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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    reload: (R850 - Latin Tribe - Iron Age - Carusu) 100% Closer ...



    Carusu in action:

    “Às vezes ouço passar o vento; e só de ouvir o vento passar, vale a pena ter nascido”.
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    Carusu in action:

    Good job Duarte, big sword,

    for a moment I saw Neymar turning into Carusu :)

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    @Salento

    Here is a sample that we get exclusively; at least based on surveying the results in the thread:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    @Salento

    Here is a sample that we get exclusively; at least based on surveying the results in the thread:

    28. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PS (300 BC) ..... 15.26 - R437 - (Click for more info)
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    I didn't paste all of my husband's matches. He gets that sample too, although at a slightly bigger distance, so that makes three of you. :)

    49. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PS (300 BC) ..... 17.02 - R437 - (Click for more info)
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    I re-uploaded my ancestry dna data. (Thanks for the tip, Salento) I can understand why these new samples didn't show up on the old runs, but why did I lose all that sharing with Scythian Moldova? Odd.

    You have ancient relatives! (you share identified DNA segments)Info


    Protovillanovia Martinsicuro


    930 BC


    R1





    mtDNA: U5a2b
    Total cM=63.76
    Largest segment=48.54 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 94) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

    Chr. 8

    15.22 cM










    Chr. 16

    48.54 cM









    Medieval Cancelleria Basilica


    860 AD


    R1283





    mtDNA: H12Y-DNA: J-M12
    Total cM=12.77
    Largest segment=12.77 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 56) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

    Chr. 20

    12.77 cM









    Imperial Rome Centocelle


    200 AD


    R51





    mtDNA: U3b1
    Total cM=24.07
    Largest segment=11.4 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 54) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

    Chr. 6

    7.23 cM










    Chr. 15

    5.43 cM










    Chr. 20

    11.4 cM









    Medieval Iberian


    670 AD


    CL23





    mtDNA: HV1a1aY-DNA: T1a
    Total cM=9.59
    Largest segment=9.59 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 45) - Your raw DNA is
    20
    % closer than other matching users


    Chr. 20

    9.59 cM









    Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi


    500 AD


    R107





    mtDNA: T2hY-DNA: E-V13
    Total cM=9.09
    Largest segment=9.09 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 69) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

    Chr. 6

    9.09 cM









    Illyrian / Dalmatian


    1600 BC


    I4331





    mtDNA: I1a1Y-DNA: J2b2a
    Total cM=9.08
    Largest segment=9.08 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 36) - Your raw DNA is
    8
    % closer than other matching users


    Chr. 19

    9.08 cM









    Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello


    100 AD


    R114





    mtDNA: U1b1
    Total cM=14.16
    Largest segment=8.43 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 61) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

    Chr. 6

    8.43 cM










    Chr. 13

    5.73 cM









    Imperial Rome Centocelle


    282 AD


    R47





    mtDNA: J1c1cY-DNA: G-M406
    Total cM=13.22
    Largest segment=7.81 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 60) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

    Chr. 1

    5.4 cM










    Chr. 6

    7.81 cM









    Medieval Villa Magna Italy


    905 AD


    R60





    mtDNA: T2c1
    Total cM=7.39
    Largest segment=7.39 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 77) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

    Chr. 15

    7.39 cM









    Medieval Villa Magna Italy


    1100 AD


    R58





    mtDNA: H1c3Y-DNA: R-Z306
    Total cM=5.6
    Largest segment=5.6 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 70) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

    Chr. 1

    5.6 cM









    Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP


    100 AD


    R111





    mtDNA: HY-DNA: R-PF7589
    Total cM=5.33
    Largest segment=5.33 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 38) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

    Chr. 6

    5.33 cM









    Central Roman


    670 AD


    CL121





    mtDNA: T2bY-DNA: R1b
    Total cM=10.65
    Largest segment=5.14 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 19) - Your raw DNA is
    71
    % closer than other matching users


    Chr. 7

    1.75 cM










    Chr. 10

    3.75 cM










    Chr. 19

    5.14 cM









    Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese


    670 AD


    CL30





    mtDNA: I1bY-DNA: R1b
    Total cM=3.74
    Largest segment=3.74 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 19) - Your raw DNA is
    15
    % closer than other matching users


    Chr. 8

    3.74 cM









    Scythian Southern Moldova


    290 BC


    scy300





    mtDNA: H5
    Total cM=2.76
    Largest segment=2.76 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 27) - Your raw DNA is
    16
    % closer than other matching users


    Chr. 7

    2.76 cM









    Scythian Moldova


    290 BC


    scy311





    mtDNA: T2b
    Total cM=5.11
    Largest segment=2.57 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 23) - Your raw DNA is
    62
    % closer than other matching users


    Chr. 3

    2.54 cM










    Chr. 5

    2.57 cM









    Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate


    1050 AD


    I12515





    mtDNA: H3Y-DNA: J2a
    Total cM=2.54
    Largest segment=2.54 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 31) - Your raw DNA is
    59
    % closer than other matching users


    Chr. 4

    2.54 cM









    Central Roman / Mixed


    590 AD


    SZ19





    mtDNA: HV9c
    Total cM=5.91
    Largest segment=2.24 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is
    74
    % closer than other matching users


    Chr. 3

    2.24 cM










    Chr. 17

    3.67 cM













    Scythian Southern Moldova


    270 BC


    scy192





    mtDNA: H8c
    Total cM=2.07
    Largest segment=2.07 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 21) - Your raw DNA is
    11
    % closer than other matching users


    Chr. 15

    2.07 cM









    Central Roman


    590 AD


    SZ32





    mtDNA: H74 ?
    Total cM=1.86
    Largest segment=1.86 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is
    5
    % closer than other matching users


    Chr. 15

    1.86 cM









    Hellenic Roman / Cretan


    670 AD


    CL38





    mtDNA: X2Y-DNA: E1b
    Total cM=1.79
    Largest segment=1.79 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is
    33
    % closer than other matching users


    Chr. 22

    1.79 cM









    I keep having to remind myself that sharing some IBD doesn't necessarily equate to overall similarity. A lot of these are a pretty far genetic distance for me, although not the Protovillanovan.

    Ed. Wait. That Latin Prenestini sample 437 shows up on my map but not on my list of ancient samples. Why?



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    Someone can get a map but of current Italy with the marks of where these sites are, Prenestini, Ardea, e.t.c. and Rome to have a visualization of the area and distance but on a current political map. I need to have that vision of the old with the modern or the modern to see it more clearly.


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    cM 121.15



    I just learned that the Etruscans criticized us a lot out there. But you know one thing: We didn't care lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    R437 Latin Prenestini Tribe 300 BC is my 3rd highest segment sharing on Deep Dive.

    I speculate that he’s a kind of “Ancestral Father” :) and many of my Roman matches get a piece of him.

    I lowered the Deep Dive map setting to my R437 values (min cm 29):


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    Based on my observations of the results in the thread,

    North Italians have an affinity to Proto-Villanovans

    Iberians have an affinity to Etruscans, and the Latin samples that are similar to Etruscans.

    South Italians have an affinity to the "Southern" Latin Samples

    With Ardea Latini having an affinity to all three, but closest to South Italians.


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    No, guys, I mean that Prenestini shows up on my Republic Era map, and Etruscan Civitavechhia on my Iron Age map along with one of the Ardea samples, but neither shows up on my list of ancient samples.

    Odd, yes?

    Could it possibly be because my 60th match is 15.63, and these were higher, or is there another explanation?




    Very cool graphic, Salento. :

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    Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 11.55 - I3313 - (Click for more info)
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    Latin Tribe Inland BE (650 BC) ..... 15.3 - R1021 - (Click for more info)
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    Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 17.98 - R851 - (Click for more info)
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    Latin Tribe Castel di Decima (800 BC) ..... 18.3 - R1016 - (Click for more info)
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    Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PC (400 BC) ..... 17.47 - R435 - (Click for more info)
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    Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP (100 AD) ..... 16.29 - R111 - (Click for more info)
    Celtoiberian Outlier Roman Empire VP (100 AD) ..... 16.95 - R116 - (Click for more info)
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    Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.34 - SZ28 - ? (Click for more info)
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    Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 16.59 - SZ45 - (Click for more info)
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    Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 16.93 - CL36 - ? (Click for more info)
    Top 88% match vs all users
    Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) ..... 17.24 - CL47 - ? (Click for more info)
    Top 47% match vs all users
    North Central Lombard (670 AD) ..... 18.48 - CL63 - ? (Click for more info)
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    Swiss Germanic (670 AD) ..... 18.85 - CL102 - ? (Click for more info)
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    Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 19.29 - SZ18 - (Click for more info)
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    Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (1429 AD) ..... 12.69 - R1287 - (Click for more info)
    Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (860 AD) ..... 17.8 - R1283 - (Click for more info)
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    After and before Rome. An increase of R1a and J is observed. In mitochondrial increase in K, H and U






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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    No, guys, I mean that Prenestini shows up on my Republic Era map, and Etruscan Civitavechhia on my Iron Age map along with one of the Ardea samples, but neither shows up on my list of ancient samples.

    Odd, yes?

    Could it possibly be because my 60th match is 15.63, and these were higher, or is there another explanation?




    Very cool graphic, Salento. :
    I think that is exactly the reason.

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    Personally, I take them with a big grain of salt. Scythian Moldova is a good example. I sincerely doubt he is a full "Scythian". For me to get a 25.4 cm. "match", I bet the person had a whole bunch of Southeastern Balkan type farmer. Also, with that large cM "match", why is the genetic distance so much greater than with some other samples? I do realize they're measuring different things, but it's just odd, and someone unfamiliar with all this might get confused.
    It apears that many Scythian samples are Gelonians ... combinations of Greeks and Finnic Budinis.

    Screen Shot 2019-11-17 at 17.52.32.jpg

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    My family portrait values are unchanged:



    Top 10 (# 3 and 4 were my # 1 and 2):


    @Angela thanks, ... the R1 and R437 PCA images are snapshots of MTA 3-D Sample Analysis PCA :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mha View Post
    It apears that many Scythian samples are Gelonians ... combinations of Greeks and Finnic Budinis.

    Screen Shot 2019-11-17 at 17.52.32.jpg

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    Now I understand why sometimes I get Eskimo

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    My results have changed a lot, so I'm posting my new top 10 matches:

    1. Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello (100 AD) .... 10.14
    Top 98% match vs all users


    2. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 11.11
    Top 98% match vs all users


    3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.71
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    4. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.26
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    5. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 12.67
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    6. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 13.25
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    7. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 13.35
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    8. Hellenic Seleucid Anatolia (165 BC) ..... 13.67
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    9. Medieval Winchester Chapel Leper (1085 AD) ..... 13.78
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    10. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 13.96
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    Where did this Medieval Winchester Chapel come from???

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    mha,
    "to get a 25.4 cm. "match", I bet the person had a whole bunch of Southeastern Balkan type farmer"
    25 centimeters are not too many but really they correspond to the Balkan farmers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaschalisB View Post
    My results have changed a lot, so I'm posting my new top 10 matches:

    1. Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello (100 AD) .... 10.14
    Top 98% match vs all users


    2. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 11.11
    Top 98% match vs all users


    3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.71
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    4. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.26
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    5. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 12.67
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    6. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 13.25
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    7. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 13.35
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    8. Hellenic Seleucid Anatolia (165 BC) ..... 13.67
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    9. Medieval Winchester Chapel Leper (1085 AD) ..... 13.78
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    10. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 13.96
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    Where did this Medieval Winchester Chapel come from???
    If it isn't too much trouble, and if you have the time, could you add the sample numbers? :)

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    R114 my Top Match and Top shared DNA Segments:
    🤔 a Calabrese gets R114 as Top match too, hope he married well (I know he did :)




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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    Someone can get a map but of current Italy with the marks of where these sites are, Prenestini, Ardea, e.t.c. and Rome to have a visualization of the area and distance but on a current political map. I need to have that vision of the old with the modern or the modern to see it more clearly.
    I hope I haven't forgotten anything.

    Prenestini = Praeneste = modern-day Palestrina.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    After and before Rome. An increase of R1a and J is observed. In mitochondrial increase in K, H and U





    I don't think that R1a is "Slavic" R1a.

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    ^^
    To Pax Augusta

    I have downloaded the image

    Thank you very much, it's just what I needed to see. I would also like the same image but with the whole boot like this I get a perspective from afar.

    I take the post to see two Etruscan samples of mine and see that there is one that coincides twice with Carthage 473

    7. Etruscan Civitavecchia (650 BC) ..... 10.31 - R474
    Medieval Villa Magna Italy (990 AD) (4.463)
    Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 AD) (5.479)
    Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (5.576)
    Roman Soldier Germany (300 AD) (6.617)
    Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (600 BC) (8.192)

    24. Etruscan Civitavecchia (650 BC) ..... 13.64 - R473
    Villanovan Etruscan Italy VGG (850 BC) (8.651)
    Roman-Carthago Mix Iberia (80 AD) (9.162)
    Etruscan Civitavecchia (650 BC) (9.165)
    Carthago-Maghrebi Andalusia (1200 AD) (9.525)
    Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) (10.11)

    11. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (990 AD) ..... 11.72 - R63
    Etruscan Civitavecchia (650 BC) (4.463)
    Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 AD) (5.456)
    Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (5.682)
    Le Mans Revolutionary France (1793 AD) (6.673)
    Roman Soldier Germany (300 AD) (7.311)

    This sample R63 gathers all my main matches. Things are floating in my head, for myself I can't see things quickly and clearly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I don't think that R1a is "Slavic" R1a.
    No idea, I was waiting to see where R1a came from on the Europedia charts because I didn't remember it, but I forgot to look at it because I had been hearing for a decade or more just talking about the haplogroup lineages that now interested me most in the cocktail.

    I just searched it on wikipedia and there are different theories. I would not be surprised if it could be from Pakistan, India after a long journey to get here. I would bet on this hypothesis today.

    I just searched it on wikipedia and there are different hypotheses. Well, today I would bet on India-Pakistan recharged on a long trip could be: Iran Caucasus or vice versa, now I do not have time to look at the map which goes before and well it would reach Europe and there already, then to distribute.

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    my new matches up to 10.0

    1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 5.076 - R1 - (Click for more info)
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    2. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.332 - SZ28 - ? (Click for more info)
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    3. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 8.455 - OBS137 - ? (Click for more info)
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    4. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.937 - I3313 - (Click for more info)
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    5. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 9.695 - SZ36 - (Click for more info)
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    6. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 9.874 - CL36 - ? (Click for more info)
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    7. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 10.0 - scy197b - ? (Click for more info)
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    I3313 is a Liburnian as per the official paper and not a Dalmatian
    Fathers mtdna T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna T1a1e
    Sons mtdna K1a4o
    Mum paternal line R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line R1a-Z282

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