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[Duarte]

Dear friends.
I was able to note in many of the comments of this thread the strangeness of some regarding the presence of ancient samples of Illyrians, Scythians, and Thracians in the results of Iberians, French and North Italian.
In that sense I upgraded my MyTrueAncestry account and now appear which were the ancestral samples that were used in the comparison.
In order to collaborate, I share these results of my ancestry so that the specialists of the Forum can make a more detailed analysis of these ancient samples of Illyrians, Scythians, and Thracians, verifying the accuracy of the presented results.
Hugs to all.

[italouruguayan]

Hello Duarte
I asked myself the same about the Illyrian populations present in my results ... maybe they are related to the Venetian origin of my paternal family. And in the 10th place in "Your closest Archaeogenetics Matches", figure "Gepid / Goth", and it reminded me the story of Alboin king of the Lombards, defeated the king of the Gepids in Pannonia (and incorporating his people) before moving forward to Italy ...

[matty74]

Way cool Duarte and it gives us a valuable insight into prehistoric Spain and Portugal as well. I've seen Medieval Tyrolian a few times now, what is that exactly? I'm assuming Germanic or is it a mixture?

[Duarte]

Hello Duarte
I asked myself the same about the Illyrian populations present in my results ... maybe they are related to the Venetian origin of my paternal family. And in the 10th place in "Your closest Archaeogenetics Matches", figure "Gepid / Goth", and it reminded me the story of Alboin king of the Lombards, defeated the king of the Gepids in Pannonia (and incorporating his people) before moving forward to Italy ...

Hello, Italouruguayan.
In a certain topic I saw a comment from Maciamo explaining that in the province of Pannonia, where lived one part of the Illyrians, there were many Roman settlements, which could justify these matchs with the Illyrians. Thanks for the explanations on the story of Alboin king of the Lombards.
Big hug :)

[Duarte]

Way cool Duarte and it gives us a valuable insight into prehistoric Spain and Portugal as well. I've seen Medieval Tyrolian a few times now, what is that exactly? I'm assuming Germanic or is it a mixture?

Hi matty.
Germanic ancestry in the peoples of the Iberian peninsula is common. It is a legacy of the Suevi, Visigoths and Vandals, Germanic peoples who invaded the Iberian peninsula when the Roman Empire collapsed.
Big hug :)

[HYGILI4K]

Mine.

I don't know if it's trustful...

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[Duarte]

Mine.

I don't know if it's trustful...

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In my opinion, very useful. Thanks HYGILI4K :)

[Jovialis]

Dear friends.
I was able to note in many of the comments of this thread the strangeness of some regarding the presence of ancient samples of Illyrians, Scythians, and Thracians in the results of Iberians, French and North Italian.
In that sense I upgraded my MyTrueAncestry account and now appear which were the ancestral samples that were used in the comparison.
In order to collaborate, I share these results of my ancestry so that the specialists of the Forum can make a more detailed analysis of these ancient samples of Illyrians, Scythians, and Thracians, verifying the accuracy of the presented results.
Hugs to all.

I'm unable to see the pictures, they come out as gray error messages. Could you post a screen cap with imgur?

[HYGILI4K]

Thank you

But I don't think my closest ancient population is scythian. Father is of italian ancestry, and mother is central portuguese.

Would make more sense to me roman

[Duarte]

I'm unable to see the pictures, they come out as gray error messages. Could you post a screen cap with imgur?

Hi Jovialis. Thanks
That is with Imgur links:

[matty74]

Strange, I was able to see both of Duarte's submissions. Perhaps it is a browser issue? I do think they should make this forum a little less archaic and easier to submit photos to, but I won't complain.

[Duarte]

Strange, I was able to see both of Duarte's submissions. Perhaps it is a browser issue? I do think they should make this forum a little less archaic and easier to submit photos to, but I won't complain.

Hi matty.
I think it's an OS problem. Images are not displayed on computers with MacOSx, which is Apple's operating system. On my MacBook Pro with the macOS High Sierra operating system, the images do not appear if they have not been posted with Imgur links, no matter if you are using chrome, safari or firefox. In Windows they appear perfectly, whatever the browser. I've been posting with links from google photos, but now that I've discovered these links only work on windows, I'm going to use only Imgur, because then the images will always appear, either on windows or on the Mac.
A big hug :)

[Salento]

depending on settings and permissions, links on web drives could expire quickly in a matter of hours.

[matty74]

I'm working out of MacBook Pro here as well. I've had some issues but was able to view both of your image submissions. Perhaps its because we're both operating via the some OS.

[Regio X]

I agree. I would never have attempted to compare my genome with all of these ancient samples.
I have to say it's a little strange for me to think that I'm closer genetically to an ancient sample from Roman Pannonia in 590 AD, than to any modern Italian population. My best scores are usually a 4 or a 5 to Bergamo and Tuscany, or Tuscany and Bergamo, depending on the calculator, and here I got a 3.614 to a single Roman sample. Even with the Piedmont/Ligurian sample, my score is 4.73 and everything else is higher (MDLP K23b).
I don't know if this is the same Eurogenes calculator you're discussing, but these are my scores:
#Population (source)Distance1Tuscan5.032North_Italian6.053Italian_Abruzzo10.05 4West_Sicilian10.515Spanish_Murcia11.936Spanish_Ex tremadura11.977Spanish_Andalucia11.988Greek12.419P ortuguese12.5610Greek_Thessaly12.711Spanish_Castil la_Y_Leon12.8912Spanish_Cataluna12.9813Spanish_Val encia13.0114East_Sicilian13.6115Central_Greek13.64 16Spanish_Galicia13.7817Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.9218Bulgarian14.2319South_Italian14.8620Romania n14.91
I'm pretty sure the higher Sicilian than Southern Italian scores are because of the "Lombard", actually all of Northwestern Italy, migration to Sicily in the Middle Ages to "reclaim" it for Latin Christianity.

I get less distance to ancient than to modern as well. I confess I don't know exactly why. Perhaps just two different contexts? Modern makes sense as modern. Notice that any individual, ancient or not, "will be" categorized in the available clusters, necessarily, but the results per se won't tell us nothing about the strenght of the fits. Still, a close result can't be a mere coincidence. Or maybe the distances are just adjusted in some way, in order to the interpretation suggested by the company makes more sense? Unlikely, but... It could be checked, if some of these ancients are in GedMatch.
Also, our results, in modern Oracle, must be compared with averages of references, not with specific individuals, as in the ancient Oracle. Perhaps you'd get even less distance when compared to some specific modern Tuscan or North Italian individual used as one of the references for the related pop. We could visualize it better in a PCA.
Not to mention possible margins. A difference of just 1% in one cluster would imply a correspondant difference in another one, meaning an additional of 2 in distance. Anyway, again: we shouldn't take it too literally.

Thanks for posting your scores. K15, right? If what I said is true, then the list should be the same as MyTrueAncestry's, with slightly different numbers. Is it the case?

I really do like this calculator too, I hope they do add to it as time goes on. I really appreciate the way they link the specific samples back to the papers they come from.

Yeah, there is this concordance between different tools toward certain results, and we could already check their value, empirically.
You do seem similar to Myceneans, for example, as reinforced by both the similarity rate based on K36 and the distance in MyTrueAncestry, which probably uses different clusters, even if also from Eurogenes. In fact, I don't know if just the modern would be based on K15 (?) or also the ancient...
Perhaps K36, associated to the similarity rate, is even better for the job, breaking down more ancestral components. But it increases distances, making more sense to talk about similarity, inversely.
Of course, it doesn't inform "absolute" similarity. I'm affraid it's not the best tool for it. But I guess absolute similarity could be less informative of ancestry.

As for the improvement, they also could include a PCA based on modern pops (assuming they do use K15 - itself based in modern pop -; I'm not sure), with the user and all ancient samples placed... At least we could visualize the distances and also the "directions".

[davef]

Im having so much fun reading results from this calculator. It's seriously the most interesting one I've ever seen and I've been waiting impatiently for one that can compare you to ancient Greeks, Romans and (hopefully it has them) Egyptians

[TardisBlue]

These are my Mother's results, she's French.

[Duarte]

depending on settings and permissions, links on web drives could expire quickly in a matter of hours.

Dear Salento.
IMO, I believe this is a configuration problem of proxy/firewall of the computer that Jovialis is using.


I did the inspection of the page and checked that in the source code in html language that both posts are there, both in the google link, and the Imgur link.


it seems that some Proxy settings are preventing the display of the image links generated by "google photos" on Jovialis's computer.


Here are the transcripts of the parts of the page where are the GOOGLE source code and the IMGUR source code.

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	<div class="message">Dear friends.<br />
	I was able to note in many of the comments of this thread the strangeness of some regarding the presence of ancient samples of Illyrians, Scythians, and Thracians in the results of Iberians, French and North Italian.<br />
	In that sense I upgraded my MyTrueAncestry account and now appear which were the ancestral samples that were used in the comparison.<br />
	In order to collaborate, I share these results of my ancestry so that the specialists of the Forum can make a more detailed analysis of these ancient samples of Illyrians, Scythians, and Thracians, verifying the accuracy of the presented results.<br />
	Hugs to all.<br />
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All links are up and running.
Big hug :)

[Jovialis]

Thanks for the insight, Duarte!

@ Regio X,

Indeed, I would like to also see both a 2D and 3D PCA added to the calculator. As well as other similar tools used in the research papers, like percentage bar graphics, using ancient DNA source populations to model individuals in multiple ways.

The Mycenaean is pretty consistent throughout these calculators. I think it is because the ABA that settled in southern Italy during the early to middle bronze-age were a Mycenaean-like people that developed independently of the actual Mycenaeans in Greece. Though there's also been a long history of Greek and Balkan migration into southern Italy too. So some could be actual Mycenaean. They also were affected by the same Bronze-age movements.

[Regio X]

@Duarte
I'm using a smartphone with Android, and your images don't show up here.

@Jovialis
Agreed.

[Duarte]

@Duarte
I'm using a smartphone with Android, and your images don't show up here.
@Jovialis
Agreed.

Thank you by the feedback Regio.
It seems like we are fighting a battle with technology and we are losing. We need to get some help from a teenager, LOL.
I use the iPhone with IOS 12.2 and all images are showing up. Help us Bill Gates and Steve Jobs (R.I.P). LOL
Big Hugs to all :)

[Sverker]

Wow thats amazing! How did you get that picture?

[Duarte]

Wow thats amazing! How did you get that picture?

Hi Sverker.
Upload your autossomal data raw (Family Tree DNA - FTDNA, Ancestry.com, 23andMe, Myheritage) for free at https://mytrueancestry.com/ that you will obtain a simplified map of your ancient ancestry. See the first post of this thread (# 1) maked by Dibran with all explanations.
Big Hug :)

[Salento]

Not all images are web friendly.
A quick way to optimize your images for the web:

http://www.simpleimageresizer.com/image-optimizer

(besides the fact that you’ll save me tons of data-usage + money on my mobile-network)

[Salento]

Im having so much fun reading results from this calculator. It's seriously the most interesting one I've ever seen and I've been waiting impatiently for one that can compare you to ancient Greeks, Romans and (hopefully it has them) Egyptians

out of curiosity:
Can everybody see this: ☥ ?
It’s not a pic, is the html code for Ankh, used in ancient Egypt as a symbol of life.
just ✍ wondering ☻