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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    He is tought to be Terentius Neo (Neo=New, a new migrant I suppose), a baker of Samnite descent migrated to Pompei with his wife.


    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrato_de_Paquio_Próculo
    It's true Pax. Very similar. Very nice :)




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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    Amazing Who is the one in the painting?. Very in that line but straight hair, eyes not so almond.
    As Pax said ... :)

    that’s the inspiration, but now is a new Carusu:
    new hair, new nose, cavities, and eyes as for your Vision.


    But you oh Messapo, Tamer of Horses ... that no one, with neither iron nor fire can break down! “Virgil”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    As Pax said ... :)

    that’s the inspiration, but now is a new Carusu:
    new hair and eyes.

    The new Carusu is younger and happier. ;)


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    He looks like a less good looking version of Gino D'Accampo, accomplished and sexy chef from Napoli who is a BIG hit in Britain, especially with the ladies. :)



    If I had to pick one of the "THE" Most Iconic Italian looks, this would be it.

    Here he is tanned:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    As Pax said ... :)

    that’s the inspiration, but now is a new Carusu:
    new hair, new nose, cavities, and eyes as for your Vision.


    Very very close. The nose is very successful, sharp towards the chin, super, but the essence of Angela's cook goes around a lot, the nose does not. but that face yes, but in Carusu something less wide. Very very close to the vision of the oracle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    O.K. I'm going to officially ask for my money back. :)

    My husband gets this:
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    And I get nothing, nada, bupkis. ERRR!

    I’m sure they’ll add many new samples soon, they must be working on it.

    whom ever gets R850 (Carusu) has a connection with a very young Rome, besides being awesome :)

    your other half should be proud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    Very very close. The nose is very successful, sharp towards the chin, super, but the essence of Angela's cook goes around a lot, the nose does not. but that face yes, but in Carusu something less wide. Very very close to the vision of the oracle.
    Thanks again Carlos :)
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    Any other question? The oracle is still open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    It's true Pax. Very similar. Very nice :)


    what are they holding in their hands?

    a Diploma? a Title? - a Pen and Tablet? a Musical Instrument?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    Any other question? The oracle is still open.




    what are they holding in their hands?

    a Diploma? a Title? - a Pen and Tablet? a Musical Instrument? Is she smoking something?

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    It must be a pen she and a contract him. They had made a good contract and wanted to give a vision of themselves as good, serious and honest entrepreneurs, I imagine. It is more deduction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    It must be a pen she and a contract him. They had made a good contract and wanted to give a vision of themselves as good, serious and honest entrepreneurs, I imagine. It is more deduction
    They can’t be Monarchic, but they were making good Denarius with the Bakery, and they’re saying:
    “We too are the Elite“, ... nothing wrong with that :)

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    Many of you don’t know that Carusu is been heavily under attack on multiple Forums.

    His DNA has challenged the Status Quo idea of conformity.

    ... think Bigger.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Very cool, Angela. Congratulations to your husband, and "Have Caesar." :) Before I visiting Pompeii ruins, I wrote the word "Ave" without the "h", like in Portuguese. But there, when I entered in a house that was written "Have" with "h" on the entrance, I always write "Have" with "h" whenever I am quoting in Latin.


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    Duarte, I finally found that sample on my list: Just look at that pathetic number.


    57. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 18.63 - R850 - (Click for more info)
    Top 94% match vs all users +

    My husband is never, never going to let me hear the end of it.

    We have had a feud going since we met as to who is more "real Italian". Maybe you'd have to be Italian to get it. :)

    Then the results came out with the Mycenaeans, his heroes, and he shared ancestry with them. His ancestry says:

    Ancient Greek + Hellenic Roman (6.185)

    Now his third best match with ancients is with a Latin tribe.


    This has been, as Alexander would say " a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad, day". :)

    Last edited by Angela; 11-11-19 at 04:42.

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    Quote Originally Posted by salento View Post
    what are they holding in their hands?

    A diploma? A title? - a pen and tablet? A musical instrument?
    "instrumenta scriptoria".

    Basically, the couple pretended to be of a higher social rank than that to which they actually belonged.


    il ritratto suo e della moglie in atteggiamento di intellettuali, esibenti gli instrumenta scriptoria sarebbe allora segno di una moda, per la quale un ceto di parvenus, avvezzo ad impiegar lo stilo piuttosto per far di conto che per scrivere opere (3), amava usurpare atteggiamenti ed iconografe dell'aristocrazia, facendosi rappresentare con i simboli degli otia litterarum. Un'analisi del volto di terentius neo, che sarebbe certo piaciuta a lombroso, ne ha riconosciuta tratti di rusticitas, "tipicamente sannitici" zigomi alti, labbra carnose, grandi occhi scuri, incarnato abbronzato e perfino di astuzia da commerciante o da contadino nello sguardo, che confermerebbero trattarsi non di un vero intellettuale, bensì di un uomo rozzo, appunto un panettiere (4). Ma si confondono così le umili origini, o la modesta agiatezza raggiunta dal nostro, con le doti intellettuali, e si dimenticano altresì i due catoni ed i molti giuristi e letterati romani (per non parlare di alcuni moderni!) che, nonostante la loro cultura, dovevano essere di catoniana rusticitas nell'aspetto e nei modi, come i ritratti dell'epoca tante volte confermano.
    http://www1.unipa.it/dipstdir/portal.../terentius.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Many of you don’t know that Carusu is been heavily under attack on multiple Forums.

    His DNA has challenged the Status Quo idea of conformity.

    ... think Bigger.



    Let me guess...he's too "southern" for them?

    He's a member of a Latin tribe. Some of them were a bit more Southern already.

    Big Whoops.

    The facts are what they are people; sane people throw discredited ideas into the rubbish heap.

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    I have realized that the numbers within the colored circles could be the numbers of the samples, they seemed to me numbers without more coordinates of you go to know what.


    But well, if that were the case, I painted what I thought was my coincidences with Etruscan and Latin for my segments.

    Well, I'm going to sleep at 5:11 in the morning, this being a night owl ...

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    @Salento,

    They're hung up on this, I take it?



    What is the mystery here? I don't even want to know what fantastical theories they're concocting. What could be simpler? There was already CHG/Iran Neo in the Italian Neolithic. No, we don't see it in the few Copper Age Samples, but again, I doubt they disappeared. Then, if my hunch is right, we had that ancestry in the southern part of the mainland in increased proportions already, probably, if I'm right, from the Bronze Age. What could be simpler than an admixture between that "cluster" or type of ancestry and the Italics, who probably had some already from admixture with Italian Neolithic people?

    We'll have to wait to get samples from Bronze Age Italy from all over the mainland, but is anyone going to seriously question that it's probably it was there since it was already in Sardinia and Sicily?

    Honestly, what a tempest in a teapot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    @Salento,

    They're hung up on this, I take it?



    What is the mystery here? I don't even want to know what fantastical theories they're concocting. What could be simpler? There was already CHG/Iran Neo in the Italian Neolithic. No, we don't see it in the few Copper Age Samples, but again, I doubt they disappeared. Then, if my hunch is right, we had that ancestry in the southern part of the mainland in increased proportions already, probably, if I'm right, from the Bronze Age. What could be simpler than an admixture between that "cluster" or type of ancestry and the Italics, who probably had some already from admixture with Italian Neolithic people?

    We'll have to wait to get samples from Bronze Age Italy from all over the mainland, but is anyone going to seriously question that it's probably it was there since it was already in Sardinia and Sicily?

    Honestly, what a tempest in a teapot.
    It’s also because most Iron Age samples found are R1b, only two aren’t: R850 (T-L208) and R474 (J-M12).

    https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...Antonio_SM.pdf

    Chances are that T-L208 and others T lines entered Italy with the R1bs, and some even before that. It could have also come with the Mycenaeans, the Greeks, and later with the Lombards, ...

    Many are unfamiliar with y T ‘cause of its low % ratio, and when discovered people often act surprise, even though the Parent line of T-L208 was found in a 7000 burial in Karsdorf (DE).

    y T is rare but widespread, and it has Europeans, Asian, MENA, ... lines, but many people picture only one line, and when found some people assume, others freak out instead, lol :)



    https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki...M184_tree.png#
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    Thanks Pax, interesting the show-off part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    what are they holding in their hands?

    a Diploma? a Title? - a Pen and Tablet? a Musical Instrument?
    Good morning Salento.

    Sorry for the delay in replying. I will quote a saying from Minas Gerais (typical of my state, Minas Gerais). "I sleep with the chickens and I wake up with them.” It means that I sleep very early and also wake up very early. LOL.

    Only now have I seen your question.

    This is the explanations of Wikipedia in Spanish:

    The Portrait of Paquio Próculo is a painting that is preserved in the National Archaeological Museum of Naples and was found in the House of Pansa during the archaeological excavations of Pompeii. The painting shows a marriage of the Pompeian bourgeois and, due to an inscription on the outside of the house the painting was known as Paquio Próculo and his wife. But, in reality he is the baker Terencio Neo. This was revealed by a graffiti discovered inside the house. The external inscription would be an announcement of electoral propaganda in favor of Paquio Próculo to be elected Duoviro of Pompeii (something like a Roman Consul of the colonies).



    The baker, who owned the pistrinum (bakery) on the “Abundance road”, appears in the painting wearing his robe, a symbol of his status as a Roman citizen. His physical features indicate that he is a man of Samnite origin, a descendant of the original inhabitants of the region, which would explain the desire to show the social status to which it belongs. In fact, the represented man holds a papyrus scroll while the woman has a wooden tablet covered with a layer of waxin in her hand and a estilo (a type of pen of the time) to write, suggesting the man participates in public or cultural activity while his wife took care the administration of the house and business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Duarte, I finally found that sample on my list: Just look at that pathetic number.


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    My husband is never, never going to let me hear the end of it.

    We have had a feud going since we met as to who is more "real Italian". Maybe you'd have to be Italian to get it. :)

    Then the results came out with the Mycenaeans, his heroes, and he shared ancestry with them. His ancestry says:

    Ancient Greek + Hellenic Roman (6.185)

    Now his third best match with ancients is with a Latin tribe.


    This has been, as Alexander would say " a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad, day". :)

    LOL. Hello Angela, good morning.
    There is no reason for disputes. You two are real Italians. I believe that nowadays technology sometimes leads us to hasty conclusions about how people behaved over 2000 years ago. Probably the descendants of Etruscan, Latin, and Greek who lived in ancient Rome were all Roman citizens, spoke the same native language, Latin, and perhaps a little Greek, lived in perfect harmony and were physically very similar. They did not see themselves as different, but as equal. We modern men are trying to differentiate them by DNA when, in fact, they didn’t see any difference between themselves, whether in appearance, linguistic or cultural. They were all Romans.
    Cheers :)

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    I consider the matches with these samples only as overlaps, considering that the ancient Iberians also received genetic inflows from central Europe throughout history. I don't see myself as descending from Etruscans, Lombards or Latinos (Romans) from central Italy. But I find all of this a lot of fun and I'm enjoying it a lot.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    LOL. Hello Angela, good morning.
    There is no reason for disputes. You two are real Italians. I believe that nowadays technology sometimes leads us to hasty conclusions about how people behaved over 2000 years ago. Probably the descendants of Etruscan, Latin, and Greek who lived in ancient Rome were all Roman citizens, spoke the same native language, Latin, and perhaps a little Greek, lived in perfect harmony and were physically very similar. They did not see themselves as different, but as equal. We modern men are trying to differentiate them by DNA when, in fact, they didn’t see any difference between themselves, whether in appearance, linguistic or cultural. They were all Romans.
    Cheers :)
    Salve, my friend.

    You're absolutely right. Would that all people in this hobby had your sensibility. :)

    I should have perhaps made clear that our "feud" is one of my husband's ways of teasing me. I've now spent the greater part of my life here in the U.S., surrounded by Southern Italians like my husband who are aghast that I wasn't born knowing how to make cavatelli or arancini, and can't understand them when they speak dialect. The running joke was that I didn't know these things because I had too much "German" or "French" in me. Combined with that I've been told incessantly by "Americans" that I, and my family, don't "look" Italian. So, I got a little sensitive about it. My sense of my Italian identity, instilled in me by my very patriotic father, and something to which I clung after coming here, is important to me. So, I get a little aggravated when he teases me about this stuff, among the many other things he teases me about.

    I recently took that darn ancestrydna test which says I'm 45% French. My husband teased me about that for days. He has always liked to goad me to see me lose my temper, God knows why, when it's the part of myself I like least. He says he likes to see the sparks fly.

    This also goes on all over Italy, however. We call it "campanilismo", for bell tower. It's about attachment to one's own area. My province is better than yours, my city is better than yours, etc. The people of Siena profess to "hate" the Florentines because of the war with them in the Middle Ages, while they are both Tuscans. Each city in Tuscany, in all Northern Italy, has its history as an independent city state at war with all the others during the Middle Ages, so these grudges are still talked about, although tongue in cheek and humorously most of the time. For some reason, the Pisans seem to get the worst of it. A common phrase is "Meglio un morto in casa che un Pisano all'uscito". Better a dead man in the house than a Pisan at the door. :)

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