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I confess I still didn't "digest" the results posted here yet, including my own. I saw them all very briefly. I'll try to do it when I find more time.Originally Posted by Angela
As for the cimbri, well, my guess is that I haven't inherited too much from them, 'cause they're too far. That's why I talked about it as a "factoid" in another thread. :)
The cimbra was my father's 2nd great-grandmother. Maybe half cimbra, because I'm not sure about her mother, while her father certainly was cimbro.
Last edited by Regio X; 11-04-19 at 14:14.
I posted the 23andme v4, I should have specified that.
I chose the v4 because the v5 missed the Ostrogoths too. :)
That's a really tiny distance for such an ancient sample - crazy. Are you from north-eastern Italy?
Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
1. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (3.809)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (6.157)
3. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (6.232)
4. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (7.404)
5. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (8.294)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.4)
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.407)
8. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (10.86)
9. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.04)
10. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (11.04)
11. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.52)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.61)
13. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.2)
14. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (13.33)
15. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.8)
16. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (13.82)
17. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.56)
18. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (14.88)
19. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (15.24)
20. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (16.34)
Your closest genetic modern populations...
1. North_Italian (7.641)
2. Spanish_Cataluna (9.274)
3. Spanish_Extremadura (9.600)
4. Spanish_Murcia (9.807)
5. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
Looks like northern Italy and the western Balkans were settled by very similar BA populations.
Yep, Northeastern mainly (in ancestry). The exception is my father's paternal grandmother, from Mantova province, Lombardy.
Perhaps I inherited much of their "Illyrian side" and became closer to Illyrians compared to them. :)
It looks just an Oracle, then they must have been using Admixture...
Last edited by Regio X; 11-04-19 at 01:52.
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Can someone explain to me what these genetic distances are?
The smaller the Number, the closer you are related.
From the website:
Genetic distance measures how close you are to a given sample.
10 means this is your ancient ancestry
20 means this is part of your ancestral link
30 means possibly related to your ancestry
Thanks for the information. I find it hard to believe I'm that closely related to those ancient populations. Some of you are related to much older populations, so those distances make sense. So taking those numbers into account, I'm directly descended from those dirty barbarians. We're to blame for the Dark Ages. Will I need to make reparations for Rome?!
I assume those archaeogentic matches are from grave sites or archaeological discoveries in the region? It's interesting that my closest match is a "Pict" and I've associated those with ancient Scotland but this site is in northern Italy per the map. What gives??
Your closest Ancient populations
Longobard + Saxon (3.065)
Celt + Longobard (3.315)
Longobard (5.104)
Celt (6.764)
Saxon (7.239)
Your closest Archaeogenetic matches
1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83
2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92
3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383
4. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15
5. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4
6. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6
7. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18
8. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown
9. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3
10. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875
11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12
12. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146
13. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14
14. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145
15. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249
16. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23
17. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84
18. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255
19. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4
20. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2
The rest of my family gets almost the same exact results as me. Including my mother and father, who have a map almost identical to mine. With some different samples of Hellenic Romans, Romans, etc. But are in the same general grouping.
@Salento, they get a similar complete archaeological map to the ones you have.
Last edited by Jovialis; 11-04-19 at 12:18.
Dear matty.
The Pict people was celts that lived to the north of the rivers Forth and Clyde, and spoke the Pictish language, which was closely related to the Celtic Brittonic language spoken by the Britons who lived to the south of them.
After the Roman conquest of Britain in the 1st century, a Romano-British culture emerged, and Latin and British Vulgar Latin coexisted with Brittonic. During and after the Roman era, the Britons lived throughout Britain. Their relationship with the Picts, who lived north of the Firth of Forth, has been the subject of much discussion, though most scholars now accept that the Pictish language was related to Common Brittonic, rather than a separate Celtic language (Reference: English Wikipedia).
We can especulat that this ancient pict man may be related to Romanized Britons who must have passed through the northwest of Italy, I do not Know :)
They must run the user's and ancient's data in a certain calculator and then set the distances based on the differences for each cluster, as a common Oracle. Just a guess.
While it may provide clues on real ancestry or shared ancestry, in my opinion it should not be taken too literally.
Here is mine
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In the Collegno graveyard there were people who were more Celtic like than Longobard like. They might be descendants of people who were picked up along the Longobard journey from northern Germany. Picts are also Celts. That's why this company chose that name. I don't think it was necessarily a wise choice. It just confuses people.
Non si fa il proprio dovere perchè qualcuno ci dica grazie, lo si fa per principio, per se stessi, per la propria dignità. Oriana Fallaci
In a general sense we could represent the Apulian's genetic makeup.
As I have in common similarities on the maps, your closest relatives are definitely Great People, Very Smart, and Really Good-Looking. :)
@matty74 as Reparation goes, you should take into account that those Gladiators in your results weren’t the beneficiaries of freedom (you know what I mean).
@Duarte imho:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post557126
This is me. I'm of full northern italian ancestry. Question: might the scythian "ancestry" be real somehow?
Your closest Ancient populations...
Gallo-Roman + Roman (2.919)
Roman (4.68)
Scythian + Roman (4.763)
Gallo-Roman (7.774)
Scythian (10.0)
Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
1. Central Roman (590 AD) (4.68)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (4.79)
3. Central Roman (670 AD) (5.554)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (7.774)
5. Central Roman (590 AD) (9.168)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.941)
7. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (10.0)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.07)
9. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (11.0)
Nullum magnum ingenium mixtura dementiae fuit.
I got it too, although not as close a score as yours. I'm not sure what to make of it. It also showed up on Kurd's ancient calculator. I think at that time I concluded that it might just be a trace of a slightly more "eastern" steppe strain.
I decided to compare their results (modern pops) with GedMatch's. Mine, father's, mother's... You all can do the same. And guess what? Their Oracle resembles the EUtest V2 K15 Oracle. Just the numbers are slightly different, also because the references may differ a bit. Still...
So it must function roughly the way I described.
Anyway, using existing tools or not, they must have had a lot of work. The page is very well built, and the test is useful. It'll be probably improved soon, as more ancient DNAs are available. Congrats to the authors!
I really do like this calculator too, I hope they do add to it as time goes on. I really appreciate the way they link the specific samples back to the papers they come from.
Thanks Salento 😀 👍
This is what I got:
My closest ancient population :
Hellenic Roman + Illyrian (9.957)
Hellenic Roman + Roman (11.83)
Roman (13.75)
Hellenic Roman (14.14)
Illyrian (14.23)
My closest archaeogenetics matches:
1. Medieval Tyrolean (590 A.D.) (13.58)
2. Hidden
3. Hellenic Roman (590 A.D) (14.14 )
4. Hidden
5. Thracian Bulgaria (450 B.C.) (14.23)
6. Hidden
7.Cisalpine Gaul (590 A.D) (14. 72)
8. Hidden
9. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 A.D.) (15.17)
10-20. Hidden
My closest genetic modern population:
1.Greek_Thessaly (12.66)
2. Tuscan (13.61)
3. Macedonian (14.26)
4. North Italian (14.73)
5-8. Hidden
(In the map I got also a couple of Scythian dots)
I agree. I would never have attempted to compare my genome with all of these ancient samples.
I have to say it's a little strange for me to think that I'm closer genetically to an ancient sample from Roman Pannonia in 590 AD, than to any modern Italian population. My best scores are usually a 4 or a 5 to Bergamo and Tuscany, or Tuscany and Bergamo, depending on the calculator, and here I got a 3.614 to a single Roman sample. Even with the Piedmont/Ligurian sample, my score is 4.73 and everything else is higher (MDLP K23b).
I don't know if this is the same Eurogenes calculator you're discussing, but these are my scores:
#Population (source)Distance1Tuscan5.032North_Italian6.053Italian_Abruzzo10.05 4West_Sicilian10.515Spanish_Murcia11.936Spanish_Ex tremadura11.977Spanish_Andalucia11.988Greek12.419P ortuguese12.5610Greek_Thessaly12.711Spanish_Castil la_Y_Leon12.8912Spanish_Cataluna12.9813Spanish_Val encia13.0114East_Sicilian13.6115Central_Greek13.64 16Spanish_Galicia13.7817Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.9218Bulgarian14.2319South_Italian14.8620Romania n14.91
I'm pretty sure the higher Sicilian than Southern Italian scores are because of the "Lombard", actually all of Northwestern Italy, migration to Sicily in the Middle Ages to "reclaim" it for Latin Christianity.
My DNA Land results match the Mytrueancestry results
AncestryDNA
Yeah my results are pretty close.
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