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Fellow Brazilian, not only. AFAIK, the Suebi influenced Portugal way more than Visigoths did, but who knows!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_the_Suebi

And "a contingent of the Buri accompanied the Suebi in their invasion of the Iberian Peninsula and established themselves in Gallaecia (modern northern Portugal and Galicia) in the 5th century."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buri_tribe

Congrats for figuring out your clade, btw. :)

Hey, Visigoth Girona is one of my closest matches...but I am R1a, as was a number of Visigoths, given it is common in Scandinavia where they originated and in what is now Poland, where they lived for a few centuries.

View attachment 11197 so these might be my father's ancestors?

Welcome to the U 106 club!!!

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Really cool. Thanks guys. (y):)
 
DNA Y: I am positive for haplogroup M405/U106/S21 - L47/S170.
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https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Haplogroup_R_(Y-DNA)

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-U106/

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S263/

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S499/

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L47/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...aLsQ1jojN3etgDR8pByaTRnq4/edit#gid=1078904281

https://www.genetichomeland.com/welcome/dnamarkerindex.asp

https://yhrd.org/tools/branch/R1b-U106

Considering that I am a descendant Iberian, I believe that the guilty can only be a man of this tribe::unsure:

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Analysis completed:
R1b - M405/U106/S21- L477
R-L477 (age: 1956 ybp)

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https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L477/
 
@Duarte
Just now I saw the Raw Data per se. Apparently you're negative for U106, i.e., you don't belong to R1b-U106. You have to compare your result with the derived allele, not with the ancestral allele. For example, if the U106 mutation is C->T and your genotype is C (ancestral), then you're U106- (negative for it). If you had T (derived/alt), then you'd be U106+ (positive).
It seems you have C, meaning negative.
The same for the others SNPs listed.
 
@Duarte
Just now I saw the Raw Data per se. Apparently you're negative for U106, i.e., you don't belong to R1b-U106. You have to compare your result with the derived allele, not with the ancestral allele. For example, if the U106 mutation is C->T and your genotype is C (ancestral), then you're U106- (negative for it). If you had T (derived/alt), then you'd be U106+ (positive).
It seems you have C, meaning negative.
The same for the others SNPs listed.

Dear Regio X.

I certainly respect your opinion considering that, through your posts, it's visible that you are a person who understands a lot about genetic phylogeny.


Below I post the data from my "Y" chromosome after migration to the current nomenclature used by ISOGG. The highlights in green or red were made by me. The R haplogroup markers identified with "+" I highlighted in green and the haplogroup markers identified with "_" I have highlighted in red:

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I remember that in the Excel worksheet with the original raw data, markers with two letters, such as "CC", "TT", "CT", are considered to be recognized. The markers whose the "letters" of the allele are "_ _" are not migrated, since they are considered "no call".


Following your understanding I could only be sure that I am R-L151 and could not conclude anything regarding the haplogroups that are under the R-L151.


However, alleles that do not have the "_ _" record in the raw data sheet have been all migrated and, from the reading of the technical notes in the figure below (given as an example), it is not possible to assert that the migrated alleles, identified after migration, with the signal "_" are "not identificated" or are "no call", and, because that, must be discarded from the analyses as, for example, U106-, IMHO:

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Btw, thank you for your alert and your attention to the case. We are here to learn and, of course, I understand that your considerations very important.


Cheers and hugs :) (y):)
 
Dear Regio X.

I certainly respect your opinion considering that, through your posts, it's visible that you are a person who understands a lot about genetic phylogeny.


Below I post the data from my "Y" chromosome after migration to the current nomenclature used by ISOGG. The highlights in green or red were made by me. The R haplogroup markers identified with "+" I highlighted in green and the haplogroup markers identified with "_" I have highlighted in red:

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I remember that in the Excel worksheet with the original raw data, markers with two letters, such as "CC", "TT", "CT", are considered to be recognized. The markers whose the "letters" of the allele are "_ _" are not migrated, since they are considered "no call".


Following your understanding I could only be sure that I am R-L151 and could not conclude anything regarding the haplogroups that are under the R-L151.


However, alleles that do not have the "_ _" record in the raw data sheet have been all migrated and, from the reading of the technical notes in the figure below (given as an example), it is not possible to assert that the migrated alleles, identified after migration, with the signal "_" are "not identificated" or are "no call", and, because that, must be discarded from the analyses as, for example, U106-, IMHO:

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Btw, thank you for your alert and your attention to the case. We are here to learn and, of course, I understand that your considerations very important.


Cheers and hugs :) (y):)
You're welcome! :)

The good calls are the homozygous. Results like "--" and "TC" may be ignored.

As for U106 (Build 37 position 8796078), well, not sure what you mean, but if your Raw Data shows your genotype for it is "CC", then you're confirmed "negative" (U106-), meaning you're NOT R1b-U106. The odds are you belong to R1b-P312, but just further tests to be sure.

There are already tools for it, but I took advantage of a sw I developed time ago and easily created a list to help those men who tested only in MyHeritage and wanna clues about the Y haplogroup to which they belong.

I'll consider firstly just the most common haplogroups in Europe: R1b, R1a, I, J, E, G, T...

The equivalences may be checked in ISOGG 2019 Y-DNA trees:
https://isogg.org/tree/

Subgroup name --->
SNP / Build 37 Number / Derived allele (needed to be positive)

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R1b --->
PF6255 : 14273103 : G
YSC0000075 : 7960019 : A
L506 : 21995972 : A
CTS2134 : 14193384 : A

R1b1a1b1a1 --->
P310 : 18907236 : C
(Duarte, P310 is an equivalent of L52, not of L151)

R1b1a1b1a1a1 --->
U106 : 8796078 : T

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R1a --->
L62 : 17891241 : G
L146 : 23473201 : A

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I --->
PF3649 : 8046731 : C
CTS2514 : 14337364 : C
M258 : 15023364 : C

I1 --->
L80 : 14640715 : G
Z2840 : 19563894 : C

I2a1 --->
L460 : 7879415 : C

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J1a2a1a2 --->
P58 : 14486667 : C


J2 --->
M172 : 14969634 : G

J2a1 --->
CTS7683 : 17614366 : A

J2a1a --->
F4326 : 23021978 : G

J2b2a --->
M241 : 15018459 : A

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E1b1 --->
M5404 : 7736744 : A
L492 : 15541126 : T
L613 : 9448625 : A
CTS6333 : 16824270 : C

E1b1b1b2a1a1 --->
L29 : 16936081 : T

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G --->
PF2952 : 14577177 : A
U21 : 15204710 : C

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T --->
M272 : 22738775 : G

T1a2 --->
L131 : 19372808 : T

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Q --->

F1237.1 : 8479245 : G
M242 : 15018582 : T

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N --->
F3373 : 22921768 : A

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L --->
M185 : 14904859 : T

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OTHERS

R : Y472 : 6868118 : A
R : YSC0000287 : 16615413 : T
R : Y506 : 21219443 : G
R1 : P225 : 15590342 : T
R1 : YSC0000288 : 16742224 : G
R1 : P238 : 7771131 : A
R1 : P233 : 21166358 : G
R1 : M781 : 21917832 : C

R1b1 : PF6271 : 23984056 : A
R1b1 : YSC0000224 : 21558298 : T
R1b1a1 : PF6498 : 21312064 : A
R1b1a1 : L502 : 19020340 : C
R1b1a1b : PF6485 : 18719565 : C
R1b1a1b : YSC0000225 : 21784286 : A
R1b1a1b : L483 : 8233186 : T
R1b1a1b : PF6265 : 21554468 : A
R1b1a1b : CTS329 : 2897433 : G
R1b1a1b1a1a1c2a1 : M467 : 16839499 : A
R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b1 : L47 : 22178569 : A
R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b1a1a : L46 : 19077409 : G
R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b1a1a : L525 : 14053205 : T
R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b1a1a1 : L237 : 15744642 : A
R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b1a1a1 : L164 : 15701859 : A
R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b1a1a1 : L45 : 15116138 : G
R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b1a1a1a : L493 : 15800326 : G
R1b1a1b1a1a2a1a1a1 : Z278 : 18167479 : G
R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a1a1a1a1 : M222 : 14902414 : A
R1b1a1b1a1a2d : L238 : 21253443 : G

I1a1a1a1a2a1 : M72 : 21894407 : G

I2a1a1a : M26 : 21865821 : A
I2a1b : L35 : 22725379 : A
I2a1b1 : P221 : 8353707 : A
I2a1b1a1a1a : L137.1 : 9791250 : A
I2a1b2a : L38 : 15668070 : G
I2a1b2a : L39 : 16199051 : C

J2a1a1a2a2b : M322 : 15469740 : A

E : P169 : 22918577 : T
E : P171 : 23443971 : T
E : P173 : 6995523 : G
E : L511 : 23059591 : A
E : PF1788 : 19500107 : T
E : M5406 : 7913358 : A
E (Notes) : M107 : 21931638 : G
E (Notes) : M66 : 21881573 : C

E1a : M132 : 21896261 : T
E1b1a1 : CTS6180 : 16713318 : T
E1b1a1 : CTS5964 : 16578072 : C
E1b1a1 : M4745 : 8165984 : G
E1b1a1 : CTS3105 : 14666569 : T
E1b1a1 : CTS6471 : 16922783 : C
E1b1a1 : CTS11729 : 23241047 : A
E1b1a1a1a1c : L485 : 8852858 : T
E1b1a1a1a1c1 : L514 : 14636457 : T
E1b1a1a1a1c1a1 : M191 : 15019613 : G
E1b1a1a1a1c1b : L516 : 19105726 : C
E1b1a1a1a1c1b : L517 : 21593470 : G
E1b1a1a1a1c1b1 : Z1894 : 14887218 : T
E1b1a1a1a2a : U175 : 16253694 : A
E1b1a1a1a2a1 : P277 : 15579215 : G
E1b1a1a1a2a1 : M4254 : 21541514 : A
E1b1a1a1a2a1 : P278.1 : 8467053 : A
E1b1a1a1a2a1a3a1e : L477 : 2867288 : C

G2a2b1a1a : L14 : 22917995 : T
G2a2b2a1a1a1 : L78 : 14871976 : T
G2a2b2a1a1b1a1a1a1b : YSC0000033 : 17353144 : T
G2a2b2a2 : M278 : 15022465 : C
G2b1a : M283 : 15031385 : G

Q1b : L56 : 8148869 : A
Q1b : L57 : 15574102 : A
Q1b1 : L55 : 19413335 : A
Q1b1a : L54 : 23292782 : A
Q1b1a1a : M3 : 19096363 : A
Q1b1a1a1b : M194 : 15014550 : C

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AND SOME MORE

D1b1a2 : CTS107 : 2731887 : T

DE : M145 : 21717208 : T
DE : CTS3334 : 14842223 : T
DE : F3170.1 : 21306315 : A

F : F2155 : 16401339 : T
F : P148 : 19349615 : T
F : P166 : 17256018 : T
F : P145 : 8424089 : A
F : M89 : 21917313 : T
F : F719 : 2722506 : A
F : F3136 : 21147336 : C
F : M3638 : 2863665 : G
F : L132.1 : 17464197 : C
F : P141 : 6941218 : A
F : P160 : 8474189 : C
F : CTS3654 : 15095345 : G
F : F2402 : 17152659 : C
F : P159 : 18097251 : A
F : CTS4443 : 15651438 : T
F : F2837 : 18765649 : C
F : F1753 : 14294504 : G
F : F3111 : 21080707 : G
F : F1714 : 14171665 : T
F : F2048 : 15955432 : T
F : F1704 : 14149772 : T

H1a1b1a : Page75 : 6938119 : A

IJ : F4281 : 19166861 : C
IJ : YSC0001311 : 18633084 : A
IJ : P127 : 8590752 : T
IJK : L15 : 6753519 : G
IJK : L16 : 7173143 : A

K : P128 : 20837553 : T
K : P132 : 8679843 : T
K : P131 : 15472863 : T
K2 : M526 : 23550924 : C
K2b : M1221 : 16222561 : T

L1b2a : M274 : 22737801 : T

M1 : M189 : 14945705 : T
M1 : M5 : 21609946 : T
M1a2a1 : F2561 : 17678803 : A

O : P186 : 7568568 : A
O : P196 : 15754313 : A
O1b2 : M176 : 2655180 : A
O1b2a2 : Page90 : 14968449 : G
O2 : P198 : 17053771 : T
O2a1b1a1a1a1 : F526 : 19171953 : G
O2a2 : IMS-JST021354 : 2828196 : C
O2a2b : P164 : 14001232 : G

P or K2b2 : F536 : 19315988 : T
P or K2b2 : P295 : 7963031 : G
P1 or K2b2a : P237 : 8334875 : G

 
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Subgroup name --->
SNP / Build 37 Number / Derived allele (needed to be positive)

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R1b --->
PF6255 : 14273103 : G
YSC0000075 : 7960019 : A
L506 : 21995972 : A
CTS2134 : 14193384 : A

R1b1a1b1a1 --->
P310 : 18907236 : C
(Duarte, P310 is an equivalent of L52, not of L151)


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https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L52/

I am subgroup R1b1a1b1a1, SNP P310/PF6546/S129, homozygous "C" ("CC", ie, derived allele "C"), position hg37 "18907236".


To know which subgroups are under the R1b1a1b1a1 I would have to do the Y-Full examination of the FTDNA. You're right.


As the price is impractical, it will stay for later.

I'm glad to know I'm R-L52. That's enough for now.


Thanks and that God bless you for the help. :) (y):)
 
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https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L52/

I am subgroup R1b1a1b1a1, SNP P310/PF6546/S129, homozygous "C" ("CC", ie, derived allele "C"), position hg37 "18907236".


To know which subgroups are under the R1b1a1b1a1 I would have to do the Y-Full examination of the FTDNA. You're right.


As the price is impractical, it will stay for later.

I'm glad to know I'm R-L52. That's enough for now.


Thanks and that God bless you for the help. :) (y):)
My pleasure! :)

Notice that, in fact, YFull analysis is very good, but it's not mandatory. Tests like BigY (expensive), SNP Packs in FTDNA or Panels in YSEQ, cheaper options, would already place you deeper in the phylogenetic tree. So you have alternatives.

As for U106 (Build 37 position 8796078), well, not sure what you mean, but if your Raw Data shows your genotype for it is "CC", then you're confirmed "negative" (U106-), meaning you're NOT R1b-U106. The odds are you belong to R1b-P312, but just further tests to be sure.
The only way to be R1b-U106 with U106- is a "back mutation", proved by being positive for SNPs downstream, but the chances tend to zero, hence my emphasis.
 
It appears that the most ancient that you share dna with is Western Pomerania Unetice, 2.6 cM.

The next is Scythian, 19.91 cM.

Look at the yellow lines to see which you share dna, you can widen the distance between each population by lowering the number of samples, and narrow the years of search to spread it out over a larger area.
 
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Is this mean that Ancient Gotlander is my first Ancestor ? And Gotlander is viking/longobard?

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Hello RagnarofMacedon,

Hello . I'm just repositioning this answer to your question, answer elaborated by the member Wheal, so that it stays along with your question.
A big hug.

It appears that the most ancient that you share dna with is Western Pomerania Unetice, 2.6 cM.

The next is Scythian, 19.91 cM.

Look at the yellow lines to see which you share dna, you can widen the distance between each population by lowering the number of samples, and narrow the years of search to spread it out over a larger area.
 
Thank you @Duarte, I sometimes don't think to do the quote thing..
 
Hello RagnarofMacedon,

Hello . I'm just repositioning this answer to your question, answer elaborated by the member Wheal, so that it stays along with your question.
A big hug.


Hey thanks man @Wheal @Duarte

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Here's only 5 samples from antique i have illyrian ,thracian ,scyntian,ancient egyptian , on gedmatch i share with illyrian and thracian dna , here not showing...Can you tell me that lines red,yellow,blue all have different meaning ?
 
MTA - New features, new samples and new results.

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Hey thanks man @Wheal @Duarte

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Here's only 5 samples from antique i have illyrian ,thracian ,scyntian,ancient egyptian , on gedmatch i share with illyrian and thracian dna , here not showing...Can you tell me that lines red,yellow,blue all have different meaning ?

@RagnarofMacedon:

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My fathers;
Gallo-RomanRomanIllyrian

Gallo-Roman + Roman (7.418)

Roman + Illyrian (7.891)
Roman (8.863)
Gallo-Roman (9.141)
Illyrian (9.53)

My results;
Gallo-RomanIllyrianScythian

Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (8.989)

Gallo-Roman + Scythian (9.862)
Gallo-Roman (10.032)
Illyrian (12.332)
Scythian (13.151)

My mother is half Serbian but she is not tested :D refusing , considered this things nonsense "We all need to love eachother" wtf...

 
Well, they have me landing right on top of CL36. Again, that sample was buried near that area (Collegno) in Piemonte but is from a later period, not the Langobard cemetery, and according to Eurogenes programs he's between a Bergamo type and a Tuscan type. That, by the way, is also what I am. :)

So, from at least the 8th century AD, if I remember the dating correctly, there were people just like me living in Piemonte, and, I would think, much of Italy north of Rome. Oh, and 23andme tells me that my closest modern region is Emilia. So, it all fits.
 
Ditto :)


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