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    Quote Originally Posted by brick View Post
    PCA samples from Lombard period cemetery at Collegno (6th-7th century A.D.), Italy

    PCA samples from Lombard period cemetery at Szólád (6th century A.D.), Hungary

    PCA with Collegno and Szólád samples
    I wonder though, why do the modern South Italians plots fall north of CL30, CL38, and CL25 in these PCAs; while on the one from the study, they're on top of the most southern ones?

    I'd say MTA and the PCA you posted are consistent with the positions of the ancient samples though. I think my position in relation to the SZ40 is correct, as it is to Apulia on your PCA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I wonder though, why do the modern South Italian plots fall north of CL30, CL38, and CL25 in these PCAs; while on the one from the study, they're on top of the most southernly ones?
    my explanation would be that the 2 shown components are not the same and that might have to do with the different samples. so for example both seem to have an axis that could be interpretated as WHG/EHG ancestry. but maybe in the first 2 PCA's the second axis captures a bit more EEF ancestry variance while in the PCA from the study the second axis has a bit more CHG andmixture variance.

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    This is what I would assume the results would be like in relation to these population cohorts. The Hittite is probably the Anatolian Bronze-Age sample overlaping with SITALY1 in the Raveane et al paper. Though other PCAs like Lazardis et al 2017, also have the Mycenaeans overlapping with people who would encompass SITALY1 too.

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    Could someone explain to me how those plots work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    Ditto :)





    Definitely the same kind of gene pool. :)





    North Italy (Bergamo) looks very much like the supposedly "Medieval Iberian" sample found at Collegno (that's labeled incorrectly, imo), and SZ36 looks Tuscan here, and that's what it comes out on the calculators, but CL36 Emilian. I do indeed practically land on the latter sample. Szolad 43, to which I'm reasonably close, also comes out as North Italian on the Eurogenes K13, but more east than Bergamo.


    I would love to know how my mother would have tested. My hunch is that she would have been Tuscan like, despite having half her ancestry from the Lunigiana. Partly, I think it's probably her father's ancestry from La Spezia. His line is the only one where I have a few holes in my tree because of the destruction of records during the war, so a few people from his tree may have moved up from Toscana, and also, while the people of the Lunigiana are more northern shifted, more Emilian like, there is some variation even there, with the most northern shifted up in the foothills. IF that's correct, which I can't be certain about, that would mean that my father's people are probably a bit more northern shifted than most people of Emilia, but I've thought for a long time that those mountains might be part of that whole mountain group called the territorio delle quattro province: Alessandria, Genova, Pavia and Piacenza.

    I don't know what, in particular, is "special" about Sassuolo, since it's just a small town near Modena, but for fun: both these singers come from there. :)

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    Anyone know more about this "North Roman Warrior", and/or have his gedmatch number?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Definitely the same kind of gene pool. :)

    Anyone know more about this "North Roman Warrior", and/or have his gedmatch number?
    @Angela:

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...e-near-and-far

    https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/9/eaao1262


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    Quote Originally Posted by matty74 View Post
    Could someone explain to me how those plots work?
    Here is a pretty good explanation of how they are calculated.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgakZw6K1QQ

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    My PCA plots:



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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Thankyou
    I agree with these PCA plots
    Below is mine from other "plotters"
    Only the ones uner 10.00
    SZ28......Trentino.....fonzaso
    CL23......Lombardy east.....near lake Garda
    I3313......Friuli Grado
    SZ36.......Romagna Rimini
    CL36.......Emilia....sussolo
    Second name is closest town
    1. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (7.349) - SZ28 (Click for more info)
    2. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (8.469) - CL23 (Click for more info)
    3. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) (8.971) - I3313 (Click for more info)
    4. Central Roman (590 AD) (9.665) - SZ36 (Click for more info)
    5. Central Roman (670 AD) (9.851) - CL36 (Click for more info)

    6. Central Roman (590 AD) (10.03) - SZ43 ...........another Romagnolo
    7. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) (10.08) - NS3c ...........Tyrolese
    8. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) (10.63) - NS3b .....Thracian
    9. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (11.21) - CL57 ........Trentino
    10. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (11.57) - CL94 NW Italy

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    Hmmmmm...here is mine but I plot well west of Serbians and Bosnians but very close to Greek Thessaly:

    Modern PCA


    I don't quite understand why I plot west of all of those populations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    Hmmmmm...here is mine but I plot well west of Serbians and Bosnians but very close to Greek Thessaly:
    Attachment 11221

    I don't quite understand why I plot west of all of those populations.
    I'm hardly an expert at this but wouldn't Greeks plot a bit west of Serbians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matty74 View Post
    I'm hardly an expert at this but wouldn't Greeks plot a bit west of Serbians?
    Look at TardisBlue's plot, there Greek_Thessaly plots east of all those Balkanites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    We cannot see any of them.
    I will try to fix it

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    Thanks, Duarte. I must have had a brain freeze. I'm too distracted.

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    Thanks, Duarte. I must have had a brain freeze. I'm too distracted.

    Strange, if true, they were either adopting young boys or holding them as hostages, or maybe both in a way.

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    An interesting one...

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    I thought this was an interesting match
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheal View Post
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    I thought this was an interesting match

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    I LOVE that, but how on earth to explain it?

    Your PCA is exactly how I would have imagined one for an American with almost all British Isles testimony. Very interesting, Wheal. Thanks for sharing. :)

    So touching that the Maryland sample is included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheal View Post
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    I thought this was an interesting match

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    WOW. Very cool Wheal. Congratulations. Thanks for sharing. I loved see these matches with Native Americans.

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