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    Here is what I get for the Iron age samples:

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    So, based on what we see here, Protovillanovan looks to have arrived by way of the western Balkans, or both Italy and the western Balkans were impacted by the same group, perhaps Hungarian Bronze Age related?

    Some Bell Beaker in there as well, perhaps more in the Etruscans?

    All of that is still fuzzy to me.

    We really, really need Bronze Age samples from northern Italy.

    @Salento,
    Very strange how they crowd up the maps with duplicates of the same samples.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Here is what I get for the Iron age samples:
    My Iron Age:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    So, based on what we see here, Protovillanovan looks to have arrived by way of the western Balkans, or both Italy and the western Balkans were impacted by the same group, perhaps Hungarian Bronze Age related?
    Some Bell Beaker in there as well, perhaps more in the Etruscans?
    All of that is still fuzzy to me.
    We really, really need Bronze Age samples from northern Italy.
    @Salento,
    Very strange how they crowd up the maps with duplicates of the same samples.
    I noticed that my duplicates are also Deep-Dive matches.

    I don’t get any duplicates of the latest Romans on older uploads.

    I often re-upload the r-data when MTA adds new samples or features.

    Deep Dives only get updated by re-loading the r-data :)

    Old upload:


    New upload:

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    Bronze age
    The order is random as I found the images, since replicas with such large quotas make the work difficult of pics selection.

    It is very likely that you have obtained segments of the new samples. The penultimate time with Prenestini happened when I deleted and reloaded the file, but then I lose other old segments like Bell Beaker and it can't be, they should solve this for a better understanding of the whole.

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    @Carlos when we refresh or re-upload, we often gain or lose some samples, sometimes even after 1 hour or so.

    old Kit refreshed: Bronze


    new Kit re-upload: Bronze

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @Carlos when we re-upload, we often gain or lose some samples:

    old Bronze


    new Bronze
    Salento, to reupload do you have to use up another "kit" of the, what, 10 we got?

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    Ok. These are all the new samples from the Antonio et al paper for which I get hits.

    I bolded the Imperial Roman samples and checked those scores against my husband's.

    3. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 6.017 - R60 - (Click for more info)
    Top 99% match vs all users

    4. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 6.279 - R1 - (Click for more info)
    Top 99% match vs all users

    6. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 8.294 - R107 - (Click for more info)
    Top 99% match vs all users

    My husband gets 14.11

    9. Imperial Rome Marche CN (165 AD) ..... 9.778 - R835 - (Click for more info)
    Top 99% match vs all users
    My husband gets 15.78

    14. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 10.45 - NS3c - ? (Click for more info)

    18. Imperial Rome San Ercolano (100 AD) ..... 10.85 - R117 - (Click for more info)
    Top 99% match vs all users
    My husband gets 11.59

    19. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 10.87 - R59 - (Click for more info)
    Top 99% match vs all users

    34. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (860 AD) ..... 13.64 - R1283 - (Click for more info)
    Top 99% match vs all users

    32. Imperial Rome Centocelle (200 AD) ..... 13.0 - R51 - (Click for more info)
    Top 98% match vs all users
    My husband gets 11.28

    33. Imperial Rome Centocelle (282 AD) ..... 13.49 - R47 - (Click for more info)
    Top 98% match vs all users
    My husband gets 13.64

    38. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP (100 AD) ..... 14.03 - R111 - (Click for more info)
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    40. Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello (100 AD) ..... 14.17 - R114 - (Click for more info)
    Top 94% match vs all users

    My husband gets 5.98

    41. Justinian Plague Victim (760 AD) ..... 14.21 - LSD021 - ? (Click for more info)
    Top 98% match vs all users

    44. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1100 AD) ..... 14.66 - R58 - (Click for more info)
    Top 96% match vs all users

    51. Imperial Rome Marche CN (165 AD) ..... 15.14 - R836 - (Click for more info)
    Top 99% match vs all users

    So, we do share a few, and the distances aren't that different, except for one hit for Via Paisiello, where he gets a very close hit.

    I'm going to refresh my recollection of the cemeteries and the individual samples for some patterns.

    This program is turning out to be very helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Salento, to reupload do you have to use up another "kit" of the, what, 10 we got?
    Yes, if you go over the limit, just delete an older outdated Kit.

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    I did it and there were results of the latest samples added.









    Last edited by Carlos; 16-11-19 at 22:43.

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    reload: (R850 - Latin Tribe - Iron Age - Carusu) 100% Closer ...




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    I get 100x100 compared to other users with Prenestini



    Vasconic Tribe Empuries (275 BC) (4.092)
    Roman Era Girona (80 AD) (4.845)
    Carolingian (790 AD) (5.824)
    Vasconic Tribe (275 BC) (5.831)
    Celtibertian Mix (275 BC) (6.001)

    1. Spanish_Cantabria (15.10)
    2. Southwest_French (16.65)
    3. Spanish_Aragon (16.80)
    4. Spanish_Cataluna (17.32)
    5. Spanish_Basque (17.60)
    6. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (17.80)
    7. French_Basque (17.81)
    8. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (18.04)






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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    reload: (R850 - Latin Tribe - Iron Age - Carusu) 100% Closer ...



    Carusu in action:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Carusu in action:

    Good job Duarte, big sword,

    for a moment I saw Neymar turning into Carusu :)

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    @Salento

    Here is a sample that we get exclusively; at least based on surveying the results in the thread:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    @Salento

    Here is a sample that we get exclusively; at least based on surveying the results in the thread:

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    I didn't paste all of my husband's matches. He gets that sample too, although at a slightly bigger distance, so that makes three of you. :)

    49. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PS (300 BC) ..... 17.02 - R437 - (Click for more info)
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    I re-uploaded my ancestry dna data. (Thanks for the tip, Salento) I can understand why these new samples didn't show up on the old runs, but why did I lose all that sharing with Scythian Moldova? Odd.

    You have ancient relatives! (you share identified DNA segments)Info


    Protovillanovia Martinsicuro


    930 BC


    R1





    mtDNA: U5a2b
    Total cM=63.76
    Largest segment=48.54 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 94) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

    Chr. 8

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    Chr. 16

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    Medieval Cancelleria Basilica


    860 AD


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    mtDNA: H12Y-DNA: J-M12
    Total cM=12.77
    Largest segment=12.77 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 56) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

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    12.77 cM









    Imperial Rome Centocelle


    200 AD


    R51





    mtDNA: U3b1
    Total cM=24.07
    Largest segment=11.4 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 54) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

    Chr. 6

    7.23 cM










    Chr. 15

    5.43 cM










    Chr. 20

    11.4 cM









    Medieval Iberian


    670 AD


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    mtDNA: HV1a1aY-DNA: T1a
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    Largest segment=9.59 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 45) - Your raw DNA is
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    Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi


    500 AD


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    mtDNA: T2hY-DNA: E-V13
    Total cM=9.09
    Largest segment=9.09 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 69) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

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    9.09 cM









    Illyrian / Dalmatian


    1600 BC


    I4331





    mtDNA: I1a1Y-DNA: J2b2a
    Total cM=9.08
    Largest segment=9.08 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 36) - Your raw DNA is
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    Chr. 19

    9.08 cM









    Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello


    100 AD


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    mtDNA: U1b1
    Total cM=14.16
    Largest segment=8.43 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 61) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

    Chr. 6

    8.43 cM










    Chr. 13

    5.73 cM









    Imperial Rome Centocelle


    282 AD


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    mtDNA: J1c1cY-DNA: G-M406
    Total cM=13.22
    Largest segment=7.81 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 60) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

    Chr. 1

    5.4 cM










    Chr. 6

    7.81 cM









    Medieval Villa Magna Italy


    905 AD


    R60





    mtDNA: T2c1
    Total cM=7.39
    Largest segment=7.39 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 77) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

    Chr. 15

    7.39 cM









    Medieval Villa Magna Italy


    1100 AD


    R58





    mtDNA: H1c3Y-DNA: R-Z306
    Total cM=5.6
    Largest segment=5.6 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 70) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

    Chr. 1

    5.6 cM









    Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP


    100 AD


    R111





    mtDNA: HY-DNA: R-PF7589
    Total cM=5.33
    Largest segment=5.33 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 38) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

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    5.33 cM









    Central Roman


    670 AD


    CL121





    mtDNA: T2bY-DNA: R1b
    Total cM=10.65
    Largest segment=5.14 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 19) - Your raw DNA is
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    Chr. 7

    1.75 cM










    Chr. 10

    3.75 cM










    Chr. 19

    5.14 cM









    Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese


    670 AD


    CL30





    mtDNA: I1bY-DNA: R1b
    Total cM=3.74
    Largest segment=3.74 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 19) - Your raw DNA is
    15
    % closer than other matching users


    Chr. 8

    3.74 cM









    Scythian Southern Moldova


    290 BC


    scy300





    mtDNA: H5
    Total cM=2.76
    Largest segment=2.76 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 27) - Your raw DNA is
    16
    % closer than other matching users


    Chr. 7

    2.76 cM









    Scythian Moldova


    290 BC


    scy311





    mtDNA: T2b
    Total cM=5.11
    Largest segment=2.57 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 23) - Your raw DNA is
    62
    % closer than other matching users


    Chr. 3

    2.54 cM










    Chr. 5

    2.57 cM









    Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate


    1050 AD


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    mtDNA: H3Y-DNA: J2a
    Total cM=2.54
    Largest segment=2.54 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 31) - Your raw DNA is
    59
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    Chr. 4

    2.54 cM









    Central Roman / Mixed


    590 AD


    SZ19





    mtDNA: HV9c
    Total cM=5.91
    Largest segment=2.24 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is
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    Chr. 3

    2.24 cM










    Chr. 17

    3.67 cM













    Scythian Southern Moldova


    270 BC


    scy192





    mtDNA: H8c
    Total cM=2.07
    Largest segment=2.07 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 21) - Your raw DNA is
    11
    % closer than other matching users


    Chr. 15

    2.07 cM









    Central Roman


    590 AD


    SZ32





    mtDNA: H74 ?
    Total cM=1.86
    Largest segment=1.86 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is
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    Chr. 15

    1.86 cM









    Hellenic Roman / Cretan


    670 AD


    CL38





    mtDNA: X2Y-DNA: E1b
    Total cM=1.79
    Largest segment=1.79 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is
    33
    % closer than other matching users


    Chr. 22

    1.79 cM









    I keep having to remind myself that sharing some IBD doesn't necessarily equate to overall similarity. A lot of these are a pretty far genetic distance for me, although not the Protovillanovan.

    Ed. Wait. That Latin Prenestini sample 437 shows up on my map but not on my list of ancient samples. Why?


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    Someone can get a map but of current Italy with the marks of where these sites are, Prenestini, Ardea, e.t.c. and Rome to have a visualization of the area and distance but on a current political map. I need to have that vision of the old with the modern or the modern to see it more clearly.


    /Angela download the "PicPick"/

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    I just learned that the Etruscans criticized us a lot out there. But you know one thing: We didn't care lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    R437 Latin Prenestini Tribe 300 BC is my 3rd highest segment sharing on Deep Dive.

    I speculate that he’s a kind of “Ancestral Father” :) and many of my Roman matches get a piece of him.

    I lowered the Deep Dive map setting to my R437 values (min cm 29):


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    Based on my observations of the results in the thread,

    North Italians have an affinity to Proto-Villanovans

    Iberians have an affinity to Etruscans, and the Latin samples that are similar to Etruscans.

    South Italians have an affinity to the "Southern" Latin Samples

    With Ardea Latini having an affinity to all three, but closest to South Italians.


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    No, guys, I mean that Prenestini shows up on my Republic Era map, and Etruscan Civitavechhia on my Iron Age map along with one of the Ardea samples, but neither shows up on my list of ancient samples.

    Odd, yes?

    Could it possibly be because my 60th match is 15.63, and these were higher, or is there another explanation?




    Very cool graphic, Salento. :

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