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[Duarte]

News results for me

7. Iron Age Catalan (620 BC) (12.63) - I12640
12. Celtiberian Northern Spain (280 BC) (14.42) - I3759
15. Celtiberian Northern Spain (280 BC) (14.59) - I3758
28. Iron Age Catalan (680 BC) (16.61) - I12641
31. Iron Age Catalan (440 BC) (17.36) - I12877
49. Celtiberian Northern Spain (350 BC) (20.54) - I3757
52. Iron Age Catalan (600 BC) (21.04) - I12642

Thanks for the information @ Carlos. These samples appear to me as well. Celtiberians? It is quite logical in our case
My new results. New changes in "Deep Dive"

 

[Carlos]

I have been forced. I had gotten 40,000 samples of the Catalan iron breaking all my ceramics and taking too many parties so you could not see the interconnections between Europeans that was what many were wishing you not to see, but with money everything is possible.

 

[Duarte]

I have been forced. I had gotten 40,000 samples of the Catalan iron breaking all my ceramics and taking too many parties so you could not see the interconnections between Europeans that was what many were wishing you not to see, but with money everything is possible.

@Carlos
You uploaded to the Zeus level, which allows the display of up to 100 ancient samples on the Archaeological Europe Map. Very cool, but I'll continue on the Caesar level. I'm not willing to pay $100 to turns me a Zeus. LOL. Congratulations dear friend.


In my case (Caesar level), the changes in "Deep Dive" never stop. Now, almost all my matches are in Iberia. The list of old samples has also changed. In the last list my top 60 stopped at Bell Beaker Poland (22.49). Now my top 60 stopped at Italy Bell Beaker (21.0), which in the previous list was sample number 54. Six old samples were suppressed of the top 60. Now, in the new list, are eight samples of "Iron Age Catalan", six more samples of this ancient population than in the previous list.

 

[Duarte]

That's the most I can get with my 60 samples of the Caesar level. My neolithic and Bronze Age has disappeared from the my European Ancestral Timelapse maps (now, only maps from the Late Bronze Age and beyond are displayed).

 

[kingjohn]

me after the update now i have selvecus
Analysis Summary

• Ancient Populations
• Ancient Samples
• Deep Dive
• Modern Populations

Your closest Ancient populations...

Seleucid

Hellenic Roman​

Seleucid EmpireHellenic RomansIn the 8th century BC (before the Roman Republic), Greeks began a large colonization drive to southern Italy to populate Sicily, Campania, Calabria, Apulia and Bascilicata. The romans referred to this region which includes the boot of Italy as Magna Graecia (Greater Greece). This large scale migration was underway by the time of the Trojan War and lasted several centuries. The settlers brought Hellenic civilization which had a lasting impact on the culture of Ancient Rome. The Hellenic civilization interacted with the native Italic civilization. The Greek cities were one by one absorbed into the Roman Republic starting with Neapolis in 327 BC. Sicily was conqureed by Rome during the first Punic War against Carthage.
Sicily was initially populated by Phoenicians but then heavily colonized and settled by Greeks. Syracuse (Sicily) became the most populous greek city in the world by the 3rd century BC. The population of the island remained mostly unchanged.

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RomansThe founding of mighty Rome starts with the story of Romulus and Remus. Whether they were suckled by a she-wolf as infants or descended from the Trojan War hero Aeneas, the Latins who settled Rome had their crude dwellings tranformed into a true city by their Etruscan overlords. The Etruscans were master builders who gave Rome its architecture, gods, and gladiators. After overthrowing their conquerors, the Roman Republic expanded quickly to incorporate the Latins, Etruscans (originally from Anatolia), Greek settlers to the south and Gauls to the north. Republic gave way to Empire and after a thousand years it was time for Rome to face its end. Although numerous invaders arrived on the scene as the empire weakened and crumbled, the wars with the Ostrogoths from 535-554 AD had a lasting impact that left Italy devastated and depopulated.

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Seleucid + Hellenic Roman (6.842)
Seleucid + Roman (7.685)
Hellenic Roman (11.51)
Seleucid (13.07)
Roman (14.66)



bronze age
https://i.imgur.com/XNKSHuy.png



iron age
https://i.imgur.com/4ZdRlAR.png
Previous



but i still close by total autosomal to hellenic romans

https://i.imgur.com/xN0scd1.png

 

[matadworf]

me after the update now i have selvecus
Analysis Summary

• Ancient Populations
• Ancient Samples
• Deep Dive
• Modern Populations

Your closest Ancient populations...

Seleucid

Hellenic Roman​

Seleucid EmpireHellenic RomansIn the 8th century BC (before the Roman Republic), Greeks began a large colonization drive to southern Italy to populate Sicily, Campania, Calabria, Apulia and Bascilicata. The romans referred to this region which includes the boot of Italy as Magna Graecia (Greater Greece). This large scale migration was underway by the time of the Trojan War and lasted several centuries. The settlers brought Hellenic civilization which had a lasting impact on the culture of Ancient Rome. The Hellenic civilization interacted with the native Italic civilization. The Greek cities were one by one absorbed into the Roman Republic starting with Neapolis in 327 BC. Sicily was conqureed by Rome during the first Punic War against Carthage.
Sicily was initially populated by Phoenicians but then heavily colonized and settled by Greeks. Syracuse (Sicily) became the most populous greek city in the world by the 3rd century BC. The population of the island remained mostly unchanged.

---

RomansThe founding of mighty Rome starts with the story of Romulus and Remus. Whether they were suckled by a she-wolf as infants or descended from the Trojan War hero Aeneas, the Latins who settled Rome had their crude dwellings tranformed into a true city by their Etruscan overlords. The Etruscans were master builders who gave Rome its architecture, gods, and gladiators. After overthrowing their conquerors, the Roman Republic expanded quickly to incorporate the Latins, Etruscans (originally from Anatolia), Greek settlers to the south and Gauls to the north. Republic gave way to Empire and after a thousand years it was time for Rome to face its end. Although numerous invaders arrived on the scene as the empire weakened and crumbled, the wars with the Ostrogoths from 535-554 AD had a lasting impact that left Italy devastated and depopulated.

---

Seleucid + Hellenic Roman (6.842)
Seleucid + Roman (7.685)
Hellenic Roman (11.51)
Seleucid (13.07)
Roman (14.66)



bronze age
https://i.imgur.com/XNKSHuy.png



iron age
https://i.imgur.com/4ZdRlAR.png
Previous



but i still close by total autosomal to hellenic romans

https://i.imgur.com/xN0scd1.png

Any idea the origin of the Seleucid sample?

 

[Carlos]

iron Catalan It goes out to the mayor and even the deputy mayor. What is this? Does that era represent the entire Iberian Peninsula? What province are these results from?

 

[kingjohn]

i wish to see his gedmatch kit number he is dated to 165 BC

 

[matadworf]

i wish to see his gedmatch kit number he is dated to 165 BC

If he's ruling elite probable Macedonian Greek?

 

[Duarte]

iron Catalan It goes out to the mayor and even the deputy mayor. What is this? Does that era represent the entire Iberian Peninsula? What province are these results from?

Ancient individuals from the Iberian Peninsula included in this study

Ind ID (_d, only sequences with aDNA damage were used for analysis)

Colaborator ID

Skeletal element

UDG treatment for each library

Autosomal SNPs covered

Genetic sex

mtDNA

Y-chr

Kinship

Include in genome-wide analyses

Pop name (NE_Iberia, northeast Iberia; SE_Iberia, southeast Iberia; NW_Iberia, northwest Iberia; SW_Iberia, southwest Iberia; N_Iberia, northern Iberia; C_Iberia, central Iberia; E_Iberia, eastern Iberia; Meso, Mesolithic; EN, Early Neolithic; MLN, Middle-Late Neolithic; CA, Copper Age; Stp, steppe ancestry; Afr, African ancestry; BA, Bronze Age; IA, Iron Age; Hel, Hellenistic; RomP, Roman Period; c.; century; .SG, shotgun data; out, genetic outlier)

Region

Cultural affiliation

Date (Direct radiocarbon date on the individual calibrated at 2 sigma or date range based on the archaeological context)

Site

Latitude

Longitude

Country

Publication

Collaborator

I8213

10-SU-28-D1-E-60

tooth

half,half

12213

F

K2a

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1)

NE

500–400 BCE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I8211

10-SU-28-D1-E-96

tooth

half,half

29725

M

HV0+195

R

Yes

NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1)

NE

500–450 BCE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I8212

10-SU-28-D1-E-46

tooth

half,half

35129

M

H27+16093

R

Yes

NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1)

NE

500–350 BCE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I8210

10-SU-28-D1-E-91

tooth

half,half

63467

M

U5b3

R1b1a1a2

Yes

NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1)

NE

500–350 BCE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I8214

10-SU-28-D1-E-82

tooth

half,half

530342

F

H3+152

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1)

NE

400–350 BCE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I8209

10-SU-28-D1-E-99

tooth

half,half

868050

M

U1a1a

R1b1a1a2a1a2

Yes

NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1)

NE

450–400 BCE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I8340

10-SU-28-D1-E-63

tooth

half

25719

F

K1a+195

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1)

NE

500–350 BCE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I8341

10-SU-28-D1-E-62

tooth

half

48396

M

H1

R1b1a1a2a1a2

Yes

NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1)

NE

500–350 BCE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I8344

10-SU-28-D1-E-74

tooth

half

38534

M

H3

R1b1a1a

Yes

NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1)

NE

500–400 BCE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I8215

10-SU-28-D1-E-76

tooth

half,half

829948

F

HV11

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries2)

NE

400–350 BCE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I8204

12-SU-33-A4-600

tooth

half,half

131452

F

H1e

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_Hel_out

NE

300–100 BCE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I8206

12-SU-33-A4-T680

tooth

half,half

425016

M

H7a1

R1b1a1a2a1a2

Yes

NE_Iberia_Hel (Empúries1)

NE

300–100 BCE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I8203

02-SU-33-A4-T1058

tooth

half,half

524097

F

H13a1a1

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_Hel (Empúries1)

NE

300–100 BCE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I8205

12-SU-33-A4-180

tooth

half,half

72446

M

H14a2c

J

Yes

NE_Iberia_Hel (Empúries2)

NE

300–100 BCE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I8208

12-SU-33-A4-T510

tooth

half,half

385525

M

H33

J

Yes

NE_Iberia_Hel (Empúries2)

NE

370–204 cal BCE (2220±20 BP, PSUAMS-4277)

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I8202

02-SU-33-A4-T1077

tooth

half,half

113554

M

K2b1

R1b1a1a2a1a

Yes

NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries1)

NE

100–300 CE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I8339

10-SU-28-D1-E-8

tooth

half

270050

F

K1a+195

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries1)

NE

100–200 CE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I10865

10-SU-28-D1-E-37

petrous

half

40795

M

U5a1a1

HIJK(xI,xJ)

Yes

NE_Iberia_RomP_out

NE

100–200 CE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I10866

10-SU-28-D1-E-20

petrous

half

799391

F

K1b2a

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_RomP_out

NE

43 cal BCE–51 cal CE (2005±15 BP, PSUAMS-5281)

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I8338

10-SU-28-D1-E-15

tooth

half

45674

F

HV0+195

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries2)

NE

100–200 CE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I8475

10-SU-28-D1-E-16

tooth

half

551105

F

T2b

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_RomP_out

NE

100–200 CE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I8216

10-SU-28-D1-E-35

tooth

half,half

42507

M

H1

J

Yes

NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries2)

NE

57–208 cal CE (1895±20 BP, PSUAMS-4212)

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I8474

10-SU-28-D1-E-47

tooth

half

46847

F

U5a1a2b

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries1)

NE

100–200 CE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I7158

MGA'92 UE 108

tooth

half

5395

M

T2b11

..

No (Low coverage)

NE_Iberia_RomP

NE

200–500 CE

Mas Gassol, Alcover, Tarragona, Catalonia

41,274

1,178

Spain

This study

Josep Maria Vergès

I6492

MGA'92 UE 105

tooth

half

9030

M

T2b11

R1b1a1a2a1a2c

No (Low coverage)

NE_Iberia_RomP

NE

200–500 CE

Mas Gassol, Alcover, Tarragona, Catalonia

41,274

1,178

Spain

This study

Josep Maria Vergès

I6490

MGA'92-Resta II

tooth

half

87409

F

K1c2

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_RomP

NE

200–500 CE

Mas Gassol, Alcover, Tarragona, Catalonia

41,274

1,178

Spain

This study

Josep Maria Vergès

I6491

MGA'92-Resta III

tooth

half

20130

M

H4a1a

R

No (Contamination)

NE_Iberia_RomP

NE

200–500 CE

Mas Gassol, Alcover, Tarragona, Catalonia

41,274

1,178

Spain

This study

Josep Maria Vergès

I8343

05-SMG-8075

tooth

half

93034

M

J1c2c2

R1b1a1a2

Yes

NE_Iberia_Late_RomP

NE

500–600 CE

Empúries, Girona, Catalonia

42,1333

3,1083

Spain

This study

Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda

I3778

T-269

tooth

half

28884

M

H4a1

P~

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES

NE

600–700 CE

L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia

41,981377

2,309824

Spain

This study

Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal

I3776

T-267

tooth

half

31966

F

U5a1i1

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES

NE

600–700 CE

L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia

41,981377

2,309824

Spain

This study

Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal

I3866

T-264

tooth

half

102647

M

U5a1b1

R1b1

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES

NE

600–700 CE

L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia

41,981377

2,309824

Spain

This study

Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal

I3775

T-266

bone (phalanx)

half

117254

M

H3t

R1b1a1

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES

NE

600–700 CE

L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia

41,981377

2,309824

Spain

This study

Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal

I3777

T-268

bone (phalanx)

half

325993

F

V17

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES

NE

600–700 CE

L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia

41,981377

2,309824

Spain

This study

Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal

I7674

T-143

tooth

half

27705

F

H42

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES

NE

785–801 CE [between conquest of Girona and conquest of Barcelona]

L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia

41,981377

2,309824

Spain

This study

Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal

I7672

T-120-1

tooth

half

57994

M

T2h

R1b1a1a2a1a

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES

NE

785–801 CE [between conquest of Girona and conquest of Barcelona]

L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia

41,981377

2,309824

Spain

This study

Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal

I7676

T-191

tooth

half

70706

F

U5a1c

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES

NE

785–801 CE [between conquest of Girona and conquest of Barcelona]

L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia

41,981377

2,309824

Spain

This study

Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal

I7675

T-194

tooth

half

125123

M

U3a1

R1b1a1a2a1a

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES

NE

785–801 CE [between conquest of Girona and conquest of Barcelona]

L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia

41,981377

2,309824

Spain

This study

Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal

I7673

T-120-2

tooth

half

297805

F

W1+119

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES

NE

785–801 CE [between conquest of Girona and conquest of Barcelona]

L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia

41,981377

2,309824

Spain

This study

Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal

I12029

PH'06-1144

tooth

half

3769

M

U5a1a1d

BT

No (Low coverage)

NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL

NE

500–600 CE

Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia

42,01656

2,814897

Spain

This study

Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó

I12030

PH'06-1169

tooth

half

30509

F

J1c3g

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL

NE

500–600 CE

Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia

42,01656

2,814897

Spain

This study

Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó

I12031

PH'06-1172

tooth

half

562386

M

H1e2

E1b1b1a1b1a

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL

NE

500–600 CE

Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia

42,01656

2,814897

Spain

This study

Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó

I12032

PH'06-1183

tooth

half

214998

M

C4a1a+195

R1b1a1a2a1

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL

NE

500–600 CE

Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia

42,01656

2,814897

Spain

This study

Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó

I12033

PH'06-1192

tooth

half

38668

M

V

I

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL

NE

500–600 CE

Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia

42,01656

2,814897

Spain

This study

Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó

I12034

PH'06-1207

tooth

half

504755

F

W6a

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL

NE

500–600 CE

Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia

42,01656

2,814897

Spain

This study

Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó

I12162

PH'06-1163

tooth

half

434443

M

U5b1b1d

J2a

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL

NE

500–600 CE

Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia

42,01656

2,814897

Spain

This study

Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó

I12163

PH'06-1166

tooth

half

416220

F

J2b1a+16311

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL

NE

500–600 CE

Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia

42,01656

2,814897

Spain

This study

Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó

I12164

PH'06-1157

tooth

half

43000

F

C4a1a+195

..

1st_rel_I12032

No (kinship)

NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL

NE

500–600 CE

Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia

42,01656

2,814897

Spain

This study

Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó

I10851

SJR'15-1669

tooth

half

55880

F

H3

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE

NE

887–1013 cal CE (1100±30 BP, Beta-458691)

Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia

42,0507

2,867

Spain

This study

Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó

I10852

SJR'14-1670

tooth

half

304635

F

H6c

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE

NE

973–1150 cal CE (1010±30 BP, Beta-458692)

Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia

42,0507

2,867

Spain

This study

Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó

I10853

SJR'15-1796

tooth

half

247959

M

U4a1

E1b1b1a1b1

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE

NE

989–1153 cal CE (990±30 BP, Beta-448950)

Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia

42,0507

2,867

Spain

This study

Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó

I10854

SJR'15-1820

tooth

half

4221

M

H1n+146

BT

No (Low coverage)

NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE

NE

973–1150 cal CE (1010±30 BP, Beta-448952)

Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia

42,0507

2,867

Spain

This study

Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó

I10892

SJR'15-1846

tooth

half

547168

F

H1e1a3

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE

NE

770–1200 CE (based on dates in the same context)

Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia

42,0507

2,867

Spain

This study

Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó

I10895

SJR'15-1828

tooth

half

631258

M

H1ap1

R1b1a1a2a1a1c

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE

NE

777–981 cal CE (1140±30 BP, Beta-448953)

Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia

42,0507

2,867

Spain

This study

Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó

I10897

SJR'17-2099

tooth

half

114230

F

I1c

..

Yes

NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE

NE

1033–1204 cal CE (910±30 BP, Beta-477258)

Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia

42,0507

2,867

Spain

This study

Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó

 

[Angela]

me after the update now i have selvecus
Analysis Summary

• Ancient Populations
• Ancient Samples
• Deep Dive
• Modern Populations

Your closest Ancient populations...

Seleucid

Hellenic Roman​

Seleucid EmpireHellenic RomansIn the 8th century BC (before the Roman Republic), Greeks began a large colonization drive to southern Italy to populate Sicily, Campania, Calabria, Apulia and Bascilicata. The romans referred to this region which includes the boot of Italy as Magna Graecia (Greater Greece). This large scale migration was underway by the time of the Trojan War and lasted several centuries. The settlers brought Hellenic civilization which had a lasting impact on the culture of Ancient Rome. The Hellenic civilization interacted with the native Italic civilization. The Greek cities were one by one absorbed into the Roman Republic starting with Neapolis in 327 BC. Sicily was conqureed by Rome during the first Punic War against Carthage.
Sicily was initially populated by Phoenicians but then heavily colonized and settled by Greeks. Syracuse (Sicily) became the most populous greek city in the world by the 3rd century BC. The population of the island remained mostly unchanged.

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RomansThe founding of mighty Rome starts with the story of Romulus and Remus. Whether they were suckled by a she-wolf as infants or descended from the Trojan War hero Aeneas, the Latins who settled Rome had their crude dwellings tranformed into a true city by their Etruscan overlords. The Etruscans were master builders who gave Rome its architecture, gods, and gladiators. After overthrowing their conquerors, the Roman Republic expanded quickly to incorporate the Latins, Etruscans (originally from Anatolia), Greek settlers to the south and Gauls to the north. Republic gave way to Empire and after a thousand years it was time for Rome to face its end. Although numerous invaders arrived on the scene as the empire weakened and crumbled, the wars with the Ostrogoths from 535-554 AD had a lasting impact that left Italy devastated and depopulated.

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Seleucid + Hellenic Roman (6.842)
Seleucid + Roman (7.685)
Hellenic Roman (11.51)
Seleucid (13.07)
Roman (14.66)



bronze age
https://i.imgur.com/XNKSHuy.png



iron age
https://i.imgur.com/4ZdRlAR.png
Previous



but i still close by total autosomal to hellenic romans

https://i.imgur.com/xN0scd1.png

I don't know where you're getting this stuff but there are some WHOPPING errors in it.

Sicily was NOT originally populated by Phoenicians. There were a couple of Phoenician settlements in the northwestern tip of Sicily. Later on, Sicily, like Spain and other areas, was conquered by the Carthaginians whom the Romans eventually kicked out. There is no indication of widespread Carthaginian settlement, just lots of mercenaries from God knows where, like all mercenary armies, including that of Hannibal.

Leaked ancient dna indicates the Etruscans DID NOT come from Anatolia. Their closest genetic relatives are North Italians, Spanish and perhaps southern French.

 

[kingjohn]

i think the Hellenistic dude my true ancestry use is kit :

KY5050046

MA_ 2197 from this paper
https://science.sciencemag.org/cont...9.1555091691.1562518884-1176882268.1562518884

in gedmatch eurogenes k13 he cluster with greek thesally that is inline with mainland greek origin or macedonian greek
the distance is huge but the most close modern population is mainland north greek

Kit Num: KY5050046
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Gedmatch.Com

Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	West_Med	36.32
2	East_Med	19.32
3	Baltic	16.88
4	North_Atlantic	15.23
5	West_Asian	8.90
6	Amerindian	2.36

Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 18.074099

 

[Archetype0ne]

I don't know where you're getting this stuff but there are some WHOPPING errors in it.

Sicily was NOT originally populated by Phoenicians. There were a couple of Phoenician settlements in the northwestern tip of Sicily. Later on, Sicily, like Spain and other areas, was conquered by the Carthaginians whom the Romans eventually kicked out. There is no indication of widespread Carthaginian settlement, just lots of mercenaries from God knows where, like all mercenary armies, including that of Hannibal.

Leaked ancient dna indicates the Etruscans DID NOT come from Anatolia. Their closest genetic relatives are North Italians, Spanish and perhaps southern French.

Could I please see this study? Cause I am very curious and at the same time skeptical. At least the ruling class in Etruria had some connection with BA Anatolians. I am not denying them being closest to North Italians, Spanish and French however.

 

[Pax Augusta]

Could I please see this study? Cause I am very curious and at the same time skeptical. At least the ruling class in Etruria had some connection with BA Anatolians. I am not denying them being closest to North Italians, Spanish and French however.

We have this PCA, from an academic paper. Any connection between the ruling class in Etruria and BA Anatolians is unproven and not supported by archeology.

Swedish Neolitich (Skoglund et al. 2012)

 

[Angela]

Could I please see this study? Cause I am very curious and at the same time skeptical. At least the ruling class in Etruria had some connection with BA Anatolians. I am not denying them being closest to North Italians, Spanish and French however.

Pax has provided you with a PCA which has been known about for a few years, but the paper wasn't published.

However, the leak I was talking about is from a soon to be published paper with some Etruscan and Ancient Roman samples. As I said above, the leak says they are North Italian like, North Spanish like, perhaps Southern French like. They're not Anatolian like or even Greek like.

For complete certainty we obviously have to wait to see the paper, but the leaks are very detailed.

As to the elite, at least, being from the Aegean or western Anatolia, to my knowledge all the Etruscan samples are from "elite" graves. That's how we know they're Etruscans: there are grave goods like pots, statuary, etc. or even sarcophagi and wall paintings.

So, if these elite Etruscans are North Italian like, they didn't immigrate from western Anatolia, which is what archaeologists have been insisting upon forever.

See: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...dern-samples/page8?highlight=Etruscan+samples

Go to page 8 and start with post number 188. That begins the discussion of the upcoming paper with a copy of the new PCA from it. The Etruscans are the purple squares. They plot near the more steppe admixed Parma Beaker sample, which is close to people like Extremadura Spanish samples, i.e. Southern Spanish. When superimposed on the modern map, a few look Iberian, some Northern Italian, one maybe French. We need more than a PCA to be sure, but they certainly didn't come from Anatolia or even Greece for that matter.

Take a look at post 232 as well.

 

[matty74]

[h=3]Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...[/h][h=6](Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)[/h]
1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83 (Click for more info)
2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92 (Click for more info)
3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383 (Click for more info)
4. St Marys Coffin Maryland (1683 AD) (5.472) - I2097 (Click for more info)
5. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) (5.603) - I2452 (Click for more info)
6. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15 (Click for more info)
7. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4 (Click for more info)
8. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (6.271) - I1767 (Click for more info)
9. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6 (Click for more info)
10. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18 (Click for more info)
11. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown (Click for more info)
12. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3 (Click for more info)
13. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) (7.271) - I2981 (Click for more info)
14. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) (7.332) - SSJ-A2 (Click for more info)
15. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875 (Click for more info)
16. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12 (Click for more info)
17. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146 (Click for more info)
18. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14 (Click for more info)
19. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) (7.732) - KNS-A1 (Click for more info)
20. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) (7.778) - I2568 (Click for more info)
21. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145 (Click for more info)
22. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249 (Click for more info)
23. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23 (Click for more info)
24. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84 (Click for more info)
25. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255 (Click for more info)
26. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) (8.11) - ORE-A1 (Click for more info)
27. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4 (Click for more info)
28. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2 (Click for more info)
29. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.148) - 97029 (Click for more info)
30. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (8.208) - Shohola (Click for more info)
31. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.313) - ALH_1 (Click for more info)
32. Icelander Late Medieval (1650 AD) (8.349) - KOV-A2 (Click for more info)
33. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) (8.39) - I5367 (Click for more info)
34. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) (8.479) - GTE-A1 (Click for more info)
35. Saxon Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) (8.512) - GRS-A1 (Click for more info)
36. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.569) - 6DRIF-3 (Click for more info)
37. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (8.625) - DA119 (Click for more info)
38. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.754) - stg021 (Click for more info)
39. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden (1100 AD) (8.781) - Sigtuna grt035 (Click for more info)
40. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.802) - SZ7 (Click for more info)
41. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden (1100 AD) (8.831) - 84035 (Click for more info)
42. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.85) - SZ22 (Click for more info)
43. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (8.853) - Hinxton 1 (Click for more info)
44. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) (8.864) - DKS-A1 (Click for more info)
45. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.935) - Sigtuna stg021 (Click for more info)
46. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.941) - SZ23 (Click for more info)
47. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (9.008) - ALH_10 (Click for more info)
48. Bell Beaker Cambridge (2075 BC) (9.023) - I3255 (Click for more info)
49. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden (1100 AD) (9.094) - 97002 (Click for more info)
50. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.114) - SZ8 (Click for more info)
51. Gaelic Child Viking Iceland (935 AD) (9.372) - YGS-B2 (Click for more info)
52. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (9.485) - SZ38 (Click for more info)
53. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (9.594) - Rise577 (Click for more info)
54. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) (9.598) - SSG-A4 (Click for more info)
55. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) (9.62) - I0112 (Click for more info)
56. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (9.788) - Hinxton HS1 (Click for more info)
57. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (9.908) - I12162 (Click for more info)
58. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.91) - SZ9 (Click for more info)
59. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (9.952) - Rise61 (Click for more info)
60. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.13) - CL93 (Click for more info)
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[Archetype0ne]

Pax has provided you with a PCA which has been known about for a few years, but the paper wasn't published.

However, the leak I was talking about is from a soon to be published paper with some Etruscan and Ancient Roman samples. As I said above, the leak says they are North Italian like, North Spanish like, perhaps Southern French like. They're not Anatolian like or even Greek like.

For complete certainty we obviously have to wait to see the paper, but the leaks are very detailed.

As to the elite, at least, being from the Aegean or western Anatolia, to my knowledge all the Etruscan samples are from "elite" graves. That's how we know they're Etruscans: there are grave goods like pots, statuary, etc. or even sarcophagi and wall paintings.

So, if these elite Etruscans are North Italian like, they didn't immigrate from western Anatolia, which is what archaeologists have been insisting upon forever.

See: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...dern-samples/page8?highlight=Etruscan+samples

Go to page 8 and start with post number 188. That begins the discussion of the upcoming paper with a copy of the new PCA from it. The Etruscans are the purple squares. They plot near the more steppe admixed Parma Beaker sample, which is close to people like Extremadura Spanish samples, i.e. Southern Spanish. When superimposed on the modern map, a few look Iberian, some Northern Italian, one maybe French. We need more than a PCA to be sure, but they certainly didn't come from Anatolia or even Greece for that matter.

Take a look at post 232 as well.

Very interesting, thanks for sharing.

 

[Salento]

Roca (archaeological site)
Mycenaeans, Messapi, ...

University of Salento, ... some of the best-preserved monumental architecture of the Bronze Age (2nd millennium BC) in Southern Italy, along with the largest set of Mycenaean pottery ever recovered west of mainland Greece.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roca_(archaeological_site)

Mycenaean Era

Northern Gate of the Messapic Walls

XVI Century Horse SPA

Difensive Towers (Old and New)

 

[torzio]

I find it interesting that in the site under north-italian........it states closest is alsace, in france then portugal then galicia spain

 

[kingjohn]

Angela I quate my true ancestery site
This there description not mine ...