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    I'm beginning to think that so many of these new exotic obscure populations contain ancient overlapping components with the mainstream.

    imho The algorithm needs to be calibrated.
    It sees a Root Component and start assigning samples with that root component at random.

    I doubt it ...

    Hopefully they'll figure out how to fix it by the next update :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    A mysterious Indo-Greek has also appeared here :)




    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Re-uploaded my DNAkit Studio Superkit. Deep dive results are a notable change with the update. Also, I get the Indo-Greek on my map as well now.





    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I'm beginning to think that so many of these new exotic obscure populations contain ancient overlapping components with the mainstream.

    imho The algorithm needs to be calibrated.
    It sees a Root Component and start assigning samples with that root component at random.

    I doubt it ...

    Hopefully they'll figure out how to fix it by the next update :)
    Guys, I think that these new "exotic obscure populations" are related to this:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Guys, I think that these new "exotic obscure populations" are related to this:



    Hugs to all, dear friends
    Thanks, Duarte. Now everything is clear.


    I just discussed it in private yesterday with Pax and other friends.


    I went to check on the paper and its supplements: he should date back to 167-46 BC, male, paternal haplogroup J1 and maternal M30b. We have investigated his autosomal analysis and in some ways he seems to be very "autochthonous" (an Iranic / Central Asian guy with some southern influence from India, we are probably talking about a Saka / eastern Scythian, more or less hellenized), however in lack of other more precise elements they rightly give a more generic indication, classifying him among the Indo-Greeks.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...1/292581-1.pdf

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior.../292581-2.xlsx


    Since it appears among the matches of several Italians, both northern and southern, and given the considerable geographical distance that separates us, it would perhaps be more correct to assume that this genetic contact is to be attributed to a more archaic predecessor, common to both Indo-Europeans projected to Asia, and to those who poured into Europe :)

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    Don't you think this is pure cheating? How many cM can be inherited after 2000 years from just one or a few individuals who lived in those times ?! Virtually zero, or just be an extremely rare coincidence of identical 0.N cM recombination, but not an inheritance from those times. This is what I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Popa Cristian View Post
    Don't you think this is pure cheating? How many cM can be inherited after 2000 years from just one or a few individuals who lived in those times ?! Virtually zero, or just be an extremely rare coincidence of identical 0.N cM recombination, but not an inheritance from those times. This is what I think.
    Remembering Tomenable contribution to this thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    It depends, Clovis Anzick-1 has very long (many cM) matches to modern Native Americans, even though he lived thousands of years ago. It has been discussed a few years ago in this thread (and such long matches with Anzick-1 were on GEDmatch, so the same methodology as with matches between modern people):

    https://forums.familytreedna.com/for...-living-people

    Quote: "you might be surprised to hear this 11,000 year old infant has some 3rd cousins living today"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Remembering Tomenable contribution to this thread:
    I have read that many complain that they do not find relationships greater than 5-10 cM with just a few other people in the databases of many hundred of thousands of people living now. ...But here everyone can find with a few people from a few dozen of people who lived ~ 2000 years ago!? It's totally unlikely.
    I still think it is good for fun and it is also for money... lol ...

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    Also, here's a useful tip for people of Germano-Celtic ancestry who don't get any Celtic tribes in their analysis. (I get Franks, Visigoths, and Saxons as my tribes, and per the useful Ancestry hack-which they've gotten rid of, sadly-I am 65% Germanic and 32% Celtic) Very few ancient Celtic tribes have Germanic admixture, while quite a few Germanic tribes, who were in the vanguard of the expansion into Celtic lands, have Celtic admixture. So this is why my first tribe is the Franks, an outer Germanic tribe in the west of their lands with decent Celtic admixture. My shared DNA sample is Bronze Age Scotland, either a cousin or an ancestor of my great-great-grandmother, a descendant of the Forbushes of Edinburgh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    Thanks, Duarte. Now everything is clear.


    I just discussed it in private yesterday with Pax and other friends.


    I went to check on the paper and its supplements: he should date back to 167-46 BC, male, paternal haplogroup J1 and maternal M30b. We have investigated his autosomal analysis and in some ways he seems to be very "autochthonous" (an Iranic / Central Asian guy with some southern influence from India, we are probably talking about a Saka / eastern Scythian, more or less hellenized), however in lack of other more precise elements they rightly give a more generic indication, classifying him among the Indo-Greeks.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...1/292581-1.pdf

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior.../292581-2.xlsx


    Since it appears among the matches of several Italians, both northern and southern, and given the considerable geographical distance that separates us, it would perhaps be more correct to assume that this genetic contact is to be attributed to a more archaic predecessor, common to both Indo-Europeans projected to Asia, and to those who poured into Europe :)
    There is something wrong with this Butkara_IA sample. Suddenly it appears as the closest ancient sample to most Bulgarians and Macedonians. He is even not a "pure" Ancient Greek or Thracian, who may have followed Alexander, but a mixture of Steppe and Indian. How about other Balkan people?

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    1. Indo-Greek Kingdom Iron Age Butkara (10 AD) ..... 11.32 (Click for more info)
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    2. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) ..... 12.59 (Click for more info)
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    5. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 16.46 (Click for more info)
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    Quote Originally Posted by eastara View Post
    There is something wrong with this Butkara_IA sample.(...)
    lol... Pakistan - India... They started jumping another horse?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastara View Post
    There is something wrong with this Butkara_IA sample. Suddenly it appears as the closest ancient sample to most Bulgarians and Macedonians. He is even not a "pure" Ancient Greek or Thracian, who may have followed Alexander, but a mixture of Steppe and Indian. How about other Balkan people?

    Here are my results:
    Greco-Bactrian + Roman (10.86)
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    Greco-Bactrian (11.32)
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    2. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) ..... 12.59 (Click for more info)
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    3. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 13.49 (Click for more info)
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    4. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 16.03 (Click for more info)
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    5. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 16.46 (Click for more info)
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    @eastara,

    sometimes the oracle and the combinations proposed by MTA don't offer the maximum precision, especially for some regions.
    I hypothesize that this sudden proximity or similarity of the Indo-Greek sample to the southern Slavic peoples may depend on the fact that this calculator "reads" in a similar way on the one hand the combination of northeastern European components with the Anatolian / Caucasian ones of the Balkans, and on the other the combination of steppe with the southernmost Iran / India. I believe that with the next MTA updates they take better measurements

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
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    My shared cm seems way to high with alot of these samples:











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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post


    My shared cm seems way to high with alot of these samples:










    I don't know what to answer, @Dibran. Indeed, these values ​​also seem to me to be high. It also happens with my matches. Assuming that these genetic links are real, the only thing that comes to my mind is that MTA intercepts very old DNA segments, common in this case to all/manyEuropeans, fragments incidentally also inherited by these ancient samples

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    9. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 17.42 (Кликнете за повече информация)
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    10. Средновековен тиролски (670 г. сл. н. е.) ..... 17.49 (Кликнете за повече информация)
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    12. Западно-скитско Черно море (290 г. пр.н.е.) ..... 18.23 (Кликнете за повече информация)
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    13. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 18.49 (Кликнете за повече информация)
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    14. Племето Тюрингии (420 AD) ..... 18.58 (Кликнете за повече информация)
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    15. Скитска Украйна (600 г. пр.н.е.) ..... 19.57 (Кликнете за повече информация)
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    16. Средновековен Франк (670 г. сл. н. е.) ..... 19.6 (Кликнете за повече информация)
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    17. Средновековна Унгария / Балкан (1244 сл. н. е.) ..... 19.85 (Кликнете за повече информация)
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    18. Франк-Галия / Ломбардия Италия (670 сл. н. е.) ..... 20.1 (Кликнете за повече информация)
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    19. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) ..... 20.19 (Кликнете за повече информация)
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    20. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) ..... 20.38 (Кликнете за повече информация)
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    I get I6549 too



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    I noticed via additional features , that the site uses the site, SNPedia , this site as well as the site Prometheuse will be owned by MHeritage from the 1st of November 2019
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    I don't know what to answer, @Dibran. Indeed, these values ​​also seem to me to be high. It also happens with my matches. Assuming that these genetic links are real, the only thing that comes to my mind is that MTA intercepts very old DNA segments, common in this case to all/manyEuropeans, fragments incidentally also inherited by these ancient samples
    I suppose that too. Maybe they fill in with pieces of DNA that are common to all primates since they don't find enough cM from SNPs.
    But I appreciate that they have beautiful graphics, pictures and maps. lol ...

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