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    What if the Greek dna in Albanian is actually Pelasgian? It seems like the Greek in Albanians seems different from Greeks


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    @valentinavalley2

    Nah, I think the commonality has to do with the legacy of a copper age/Bronze age migration from Anatolia.

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    I think perhaps the correlation partly has to do with Anatolian Bronze Age admixture, overlapping between Albanians, Greeks, Italians, etc. SEEurope1 and 2 are Albanian cohorts of samples.

    I'd suspect I would have a closer affinity with the south of Albania, who have higher levels of ABA. I get 81 on the K36 heat map there, as well as SCItaly; both with comparable levels of ABA. I also get 81 for the Peloponnese:


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    Pelasgian is an outdated term which is not used in genetics studies for very good reasons, chief among them being that even the accounts from the Greek "historians" and writers are contradictory.

    This tendency to treat these ancient writers as geneticists or even historians in the modern sense is unhelpful.

    Of course, there were indeed indigenous people in the Balkans before the arrival of the Indo-European speakers, and there was admixture of different amounts in different parts of the Balkans and Greece.

    What we have is European Middle Neolithic people who were mostly Anatolian Neolithic plus up to 20-25% WHG, and then there was a new arrival in the Copper/Bronze Age of people from Anatolia (this time with larger amounts of Iranian Neolithic) and then from the steppe.

    Different groups carried different percentages of those ancient peoples.

    The mixing has gone on throughout the millennia.

    There's no modern population completely descended from the groups of the Bronze Age. That's fantasy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    There are few differences between Kits.
    I think that AncestryDNA has better compatibility in some of the MTA apps.
    As a rule of thumb, the better Kits are the ones with the closest Archaeogenetic matches (smaller numbers), I think.
    Kits test on GedMatch ... curiosity :)

    Single kit vs Combined GedMatch vs Combined DNA-Kit-Studio

    Single Normal Kit:


    Kit Combined by GedMatch:


    Kit Combined with DNA Kit Studio:


    There's not much of a difference, lol

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    Comparing with one of my Top Matches:




    Single Kit vs Combined Kit (DnaKitStudio) vs Combined (GedMatch)

    SZ40 & Salento - Q-Matching One-to-One Comparison:


    Comparing Kit TZ5280008 (SZ40) [-] and Salento Combined (DnaKitStudio)


    Total cM: 10.10
    Largest segment cM: 1.51
    Total segments: 8

    Comparing Kit TZ5280008 (SZ40) [-] Salento Combined (by GedMatch)

    Total cM: 7.93
    Largest segment cM: 1.51
    Total segments: 6

    Comparing Kit TZ5280008 (SZ40) [-] and Salento Single


    Total cM: 2.32
    Largest segment cM: 1.16
    Total segments: 2
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    This is what I get....


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    my father results

    I do not know why these do not align

    Gaul + Gallo-Roman (4.873)
    Gaul + Illyrian (5.499)
    Gaul (8.072)
    Gallo-Roman (8.617)
    Illyrian (8.818)


    1. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 8.072 - SZ45 (Click for more info)
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    2. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 8.577 - CL94 (Click for more info)
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    3. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 8.617 - SZ28 (Click for more info)
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    4. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.818 - I3313 (Click for more info)
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    5. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 8.835 - I4332 (Click for more info)
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    6. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 8.835 - I5769 (Click for more info)
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    7. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 9.766 - CL36 (Click for more info)
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    Fathers mtdna T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna T1a1e
    Sons mtdna K1a4o
    Mum paternal line R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line R1a-Z282

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    my wife numbers ..........her paternal and maternal line run along the veneto -friuli border of the Livenza river

    Gaul + Thracian (3.378)
    Gaul + Illyrian (3.378)
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    1. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 6.716 - SZ45 (Click for more info)
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    3. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 8.715 - I5769 (Click for more info)
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    5. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 10.04 - SZ18 (Click for more info)
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    Q-Match 1 to 1 - Salento vs Neanderthal yep, lol

    Comparing Kit M113500 (Manfred Neander) and Salento

    Total cM: 2.35
    Largest segment cM: 1.21
    Total segments: 2




    ... his name is Manfred Neander, any connection to Manfredonia in Puglia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Q-Match 1 to 1 - Salento vs Neanderthal yep, lol

    Comparing Kit M113500 (Manfred Neander) and Salento

    Total cM: 2.35
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    ... his name is Manfred Neander, any connection to Manfredonia in Puglia?
    Many manfredi surname in veneto

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Many manfredi surname in veneto
    There were Neanderthals in Puglia:

    Altamura, Puglia,
    Skeleton Found in Italy Cave Yields Oldest Neanderthal DNA


    Altamura Man
    ... Altamura Man is one of the most complete Paleolithic skeletons ever to be discovered in Europe as "even the bones inside the nose are still there" and as of 2016 it represents the oldest sample of Neanderthal DNA to have been sequenced successfully...



    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamura_Man


    https://www.nbcnews.com/science/scie...al-dna-n339661

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    I upgraded to Zeus, because I already had credit from Caesar, and I took advantage of the sale. Here are my top 10 samples from around the Copper age, as well as the Bronze Age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post




    I upgraded to Zeus, because I already had credit from Caesar, and I took advantage of the sale. Here are my top 10 samples from around the Copper age, as well as the Bronze Age.
    Really very cool, Jovialis. I did the same that you do, using my credit from Caesar and now I am a Zeus:






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    The reason why Italians are getting Illyrian in their results is because original Italians from
    Venetia and Apulia were Illyrians, and although Etruscans are considered to be non indo European they do look like they have a lot of things in common with pre-balkanic population.

    Before the Roman Expansion the Venetic and Missapi people were said to have be Illyrian in origin and most likely spoke an Illyrian language.

    So it would make sense Italians and Albanians tend to over lap, same goes with Greeks and Western Turks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by valentinavalley2 View Post
    The reason why Italians are getting Illyrian in their results is because original Italians from
    Venetia and Apulia were Illyrians, and although Etruscans are considered to be non indo European they do look like they have a lot of things in common with pre-balkanic population.

    Before the Roman Expansion the Venetic and Missapi people were said to have be Illyrian in origin and most likely spoke an Illyrian language.

    So it would make sense Italians and Albanians tend to over lap, same goes with Greeks and Western Turks.


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    Hopefully, the upcoming studies will provide some insight into the Illyrian/Iapgians in Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valentinavalley2 View Post
    The reason why Italians are getting Illyrian in their results is because original Italians from
    Venetia and Apulia were Illyrians, and although Etruscans are considered to be non indo European they do look like they have a lot of things in common with pre-balkanic population.

    Before the Roman Expansion the Venetic and Missapi people were said to have be Illyrian in origin and most likely spoke an Illyrian language.

    So it would make sense Italians and Albanians tend to over lap, same goes with Greeks and Western Turks.


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    Latest linguistic study 2012
    http://www.jolr.ru/files/(83)jlr2012-7(33-46).pdf

    and

    this is the latest study on what you refer to ....2015



    Messapic with Venetic ???/...I am not sure

    Research on the origins and identity of Illyrians continues with established settlements at Opitergium (Oderzo),


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    my father mtdna is T2b17

    .............................

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    Actually Illyrian is the ancestor of Albanians but Thracians are said to have been sister language or cousin of Illyrian, the same way as Slovakian is related to Polish today. I don’t really know what to think about Thracians being related to Illyrians linguistically, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Trojan theory is correct.

    The name Albani is a latinised word for the Illyrian tribe known as Arbon, Arbo or Arbeni, which is first mentioned in 2Century bc.




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    Quote Originally Posted by valentinavalley2 View Post
    Actually Illyrian is the ancestor of Albanians but Thracians are said to have been sister language or cousin of Illyrian, the same way as Slovakian is related to Polish.

    The name Albani is a latinised word for the Illyrian tribe known as Arbon, Arbo or Arbeni, which is first mentioned in 2Century bc.




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    we should move this to another thread ..............but here is its origin .....Alban is used predominantly in the English and German languages, and it is derived from Latin origins. The name's meaning is man from Alba. It is from the elements 'Alba' meaning white hill ; 'albus' white ; 'alp' rock. The name is derived from the Roman family name Albanus (Latin), meaning 'from Alba' in reference possibly to the ethnic name of a place in ancient Rome called Alba Longa. The place name is derived from the Latin 'albus' or the Celtic 'alp'. Alba could also refer to the Irish and Scottish Gaelic name for Scotland, which is derived from the Celtic word Albion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    we should move this to another thread ..............but here is its origin .....Alban is used predominantly in the English and German languages, and it is derived from Latin origins. The name's meaning is man from Alba. It is from the elements 'Alba' meaning white hill ; 'albus' white ; 'alp' rock. The name is derived from the Roman family name Albanus (Latin), meaning 'from Alba' in reference possibly to the ethnic name of a place in ancient Rome called Alba Longa. The place name is derived from the Latin 'albus' or the Celtic 'alp'. Alba could also refer to the Irish and Scottish Gaelic name for Scotland, which is derived from the Celtic word Albion.
    Yes that is true, but the Albani tribe actually called themselves Arbeni people, or arberi people, a older name is Arbon, the term “Albani” was the latinised name for them. Maybe it was the Roman way to “force” latinise people...

    Albania was known as Principality of Arbanon during the Middle Ages.

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    Get back on topic, people.

    There are dozens of "Albanian" threads. Find one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Get back on topic, people.

    There are dozens of "Albanian" threads. Find one.
    I was referring to the topic why Italians and Albanians over lap in ancestry.


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    Here is a PCA with samples strictly from 590-670 AD, which mainly show the Collegno and Szolad samples. However, it seems to show other samples that are slightly outside of those restrictions, i.e. the Justinian Plague victim from 760 AD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post

    Here is a PCA with samples strictly from 590-670 AD, which mainly show the Collegno and Szolad samples. However, it seems to show other samples that are slightly outside of those restrictions, i.e. the Justinian Plague victim from 760 AD.
    Same God :)

    Same Setting - 590-670 AD:




    MTA & Q-Matching with I3313 Illyrian/ Dalmatian Bronze Age / 1200 BC




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    my Cousin from Cles trentino ...new numbers

    Roman + Illyrian (2.211)
    Gallo-Roman + Roman (4.365)
    Roman (5.549)
    Gallo-Roman (7.479)
    Illyrian (8.625)


    1. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 5.549 - CL36 (Click for more info)
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    2. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 6.369 - SZ43 (Click for more info)
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    3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.084 - SZ36 (Click for more info)
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    4. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.479 - SZ28 (Click for more info)
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    5. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 8.056 - NS3c (Click for more info)
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    6. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.625 - I3313 (Click for more info)
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    7. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) ..... 9.109 - scy192 (Click for more info)
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