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    I used the same raw data to make 2 separate kits. Both are slightly different from each other. The third (which I deleted) was identical to #2. My 1st kit was the original and I uploaded another copy later on.

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    Viking Icelandic + Longobard (2.181)
    Celt + Longobard (2.314)
    Longobard (5.104)
    Celt (5.472)
    Viking Icelandic (6.764)

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    Viking Icelandic + Longobard (2.147)
    Celt + Longobard (2.239)
    Longobard (5.147)
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    Viking Icelandic (6.814)
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    My two deep dives are different though. I'm not sure why??

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    I was very pleased with the detailing of Portugal doing by LM Genetics. Perfectly consistent with Santarém (Lisbon region and land of my paternal ancestors) and northern Portugal (Oporto, land of my maternal ancestors). Others calculators do not offer this level of detailing of the regions of Portugal.
    IMO, I see a great consistency of these results with the matches I have with the ancient MyTrueAncestry samples:





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    CA (Correspondence Analysis plot)

    MDS plot (with minimum spanning tree)

    Dendrogram (relevant part)

    Correlation map


    Euclidean distances map






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    @Duarte, this is fairly consistent with my LM Genetics Report as well.




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    I had also run the LM K36 ancestral report last year.
    At that time the pie chart was not present to depict the admixture, but only the nearest populations, nor the map with Euclidean values. In any case, the results have always seemed to me to be correct and rather reliable: only some doubts about the reporting of Liguria as my first reference population. Since I don't see nearby Ligurian ancestors in my genealogy, the hypothesis I had then advanced is that in my autosomal some important component attributable to the ancient Friniates, a people who lived in the high plains and the Tuscan-Emilian Apennines, is somehow encrypted. They lived mainly in the most internal areas of the provinces of Reggio Emilia, Modena, Pistoia. After the wars and defeats against the Romans in the second century BC if I remember correctly, many of them were deported to various areas, including the plain.
    I suppose that for this same reason many of the ancient Samples that attribute to me Mytrueancestry (often ancient and medieval Iberians) are similar to this ancient Ligurian (or Celto-Ligurian) population.



    I. Population admixture section


    nMonte3 provides you with frequencies related to your recent ancestry, and works best for individiuals of a non-mixed background. It is also very adept at detecting
    subtle regional differences.


    "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"


    IT_Liguria IT_Emilia-Romagna IT_Tuscany IT_Lombardia IT_Marche IT_Veneto IT_Lazio IT_Trentino
    7.106611 7.557949 7.761048 7.848771 9.142833 9.526429 9.949162 10.21612


    "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE" (estimated percentages)
    "distance%=5.9514"


    IT_Liguria,33.4
    IT_Lombardia,22.8
    IT_Tuscany,8.4
    IT_Ladinia,6.6
    IT_Marche,5.6
    IT_Lazio,4.6
    IT_Veneto,3.4
    Sauris_Friuli,3
    Cimbri_Lessina,1.8
    IT_Campania,1.8
    Sicily_Agrigento,1.4
    Sicily_Palermo,1.2
    IT_Abruzzo,0.8
    IT_Apulia,0.8
    Sicily_Trapani,0.8
    FR_Basque,0.4
    IT_Calabria,0.4
    Sicily_Caltanisetta,0.4
    Sicily_Messina,0.4
    FR_South-West,0.2
    IT_Friuli,0.2
    Sudetenland,0.2
    TUN_Bizerta,0.2
    TUN_Sousse,0.2

    Admix4 oracle (two methods, one of them is more speculative) - all references


    Least-squares method.


    Using 1 population approximation:


    1 IT_Liguria @ 7,121338
    2 IT_Emilia-Romagna @ 7,491729
    3 IT_Tuscany @ 7,763512
    4 IT_Lombardia @ 7,863361
    5 IT_Marche @ 9,14301
    6 IT_Veneto @ 9,523406
    7 IT_Lazio @ 9,950118
    8 IT_Trentino @ 10,149658
    9 IT_Ladinia @ 10,345232
    10 IT_Friuli @ 10,571764
    488 iterations.


    Using 2 populations approximation:


    1 Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros @ 6,453777
    2 Islas_Baleares+GR_Thessaly @ 6,461241
    3 IT_Lazio+IT_Ladinia @ 6,527824
    4 Islas_Baleares+GR_Eubea @ 6,573916
    5 IT_Lazio+IT_Veneto @ 6,576719
    6 IT_Tuscany+IT_Ladinia @ 6,645734
    7 Islas_Baleares+South_Albania @ 6,65631
    8 Swiss_Italian+GR_Eubea @ 6,665912
    9 IT_Lombardia+GR_Eubea @ 6,770862
    10 Swiss_Italian+IT_Abruzzo @ 6,795091
    119316 iterations.


    Using 3 populations approximation:


    1 50% IT_Tuscany +25% Islas_Baleares +25% GR_Eubea @ 5,553853
    2 50% GR_Eubea +25% IT_Tuscany +25% Islas_Baleares @ 5,651431
    3 50% IT_Tuscany +25% Islas_Baleares +25% GR_Ipeiros @ 5,756701
    4 50% IT_Tuscany +25% Islas_Baleares +25% GR_Thessaly @ 5,777034
    5 50% IT_Lombardia +25% Islas_Baleares +25% GR_Kalymnos @ 5,778835
    6 50% GR_Eubea +25% IT_Lombardia +25% Islas_Baleares @ 5,780175
    7 50% IT_Liguria +25% IT_Ladinia +25% GR_Ipeiros @ 5,803042
    8 50% GR_Thessaly +25% IT_Tuscany +25% Asturia @ 5,81989
    9 50% IT_Lombardia +25% Islas_Baleares +25% GR_Chios @ 5,836639
    10 50% IT_Liguria +25% IT_Lombardia +25% GR_Eubea @ 5,839799
    42048280 iterations.


    Using 4 populations approximation:


    1 IT_Lombardia+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros+GR_Eubea @ 5,489679
    2 IT_Lombardia+IT_Abruzzo+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,493085
    3 IT_Tuscany+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros+GR_Eubea @ 5,512265
    4 IT_Tuscany+IT_Tuscany+Islas_Baleares+GR_Eubea @ 5,553853
    5 IT_Tuscany+Asturia+GR_Thessaly+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,590509
    6 IT_Marche+IT_Lombardia+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,593941
    7 IT_Tuscany+Asturia+GR_Ipeiros+GR_Eubea @ 5,595645
    8 IT_Lazio+IT_Lombardia+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,604482
    9 IT_Lombardia+Sicily_Palermo+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipei ros @ 5,625995
    10 IT_Lombardia+Sicily_Agrigento+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ip eiros @ 5,62766
    11 IT_Tuscany+Asturia+GR_Thessaly+GR_Eubea @ 5,632124
    12 IT_Tuscany+Islas_Baleares+GR_Eubea+North_Albania @ 5,635396
    13 IT_Tuscany+Islas_Baleares+GR_Eubea+Kosovo @ 5,638068
    14 IT_Lombardia+Sicily_Trapani+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipei ros @ 5,645465
    15 IT_Tuscany+Islas_Baleares+GR_Eubea+GR_Eubea @ 5,651431
    16 IT_Marche+IT_Tuscany+Islas_Baleares+GR_Eubea @ 5,659674
    17 IT_Lombardia+IT_Campania+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,66311
    18 Swiss_Italian+IT_Campania+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiro s @ 5,669031
    19 IT_Liguria+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros+GR_Eubea @ 5,67655
    20 IT_Lombardia+Asturia+GR_Thessaly+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,680977
    705705132 iterations.


    Gaussian method.
    Noise dispersion set to 0,130062


    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 IT_Tuscany @ 3,309671
    2 IT_Liguria @ 3,38394
    3 IT_Emilia-Romagna @ 3,508637
    4 IT_Lombardia @ 3,754212
    5 North_Albania @ 4,253021
    6 IT_Abruzzo @ 4,335293
    7 IT_Piemonte @ 4,434349
    8 South_Albania @ 4,581939
    9 IT_Friuli @ 4,648283
    10 IT_Ladinia @ 4,669176
    488 iterations.

    Using 2 populations approximation:


    1 IT_Lombardia+IT_Abruzzo @ 3,096748
    2 IT_Tuscany+IT_Lombardia @ 3,113639
    3 IT_Lazio+IT_Lombardia @ 3,116062
    4 IT_Lazio+Swiss_Italian @ 3,139034
    5 IT_Tuscany+IT_Emilia-Romagna @ 3,195713
    6 IT_Tuscany+IT_Liguria @ 3,232746
    7 IT_Lombardia+IT_Liguria @ 3,250675
    8 Swiss_Italian+IT_Abruzzo @ 3,273168
    9 IT_Lazio+IT_Emilia-Romagna @ 3,300874
    10 IT_Tuscany+IT_Tuscany @ 3,309671
    119316 iterations.


    Using 3 populations approximation:


    1 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Lombardia +25% GR_Kalymnos @ 2,841519
    2 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Lazio +25% GR_Ipeiros @ 2,861518
    3 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Lazio +25% GR_Thrace @ 2,870897
    4 50% IT_Lombardia +25% Swiss_Italian +25% GR_Kalymnos @ 2,888782
    5 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Emilia-Romagna +25% GR_Kalymnos @ 2,942705
    6 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Tuscany +25% GR_Thrace @ 2,947302
    7 50% IT_Lombardia +25% FR_Corsica +25% GR_Thrace @ 2,947811
    8 50% Swiss_Italian +25% IT_Lazio +25% GR_Thrace @ 2,94874
    9 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Lombardia +25% GR_Chios @ 2,950766
    10 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Tuscany +25% GR_Kalymnos @ 2,952012






    II. Plots / dendrogram section



    MDS (with minimum spanning tree)


    Dendrogram (relevant part)



    K36 Correlation Map (with the first 100 populations)




    1 IT_Liguria 0,97144
    2 IT_Tuscany 0,96844
    3 IT_Emilia-Romagna 0,96786
    4 IT_Lombardia 0,96586
    5 IT_Marche 0,94934
    6 IT_Lazio 0,94592
    7 IT_Veneto 0,94202
    8 Swiss_Italian 0,93606
    9 FR_Corsica 0,93552
    10 IT_Trentino 0,93455
    11 IT_Ladinia 0,93124
    12 IT_Friuli 0,92907
    13 IT_Piemonte 0,92764
    14 GR_Eubea 0,91439
    15 North_Albania 0,91356
    16 Kosovo 0,91226
    17 Ipeiros 0,90729
    18 IT_Abruzzo 0,90699
    19 IT_Aosta 0,90698
    20 South_Albania 0,90439
    21 Dutch_Ashkenazy 0,90147
    22 Albanians Montenegro 0,89705
    23 GR_Thessaly 0,89566
    24 Albanians_FYROM0,89023
    25 Islas Baleares 0,88605
    26 GR_Peloponese 0,87333
    27 Sicily_Trapani 0,85991
    28 IT_Apulia 0,85933
    29 GR_Macedonia1 0,85814
    30 GR_Thessaloniki 0,8578
    31 Cataluna 0,85462
    32 IT_Campania 0,85449
    33 FR_Central 0,84844
    34 GR_Central 0,84807
    35 Portugal 0,84553
    36 Sicily_Palermo 0,84173
    37 ES_Galicia 0,83785
    38 Sicily_Agrigento 0,83592
    39 GR_Vlach 0,83539
    40 FR_South0,83521
    41 Macedonia_FYROM 0,83014
    42 Sicily_Caltanisetta 0,82388
    43 Canarias0,82387
    44 Sicily_Ragusa 0,82283
    45 GR_Andros 0,82092
    46 Comunidad Valenciana 0,82079
    47 Montenegro 0,8185
    48 Malta 0,81659
    49 GR_Kythira 0,81655
    50 FR_Swiss 0,81549
    51 IT_Calabria 0,81529
    52 Principado de Asturias 0,81487
    53 Sicily_Katania 0,81008
    54 Sephardi_Portugal(Belmonte) 0,80905
    55 Thrace 0,80845
    56 Castilla y León 0,80778
    57 Castilla-La Mancha 0,80778
    58 Bulgaria 0,80592
    59 Spanish_mixed 0,80193
    60 GR_Cyclades 0,80068
    61 Sicily_Messina 0,79839
    62 FR_mixed 0,78965
    63 Andalusia 0,78635
    64 GR_Kalymnos 0,78627
    65 Poland_Ashkenazy 0,78494
    66 Swiss_German 0,78383
    67 Romanian_Jew 0,78186
    68 South_Romania 0,78026
    69 Tirol 0,77822
    70 GR_Chios 0,77181
    71 South-East_Romania 0,77143
    72 France_Ashkenazy 0,77098
    73 Belarus_Ashkenazy 0,7664
    74 Sephardi_Bulgaria0,76286
    75 Extremadura 0,76198
    76 German_Ashkenazy 0,76052
    77 GR_Crete 0,75239
    78 Latvia_Ashkenazy 0,75045
    79 GR_Ikaria 0,74849
    80 IT_Bolzano 0,74734
    81 Italian_Jew 0,74702
    82 Baden-Württemberg 0,74525
    83 Serbia 0,74496
    84 Cantabria 0,7379
    85 Aragón 0,73624
    86 North-West_Romania 0,73532
    87 GR_Dodecanese 0,72207
    88 Rheinland-Pfalz 0,72119
    89 FR_North-East 0,70936
    90 Saarland0,70847
    91 Western Serbians 1 0,70219
    92 Western Serbians 2 0,70219
    93 North-East_Romania 0,6914
    94 IT_Sardinia 0,68719
    95 AustroHungarian_Ashkenazy 0,68653
    96 La Rioja 0,68476
    97 Moroccan_Jew 0,68311
    98 Walloons0,68116
    99 South-West_Romania 0,67902
    100 Sephardi_Turkey 0,66679

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    I must say that in the same way I appreciated the Eurogenes K36 calculator combined with the Oracle of nMonte with reference to the findings of Szólád, Collegno and other ancient and late antique samples (it's available on yourdnaportal.com)


    Closest population distances

    Population
    Distance
    CL36_north-Italian
    0.9910701
    SZ36_north-Italian
    1.1891711
    SZ28_north-Italian
    1.2160251
    CL121__north-Italian
    1.3294021
    SZ43_north-Italian
    1.4221923
    SZ32_north-Italian
    1.4702894
    CL23_north-Italian
    1.4754335
    EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
    1.512881



    Population percentages

    Population Value

    SZ28_north-Italian 24
    CL121__north-Italian 16.2
    SZ36_north-Italian 12.6
    CL23_north-Italian 6.2
    SZ18_Pannonian 6
    Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c 5.4
    CL36_north-Italian 4.6
    SZ19_Italian-Balkan 2.6
    EMA_north-Italian_FN_2 2.4
    CL47_Alpine 2.2
    BA_I9041_Mycenaean 1.6
    CL38_Greek_south-Italian 1.2
    LBA_Armenia_RISE412 1.2
    N_Levant_AinGhazal4 1
    Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 1
    I3578_EMA_Andalusia 0.8
    BA_Hungary_BR2 0.6
    CHL_Anatolian_I1584 0.6
    CL30_Greek_south-Italian 0.6
    DA199HungaryMedieval 0.6
    I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent 0.6
    MN_Germany_I0559 0.6
    SZ32_north-Italian 0.6
    EMA_Greek_STR_300 0.4
    I10851_medieval_Catalonia 0.4
    I1979_Beaker_North_Italy 0.4
    MBA_Germany__RISE471 0.4
    N_Germany_I0048 0.4
    SZ38_Longobard 0.4
    SZ45_Pannonian 0.4
    BA_Hungary_RISE374 0.2
    BA_I9006_Mycenean 0.2
    BA_Portugal_TorreVelha_32032 0.2
    BA_Sydon 0.2
    CHL_Armenia_I1407 0.2
    CHL_Iran_I1665 0.2
    CL94_Iberian 0.2
    CWC_Poland_RISE1 0.2
    EIA_F38_Iran 0.2
    EMA_Italian_STR_502 0.2
    EMA_north-Italian_NW_54 0.2
    EN_Anatolia_Tepe002 0.2
    I10892_Catalonia_medieval 0.2
    I1388_Beaker_South_France 0.2
    LBA_Armenia_RISE397 0.2
    MN_Iberia_I0407 0.2
    N_Germany_I0795 0.2
    N_Sweden_N_Gökhem2 0.2
    Scythian009_Ukraine 0.2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    I had also run the LM K36 ancestral report last year.
    At that time the pie chart was not present to depict the admixture, but only the nearest populations, nor the map with Euclidean values. In any case, the results have always seemed to me to be correct and rather reliable: only some doubts about the reporting of Liguria as my first reference population. Since I don't see nearby Ligurian ancestors in my genealogy, the hypothesis I had then advanced is that in my autosomal some important component attributable to the ancient Friniates, a people who lived in the high plains and the Tuscan-Emilian Apennines, is somehow encrypted. They lived mainly in the most internal areas of the provinces of Reggio Emilia, Modena, Pistoia. After the wars and defeats against the Romans in the second century BC if I remember correctly, many of them were deported to various areas, including the plain.
    I suppose that for this same reason many of the ancient Samples that attribute to me Mytrueancestry (often ancient and medieval Iberians) are similar to this ancient Ligurian (or Celto-Ligurian) population.



    I. Population admixture section


    nMonte3 provides you with frequencies related to your recent ancestry, and works best for individiuals of a non-mixed background. It is also very adept at detecting
    subtle regional differences.


    "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"


    IT_Liguria IT_Emilia-Romagna IT_Tuscany IT_Lombardia IT_Marche IT_Veneto IT_Lazio IT_Trentino
    7.106611 7.557949 7.761048 7.848771 9.142833 9.526429 9.949162 10.21612


    "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE" (estimated percentages)
    "distance%=5.9514"


    IT_Liguria,33.4
    IT_Lombardia,22.8
    IT_Tuscany,8.4
    IT_Ladinia,6.6
    IT_Marche,5.6
    IT_Lazio,4.6
    IT_Veneto,3.4
    Sauris_Friuli,3
    Cimbri_Lessina,1.8
    IT_Campania,1.8
    Sicily_Agrigento,1.4
    Sicily_Palermo,1.2
    IT_Abruzzo,0.8
    IT_Apulia,0.8
    Sicily_Trapani,0.8
    FR_Basque,0.4
    IT_Calabria,0.4
    Sicily_Caltanisetta,0.4
    Sicily_Messina,0.4
    FR_South-West,0.2
    IT_Friuli,0.2
    Sudetenland,0.2
    TUN_Bizerta,0.2
    TUN_Sousse,0.2
    I was just reading about that last night in my book on Northern Italy during the Roman Era. It was a deliberate policy pursued by the Romans to "pacify" the area and bring the people under the control of the large urban centers they were establishing. Of course, not all of them went. In the 500s of the modern era, some "hill" people were still hiding out in the lower Apennines in the Lunigiana worshiping their stone idols, because the chronicles say the Bishop of Sarzana had to send priests up there to smash them.

    However, Liguria is, for such a small province, very diverse genetically in my experience, western from eastern, coastal from foothills of the mountains. I don't know what sample they're using. Where the samples were collected could explain the closeness.

    For example, if it's the sample incorrectly labeled Piemonte that some people use, the people speak a Ligurian dialect, and the villages all have Ligure in their names, but the area borders Piemonte, Lombardia, and Emilia as well as Liguria. It can't be categorized as strictly "Ligurian", but neither is it really Piemonte. It's its own particular "mix" of Northern Italian. I think if enough people up in the northern Apennines and the Apuan Alps were tested before the real "locals" all die off, you'd find differences from valley to valley, as is the case in mountainous parts of Northeastern Italy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I was just reading about that last night in my book on Northern Italy during the Roman Era. It was a deliberate policy pursued by the Romans to "pacify" the area and bring the people under the control of the large urban centers they were establishing. Of course, not all of them went. In the 500s of the modern era, some "hill" people were still hiding out in the lower Apennines in the Lunigiana worshiping their stone idols, because the chronicles say the Bishop of Sarzana had to send priests up there to smash them.

    However, Liguria is, for such a small province, very diverse genetically in my experience, western from eastern, coastal from foothills of the mountains. I don't know what sample they're using. Where the samples were collected could explain the closeness.

    For example, if it's the sample incorrectly labeled Piemonte that some people use, the people speak a Ligurian dialect, and the villages all have Ligure in their names, but the area borders Piemonte, Lombardia, and Emilia as well as Liguria. It can't be categorized as strictly "Ligurian", but neither is it really Piemonte. It's its own particular "mix" of Northern Italian. I think if enough people up in the northern Apennines and the Apuan Alps were tested before the real "locals" all die off, you'd find differences from valley to valley, as is the case in mountainous parts of Northeastern Italy.
    I've been clearing out drawers and came upon some older pictures of my brother. He's your "type", although lighter haired, if I may make a personal comment: a real Emilian. :)

    As soon as I get a minute I'll upload it and send it to you.

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    Slightly different from yours, Stuvane, as makes sense given I'm further west and closer to Toscana.

    I'm intrigued by the poor Italian stranded in Germany. :)

    Population
    Distance
    SZ36_north-Italian
    1.06171
    CL36_north-Italian
    1.106543
    Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c
    1.257098
    CL23_north-Italian
    1.38232
    SZ32_north-Italian
    1.385821
    SZ43_north-Italian
    1.438646
    CL121__north-Italian
    1.574715
    CL94_Iberian
    1.610857
    The dash of Iberian like ancestry is no surprise either. It shows up with modern populations too.

    Closer than I am to any modern populations, btw. Maybe it has something to do with the isolation of both of my areas of ancestry? I'm pretty far from both modern Bergamo and Toscana, around 4 something for both.

    Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c

    24.8

    CL36_north-Italian

    10.8

    SZ36_north-Italian

    9

    CL23_north-Italian

    7.8

    SZ40_Italian

    6.6

    EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1

    5.2

    CL94_Iberian

    4.8

    SZ43_north-Italian

    4

    CL121__north-Italian

    3.8

    I3578_EMA_Andalusia

    2.6

    SZ37_Greek-Italian

    2.6

    BA_Hungary_RISE483

    2.4

    CL30_Greek_south-Italian

    2.2

    i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD

    1.8

    BA_I9041_Mycenaean

    1.6

    CL102_Frankish

    1.4

    BA_Hungary_RISE374

    1

    CHL_Armenia_I1407

    1

    SZ19_Italian-Balkan

    0.8

    CL31_Greek_Balkan

    0.6

    N_Levant__AinGhazal3

    0.6

    BA_I9123_Crete_Armenoi

    0.4

    CL87_Longobard

    0.4

    I3759_Celtiberian

    0.4

    LBA_Armenia_RISE396

    0.4

    SZ14_Longobard

    0.4

    Visigoth_I12032

    0.4

    Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_248

    0.2

    CHL_Iran_I1665

    0.2

    CHL_Iran_I1670

    0.2

    CWC_Swden__RISE179

    0.2

    EMA_Alpine_AED_513

    0.2

    I1979_Beaker_North_Italy

    0.2

    IA_Wielbark_Mas_5_PL

    0.2

    LBA_Armenia_RISE397

    0.2

    LBA_Armenia_RISE408

    0.2

    MBA_Armenia_RISE423

    0.2

    i3759_Celtiberian_IA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Slightly different from yours, Stuvane, as makes sense given I'm further west and closer to Toscana.

    I'm intrigued by the poor Italian stranded in Germany. :)

    Population Distance
    SZ36_north-Italian 1.06171
    CL36_north-Italian 1.106543
    Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c 1.257098
    CL23_north-Italian 1.38232
    SZ32_north-Italian 1.385821
    SZ43_north-Italian 1.438646
    CL121__north-Italian 1.574715
    CL94_Iberian 1.610857
    The dash of Iberian like ancestry is no surprise either. It shows up with modern populations too.

    Closer than I am to any modern populations, btw. Maybe it has something to do with the isolation of both of my areas of ancestry? I'm pretty far from both modern Bergamo and Toscana, around 4 something for both.

    Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c

    24.8

    CL36_north-Italian

    10.8

    SZ36_north-Italian

    9

    CL23_north-Italian

    7.8

    SZ40_Italian

    6.6

    EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1

    5.2

    CL94_Iberian

    4.8

    SZ43_north-Italian

    4

    CL121__north-Italian

    3.8

    I3578_EMA_Andalusia

    2.6

    SZ37_Greek-Italian

    2.6

    BA_Hungary_RISE483

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    CL30_Greek_south-Italian

    2.2

    i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD

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    1.6

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    1

    CHL_Armenia_I1407

    1

    SZ19_Italian-Balkan

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    CL31_Greek_Balkan

    0.6

    N_Levant__AinGhazal3

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    BA_I9123_Crete_Armenoi

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    I3759_Celtiberian

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    SZ14_Longobard

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    Visigoth_I12032

    0.4

    Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_248

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    CHL_Iran_I1665

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    CHL_Iran_I1670

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    CWC_Swden__RISE179

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    EMA_Alpine_AED_513

    0.2

    I1979_Beaker_North_Italy

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    IA_Wielbark_Mas_5_PL

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    0.2

    LBA_Armenia_RISE408

    0.2

    MBA_Armenia_RISE423

    0.2

    i3759_Celtiberian_IA

    0.2
    Yes, that "italian" guy, lost among Alemanni groups, is really intriguing :) Maybe a frontier soldier or a merchant put in a situation not very dissimilar from that Greek - of which Priscus of Panion spoke - who had gone to live with Attila's Huns, even finding a Hun wife, because he was tired of abuse and corruption of decadent Rome...

    Btw here is a paper

    https://bia.unibz.it/bitstream/handl...pdf?sequence=2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    I must say that in the same way I appreciated the Eurogenes K36 calculator combined with the Oracle of nMonte with reference to the findings of Szólád, Collegno and other ancient and late antique samples (it's available on yourdnaportal.com)


    Closest population distances

    Population Distance
    CL36_north-Italian 0.9910701
    SZ36_north-Italian 1.1891711
    SZ28_north-Italian 1.2160251
    CL121__north-Italian 1.3294021
    SZ43_north-Italian 1.4221923
    SZ32_north-Italian 1.4702894
    CL23_north-Italian 1.4754335
    EMA_north-Italian_NW_54 1.512881



    Population percentages


    Population Value

    SZ28_north-Italian 24
    CL121__north-Italian 16.2
    SZ36_north-Italian 12.6
    CL23_north-Italian 6.2
    SZ18_Pannonian 6
    Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c 5.4
    CL36_north-Italian 4.6
    SZ19_Italian-Balkan 2.6
    EMA_north-Italian_FN_2 2.4
    CL47_Alpine 2.2
    BA_I9041_Mycenaean 1.6
    CL38_Greek_south-Italian 1.2
    LBA_Armenia_RISE412 1.2
    N_Levant_AinGhazal4 1
    Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 1
    I3578_EMA_Andalusia 0.8
    BA_Hungary_BR2 0.6
    CHL_Anatolian_I1584 0.6
    CL30_Greek_south-Italian 0.6
    DA199HungaryMedieval 0.6
    I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent 0.6
    MN_Germany_I0559 0.6
    SZ32_north-Italian 0.6
    EMA_Greek_STR_300 0.4
    I10851_medieval_Catalonia 0.4
    I1979_Beaker_North_Italy 0.4
    MBA_Germany__RISE471 0.4
    N_Germany_I0048 0.4
    SZ38_Longobard 0.4
    SZ45_Pannonian 0.4
    BA_Hungary_RISE374 0.2
    BA_I9006_Mycenean 0.2
    BA_Portugal_TorreVelha_32032 0.2
    BA_Sydon 0.2
    CHL_Armenia_I1407 0.2
    CHL_Iran_I1665 0.2
    CL94_Iberian 0.2
    CWC_Poland_RISE1 0.2
    EIA_F38_Iran 0.2
    EMA_Italian_STR_502 0.2
    EMA_north-Italian_NW_54 0.2
    EN_Anatolia_Tepe002 0.2
    I10892_Catalonia_medieval 0.2
    I1388_Beaker_South_France 0.2
    LBA_Armenia_RISE397 0.2
    MN_Iberia_I0407 0.2
    N_Germany_I0795 0.2
    N_Sweden_N_Gökhem2 0.2
    Scythian009_Ukraine 0.2
    i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD 0.2
    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Slightly different from yours, Stuvane, as makes sense given I'm further west and closer to Toscana.

    I'm intrigued by the poor Italian stranded in Germany. :)

    Population Distance
    SZ36_north-Italian 1.06171
    CL36_north-Italian 1.106543
    Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c 1.257098
    CL23_north-Italian 1.38232
    SZ32_north-Italian 1.385821
    SZ43_north-Italian 1.438646
    CL121__north-Italian 1.574715
    CL94_Iberian 1.610857
    The dash of Iberian like ancestry is no surprise either. It shows up with modern populations too.

    Closer than I am to any modern populations, btw. Maybe it has something to do with the isolation of both of my areas of ancestry? I'm pretty far from both modern Bergamo and Toscana, around 4 something for both.

    Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c

    24.8

    CL36_north-Italian

    10.8

    SZ36_north-Italian

    9

    CL23_north-Italian

    7.8

    SZ40_Italian

    6.6

    EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1

    5.2

    CL94_Iberian

    4.8

    SZ43_north-Italian

    4

    CL121__north-Italian

    3.8

    I3578_EMA_Andalusia

    2.6

    SZ37_Greek-Italian

    2.6

    BA_Hungary_RISE483

    2.4

    CL30_Greek_south-Italian

    2.2

    i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD

    1.8

    BA_I9041_Mycenaean

    1.6

    CL102_Frankish

    1.4

    BA_Hungary_RISE374

    1

    CHL_Armenia_I1407

    1

    SZ19_Italian-Balkan

    0.8

    CL31_Greek_Balkan

    0.6

    N_Levant__AinGhazal3

    0.6

    BA_I9123_Crete_Armenoi

    0.4

    CL87_Longobard

    0.4

    I3759_Celtiberian

    0.4

    LBA_Armenia_RISE396

    0.4

    SZ14_Longobard

    0.4

    Visigoth_I12032

    0.4

    Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_248

    0.2

    CHL_Iran_I1665

    0.2

    CHL_Iran_I1670

    0.2

    CWC_Swden__RISE179

    0.2

    EMA_Alpine_AED_513

    0.2

    I1979_Beaker_North_Italy

    0.2

    IA_Wielbark_Mas_5_PL

    0.2

    LBA_Armenia_RISE397

    0.2

    LBA_Armenia_RISE408

    0.2

    MBA_Armenia_RISE423

    0.2

    i3759_Celtiberian_IA

    0.2
    @Stuvanè @Angela

    I think that “Your nMonte3 oracle results
    nMonte3 calculator Eurogenes K36 of yourdnaportal.com” is a cool calculator, but in my particular case, it takes a little more effort in interpreting the results so as not to come to the hasty conclusion that I am an Italo-descendant and not a Luso-descendant :)

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    Population Distance
    EMA_north-Italian_FN_2 1.094853
    CL94_Iberian 1.426082
    CL36_north-Italian 1.45807
    BA_Hungary_RISE373 1.583685
    CL57_north-Italian 1.657397
    SZ43_north-Italian 1.663955
    CL23_north-Italian 1.762547
    SZ45_Pannonian 1.788929

    Population percentages

    Population Value
    EMA_north-Italian_FN_2 45.4
    I3578_EMA_Andalusia 14
    BA_Hungary_RISE373 8.4
    CL57_north-Italian 5.6
    CL36_north-Italian 4.8
    SZ43_north-Italian 4
    BA_Hungary_RISE247 1.8
    BA_Hungary_RISE374 1.4
    MN_Germany_I0560 1.2
    SZ18_Pannonian 1
    BA_Hungary_RISE480 0.8
    EMA_Balkan_AED_125 0.8
    MA2197_Anatolia_IA 0.8
    N_Greece_Revenia5 0.6
    N_Hungary_NE4 0.6
    N_Sweden_Gokhem5 0.6
    i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD 0.6
    BA_I9041_Mycenaean 0.4
    CL121__north-Italian 0.4
    CL63_Alpine 0.4
    CL94_Iberian 0.4
    CWC_Denmark_RISE61 0.4
    EMA_Alpine_STR_328 0.4
    N_Sweden_Gokhem4 0.4
    SZ28_north-Italian 0.4
    Amerindian_Kennewick 0.2
    BA_Hungary_BR2 0.2
    BA_Hungary_RISE371 0.2
    BA_Unetice_Germany_I0117 0.2
    CL47_Alpine 0.2
    DA87_Kazakhstan_Kimak 0.2
    EMA_Alpine_STR_535 0.2
    EMA_Greek_STR_300 0.2
    EMA_north-Italian_NW_54 0.2
    I1767_Beaker_Britain 0.2
    I1767_EarlyBronze_Age_Briton 0.2
    I1979_Beaker_North_Italy 0.2
    I2298_published_Tanzania_Pemba_600BP 0.2
    MN_Germany_I0807 0.2
    N_Germany_I0048 0.2
    N_Hungary_NE2 0.2
    N_Hungary_NE3 0.2
    SZ37_Greek-Italian 0.2
    SZ38_Longobard 0.2
    SZ42_Longobard 0.2
    TAF009_Iberomaurasian 0.2
    ela001_South_Africa_400BP 0.2






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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    @Stuvanè @Angela

    I think that “Your nMonte3 oracle results
    nMonte3 calculator Eurogenes K36 of yourdnaportal.com” is a cool calculator, but in my particular case, it takes a little more effort in interpreting the results so as not to come to the hasty conclusion that I am an Italo-descendant and not a Luso-descendant :)

    Hugs dear friends.



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    Population Distance
    EMA_north-Italian_FN_2 1.094853
    CL94_Iberian 1.426082
    CL36_north-Italian 1.45807
    BA_Hungary_RISE373 1.583685
    CL57_north-Italian 1.657397
    SZ43_north-Italian 1.663955
    CL23_north-Italian 1.762547
    SZ45_Pannonian 1.788929

    Population percentages

    Population Value
    EMA_north-Italian_FN_2 45.4
    I3578_EMA_Andalusia 14
    BA_Hungary_RISE373 8.4
    CL57_north-Italian 5.6
    CL36_north-Italian 4.8
    SZ43_north-Italian 4
    BA_Hungary_RISE247 1.8
    BA_Hungary_RISE374 1.4
    MN_Germany_I0560 1.2
    SZ18_Pannonian 1
    BA_Hungary_RISE480 0.8
    EMA_Balkan_AED_125 0.8
    MA2197_Anatolia_IA 0.8
    N_Greece_Revenia5 0.6
    N_Hungary_NE4 0.6
    N_Sweden_Gokhem5 0.6
    i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD 0.6
    BA_I9041_Mycenaean 0.4
    CL121__north-Italian 0.4
    CL63_Alpine 0.4
    CL94_Iberian 0.4
    CWC_Denmark_RISE61 0.4
    EMA_Alpine_STR_328 0.4
    N_Sweden_Gokhem4 0.4
    SZ28_north-Italian 0.4
    Amerindian_Kennewick 0.2
    BA_Hungary_BR2 0.2
    BA_Hungary_RISE371 0.2
    BA_Unetice_Germany_I0117 0.2
    CL47_Alpine 0.2
    DA87_Kazakhstan_Kimak 0.2
    EMA_Alpine_STR_535 0.2
    EMA_Greek_STR_300 0.2
    EMA_north-Italian_NW_54 0.2
    I1767_Beaker_Britain 0.2
    I1767_EarlyBronze_Age_Briton 0.2
    I1979_Beaker_North_Italy 0.2
    I2298_published_Tanzania_Pemba_600BP 0.2
    MN_Germany_I0807 0.2
    N_Germany_I0048 0.2
    N_Hungary_NE2 0.2
    N_Hungary_NE3 0.2
    SZ37_Greek-Italian 0.2
    SZ38_Longobard 0.2
    SZ42_Longobard 0.2
    TAF009_Iberomaurasian 0.2
    ela001_South_Africa_400BP 0.2





    @Duarte,

    In fact the matter is curious :) , but sifting through several previous posts I notice that you are not the only person of Iberian ancestry who has similarity to these medieval samples of northern Italy (of which I have not yet understood much and I wonder if there is around some publications on the subject).
    The hypothesis I put forward is that it may be some individual not dissimilar to certain samples of today in northern Italy (Bergamo in particular), also used in Gedmatch calculators, in whose ancestral components the "Atlantic" quota is abundant and thus become almost "facsimiles" of the ancient Iberians

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    Here is mine:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    @Duarte,

    In fact the matter is curious :) , but sifting through several previous posts I notice that you are not the only person of Iberian ancestry who has similarity to these medieval samples of northern Italy (of which I have not yet understood much and I wonder if there is around some publications on the subject).
    The hypothesis I put forward is that it may be some individual not dissimilar to certain samples of today in northern Italy (Bergamo in particular), also used in Gedmatch calculators, in whose ancestral components the "Atlantic" quota is abundant and thus become almost "facsimiles" of the ancient Iberians
    You are right @ Stuvanè. One of the things I learned reading the Eupedia threads is that there is some genetic overlap between Northern Italians and Iberians. Good thing I am now instructed about this. The report presented by LM Genetics is quite complete and even displays the results of an nMonte3 calculator that they consider highly speculative and that I present below as a mere curiosity. I endorse the caution they made, since if I were to consider the results presented literally I would throw away all the effort that I have done to comprove my main ancestry as Portuguese. LOLOL. Big hug dear friend. :)


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    K36 Ancient



    ... on a need to know basis ...

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    Omit the long non important results, ... ‘cause of Reverse Data Engineering (figuring out pre-oracle results, or partial Raw-Data / SNPs by using the numbers of the results (breach of privacy)
    Last edited by Salento; 15-08-19 at 06:43.

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    Fathers mtdna T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna T1a1e
    Sons mtdna K1a4o
    Mum paternal line R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
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    ... on a need to know basis ...

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    where is this program ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    where is this program ?
    K36 with Ancient Genome Oracle

    yourdnaportal.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    K36 with Ancient Genome Oracle

    yourdnaportal.com

    Thanks I lost everything when my old PC died......got a new one....so fast it loads before i even sit down

    Closest population distances

    Population Distance
    EMA_north-Italian_NW_54 1.197928
    CL36_north-Italian 1.237396
    CL57_north-Italian 1.330768
    SZ28_north-Italian 1.438457
    SZ43_north-Italian 1.541763
    CL63_Alpine 1.577491
    SZ37_Greek-Italian 1.615911
    BA_Hungary_BR2 1.63093

    ............................................


    Population
    Percentage
    Amerindian
    0.00%
    Siberian
    0.00%
    Euro Hunter-Gatherer
    41.13%
    Oceanian
    0.63%
    Sub-Saharan
    0.04%
    Southeast Asian
    0.00%
    Linearbandkeramik
    41.01%
    South-Central Asian
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