little regions.

    Anyway, BigY700 is a nice test, of course. It's great to help in the Y phylogenetic tree building. No comparison with a Y67. The only "problem" is the price, je je je.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    So Duarte do you think that with a Big Y 700 file would obtain better results for example for these old samples and in general?

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    Top 60 MTA ancient samples - New list.
    Inside (new):
    22. Iron Age Catalan (600 BC) (14.59) - I4556
    out:
    60. Italy Bell Beaker (2000 BC) (21.0)
    The last ancient sample of Top 60 list now is:
    60. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (20.99) - I12162


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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    I do not disagree with your reasoning, Angela. You always bring reason and balance when it seems that a particular theme on a thread is drifting off course. You always bring the shock of reality that, in my understanding, is very important. In fact, as you pointed, small distances mean close proximity. From 1 to 4 my matches have distances less than 10, and these matches seems logical to me, and from 5 to 17, my matches have distances less than 13. Except for matches with Dalmatian Illyrians (2x), Scythians from Moldova (2x) and Thracians from Bulgaria (1x), which seems to me very strange, - all these last three inferiors to distance of 13 and superiors to distance of 10, the other matches, even the superior ones to the distance of 13, seems logical to me. I believe that, in fact, matches with great distances have a great bias of inaccuracy, but can count as a reference to be considered, in the absence of closer samples. In this respect, those with northern parentage benefit from a higher number of samples that also have a better level of quality due to the preservation of DNA because of the colder climate. It is visible that all those with North-European ancestry have distances that are less than 13 until the proximity of the sample of number 60.
    Thanks and a big hug :)
    I think that northern Europeans have more matches that are "close" in genetic distance partly because of, as you say the better "quality" of the ancient samples due to the climate, but also because they have been subject to less migration since the Bronze Age.

    I also want to thank you for the kind words. Coming from someone I respect they mean a great deal.

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    Here is a PCA I made using my first 15 matches. However, I am missing MA2208, I couldn't find the Gedmatch kit for it anywhere. Some of them seem off, like SZ19. But I triple-checked to see if it was correctly done. That one is supposed to cluster near CL30, CL25, and CL38:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post


    Here is a PCA I made using my first 15 matches. However, I am missing MA2208, I couldn't the Gedmatch kit for it anywhere. Some of them seem off, like SZ19. But I triple-checked to see if it was correctly done. That one is supposed to cluster near CL30, CL25, and CL38:

    Posts 92 and 93 @:
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    My new numbers ( under 10.0 ) below, where do I get the gedmatch numbers for the ancient samples so I can place them on the K15 map




    Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


    (Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)

    1. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (7.349) SZ28
    2. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (8.469) CL23
    3. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) (8.971) I3313
    4. Central Roman (590 AD) (9.665) SZ36
    5. Central Roman (670 AD) (9.851) CL36
    Fathers mtdna T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna T1a1e
    Sons mtdna K1a4o
    Mum paternal line R1b-S8172
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    Excellent new feature allows you to adjust the samples being shown. I put it for 10 of the best samples for goodness of fit.




    This will be useful for weeding out samples that only have distant relationships with common source populations.

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    Yes, is cool. I have been criticized for spending money on these things but I do not care, I am not responsible for the hunger in the world and I imagine that the creators also needed to eat hot every day. I have also been accused of being Indo-European and Visigoth but I do not care, I do what I want.

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    Yes, is cool. I have been criticized for spending money on these things but I do not care, I am not responsible for the hunger in the world and I imagine that the creators also needed to eat hot every day. I have also been accused of being Indo-European and Visigoth but I do not care, I do what I want.
    I can relate to that, this is what I like to splurge on as well. :)

    Certainly, it is a better use of money, than people who waste away in a bar, or on drugs.

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