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[Duarte]

reload: (R850 - Latin Tribe - Iron Age - Carusu) 100% Closer ...

Carusu in action:

[Salento]

Carusu in action:

Good job Duarte, big sword,

for a moment I saw Neymar turning into Carusu :)

[Jovialis]

@Salento

Here is a sample that we get exclusively; at least based on surveying the results in the thread:

28. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PS (300 BC) ..... 15.26 - R437 - (Click for more info)
Top

98

% match vs all users

[Jovialis]

@Salento

Here is a sample that we get exclusively; at least based on surveying the results in the thread:

28. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PS (300 BC) ..... 15.26 - R437 - (Click for more info)
Top

98

% match vs all users

[Angela]

I didn't paste all of my husband's matches. He gets that sample too, although at a slightly bigger distance, so that makes three of you. :)

49. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PS (300 BC) ..... 17.02 - R437 - (Click for more info)
Top

95

% match vs all users

I re-uploaded my ancestry dna data. (Thanks for the tip, Salento) I can understand why these new samples didn't show up on the old runs, but why did I lose all that sharing with Scythian Moldova? Odd.

You have ancient relatives! (you share identified DNA segments)Info

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Protovillanovia Martinsicuro


930 BC


R1





mtDNA: U5a2b
Total cM=63.76
Largest segment=48.54 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 94) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

Chr. 8

15.22 cM










Chr. 16

48.54 cM

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Medieval Cancelleria Basilica


860 AD


R1283





mtDNA: H12Y-DNA: J-M12
Total cM=12.77
Largest segment=12.77 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 56) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

Chr. 20

12.77 cM

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Imperial Rome Centocelle


200 AD


R51





mtDNA: U3b1
Total cM=24.07
Largest segment=11.4 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 54) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

Chr. 6

7.23 cM










Chr. 15

5.43 cM










Chr. 20

11.4 cM

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Medieval Iberian


670 AD


CL23





mtDNA: HV1a1aY-DNA: T1a
Total cM=9.59
Largest segment=9.59 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 45) - Your raw DNA is

20

% closer than other matching users

Chr. 20

9.59 cM

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Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi


500 AD


R107





mtDNA: T2hY-DNA: E-V13
Total cM=9.09
Largest segment=9.09 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 69) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

Chr. 6

9.09 cM

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Illyrian / Dalmatian


1600 BC


I4331





mtDNA: I1a1Y-DNA: J2b2a
Total cM=9.08
Largest segment=9.08 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 36) - Your raw DNA is

8

% closer than other matching users

Chr. 19

9.08 cM

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Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello


100 AD


R114





mtDNA: U1b1
Total cM=14.16
Largest segment=8.43 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 61) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

Chr. 6

8.43 cM










Chr. 13

5.73 cM

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Imperial Rome Centocelle


282 AD


R47





mtDNA: J1c1cY-DNA: G-M406
Total cM=13.22
Largest segment=7.81 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 60) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

Chr. 1

5.4 cM










Chr. 6

7.81 cM

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Medieval Villa Magna Italy


905 AD


R60





mtDNA: T2c1
Total cM=7.39
Largest segment=7.39 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 77) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

Chr. 15

7.39 cM

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Medieval Villa Magna Italy


1100 AD


R58





mtDNA: H1c3Y-DNA: R-Z306
Total cM=5.6
Largest segment=5.6 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 70) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

Chr. 1

5.6 cM

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Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP


100 AD


R111





mtDNA: HY-DNA: R-PF7589
Total cM=5.33
Largest segment=5.33 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 38) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)

Chr. 6

5.33 cM

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Central Roman


670 AD


CL121





mtDNA: T2bY-DNA: R1b
Total cM=10.65
Largest segment=5.14 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 19) - Your raw DNA is

71

% closer than other matching users

Chr. 7

1.75 cM










Chr. 10

3.75 cM










Chr. 19

5.14 cM

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Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese


670 AD


CL30





mtDNA: I1bY-DNA: R1b
Total cM=3.74
Largest segment=3.74 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 19) - Your raw DNA is

15

% closer than other matching users

Chr. 8

3.74 cM

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Scythian Southern Moldova


290 BC


scy300





mtDNA: H5
Total cM=2.76
Largest segment=2.76 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 27) - Your raw DNA is

16

% closer than other matching users

Chr. 7

2.76 cM

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Scythian Moldova


290 BC


scy311





mtDNA: T2b
Total cM=5.11
Largest segment=2.57 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 23) - Your raw DNA is

62

% closer than other matching users

Chr. 3

2.54 cM










Chr. 5

2.57 cM

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Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate


1050 AD


I12515





mtDNA: H3Y-DNA: J2a
Total cM=2.54
Largest segment=2.54 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 31) - Your raw DNA is

59

% closer than other matching users

Chr. 4

2.54 cM

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Central Roman / Mixed


590 AD


SZ19





mtDNA: HV9c
Total cM=5.91
Largest segment=2.24 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is

74

% closer than other matching users

Chr. 3

2.24 cM










Chr. 17

3.67 cM

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Scythian Southern Moldova


270 BC


scy192





mtDNA: H8c
Total cM=2.07
Largest segment=2.07 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 21) - Your raw DNA is

11

% closer than other matching users

Chr. 15

2.07 cM

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Central Roman


590 AD


SZ32





mtDNA: H74 ?
Total cM=1.86
Largest segment=1.86 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is

5

% closer than other matching users

Chr. 15

1.86 cM

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Hellenic Roman / Cretan


670 AD


CL38





mtDNA: X2Y-DNA: E1b
Total cM=1.79
Largest segment=1.79 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is

33

% closer than other matching users

Chr. 22

1.79 cM

I keep having to remind myself that sharing some IBD doesn't necessarily equate to overall similarity. A lot of these are a pretty far genetic distance for me, although not the Protovillanovan.

Ed. Wait. That Latin Prenestini sample 437 shows up on my map but not on my list of ancient samples. Why?

[Carlos]

Someone can get a map but of current Italy with the marks of where these sites are, Prenestini, Ardea, e.t.c. and Rome to have a visualization of the area and distance but on a current political map. I need to have that vision of the old with the modern or the modern to see it more clearly.


/Angela download the "PicPick"/

cM 121.15



I just learned that the Etruscans criticized us a lot out there. But you know one thing: We didn't care lol

[Salento]

R437 Latin Prenestini Tribe 300 BC is my 3rd highest segment sharing on Deep Dive.

I speculate that he’s a kind of “Ancestral Father” :) and many of my Roman matches get a piece of him.

I lowered the Deep Dive map setting to my R437 values (min cm 29):


Zoom Default setting:

[Jovialis]

Based on my observations of the results in the thread,

North Italians have an affinity to Proto-Villanovans

Iberians have an affinity to Etruscans, and the Latin samples that are similar to Etruscans.

South Italians have an affinity to the "Southern" Latin Samples

With Ardea Latini having an affinity to all three, but closest to South Italians.

[Salento]

R1 Villanova Bronze Age Top 20 Ancient Matches:



R437 Latin Roman Republic Top 20 Ancient Matches:

[Angela]

No, guys, I mean that Prenestini shows up on my Republic Era map, and Etruscan Civitavechhia on my Iron Age map along with one of the Ardea samples, but neither shows up on my list of ancient samples.

Odd, yes?

Could it possibly be because my 60th match is 15.63, and these were higher, or is there another explanation?




Very cool graphic, Salento. :

[Duarte]

Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 11.55 - I3313 - (Click for more info)
Top 95% match vs all users






Latin Tribe Inland BE (650 BC) ..... 15.3 - R1021 - (Click for more info)
Top 99% match vs all users
Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 17.98 - R851 - (Click for more info)
Top 99% match vs all users
Latin Tribe Castel di Decima (800 BC) ..... 18.3 - R1016 - (Click for more info)
Top 99% match vs all users


Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PC (400 BC) ..... 17.47 - R435 - (Click for more info)
Top 98% match vs all users



Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP (100 AD) ..... 16.29 - R111 - (Click for more info)
Celtoiberian Outlier Roman Empire VP (100 AD) ..... 16.95 - R116 - (Click for more info)
Top 89% match vs all users







Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.34 - SZ28 - ? (Click for more info)
Top 96% match vs all users
Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 16.59 - SZ45 - (Click for more info)
Top 68% match vs all users
Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 16.93 - CL36 - ? (Click for more info)
Top 88% match vs all users
Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) ..... 17.24 - CL47 - ? (Click for more info)
Top 47% match vs all users
North Central Lombard (670 AD) ..... 18.48 - CL63 - ? (Click for more info)
Top 42% match vs all users
Swiss Germanic (670 AD) ..... 18.85 - CL102 - ? (Click for more info)
Top 40% match vs all users
Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 19.29 - SZ18 - (Click for more info)
Top 44% match vs all users



Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (1429 AD) ..... 12.69 - R1287 - (Click for more info)
Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (860 AD) ..... 17.8 - R1283 - (Click for more info)
Top 95% match vs all users

[Carlos]

After and before Rome. An increase of R1a and J is observed. In mitochondrial increase in K, H and U

[Jovialis]

No, guys, I mean that Prenestini shows up on my Republic Era map, and Etruscan Civitavechhia on my Iron Age map along with one of the Ardea samples, but neither shows up on my list of ancient samples.

Odd, yes?

Could it possibly be because my 60th match is 15.63, and these were higher, or is there another explanation?




Very cool graphic, Salento. :

I think that is exactly the reason.

[mha]

Personally, I take them with a big grain of salt. Scythian Moldova is a good example. I sincerely doubt he is a full "Scythian". For me to get a 25.4 cm. "match", I bet the person had a whole bunch of Southeastern Balkan type farmer. Also, with that large cM "match", why is the genetic distance so much greater than with some other samples? I do realize they're measuring different things, but it's just odd, and someone unfamiliar with all this might get confused.

It apears that many Scythian samples are Gelonians ... combinations of Greeks and Finnic Budinis.

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[Salento]

My family portrait values are unchanged:



Top 10 (# 3 and 4 were my # 1 and 2):


@Angela thanks, ... the R1 and R437 PCA images are snapshots of MTA 3-D Sample Analysis PCA :)

[Carlos]

It apears that many Scythian samples are Gelonians ... combinations of Greeks and Finnic Budinis.

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Now I understand why sometimes I get Eskimo

[PaschalisB]

My results have changed a lot, so I'm posting my new top 10 matches:

1. Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello (100 AD) .... 10.14
Top 98% match vs all users


2. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 11.11
Top 98% match vs all users


3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.71
Top 96% match vs all users


4. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.26
Top 97% m atch vs all users


5. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 12.67
Top 96% match vs all users


6. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 13.25
Top 95% match vs all users


7. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 13.35
Top 96% match vs all users


8. Hellenic Seleucid Anatolia (165 BC) ..... 13.67
Top 99% match vs all users


9. Medieval Winchester Chapel Leper (1085 AD) ..... 13.78
Top 96% match vs all users


10. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 13.96
Top 95% match vs all users

Where did this Medieval Winchester Chapel come from???

[tuț]

mha,

"to get a 25.4 cm. "match", I bet the person had a whole bunch of Southeastern Balkan type farmer"

25 centimeters are not too many but really they correspond to the Balkan farmers.

[Angela]

My results have changed a lot, so I'm posting my new top 10 matches:

1. Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello (100 AD) .... 10.14
Top 98% match vs all users


2. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 11.11
Top 98% match vs all users


3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.71
Top 96% match vs all users


4. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.26
Top 97% m atch vs all users


5. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 12.67
Top 96% match vs all users


6. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 13.25
Top 95% match vs all users


7. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 13.35
Top 96% match vs all users


8. Hellenic Seleucid Anatolia (165 BC) ..... 13.67
Top 99% match vs all users


9. Medieval Winchester Chapel Leper (1085 AD) ..... 13.78
Top 96% match vs all users


10. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 13.96
Top 95% match vs all users

Where did this Medieval Winchester Chapel come from???

If it isn't too much trouble, and if you have the time, could you add the sample numbers? :)

[Salento]

R114 my Top Match and Top shared DNA Segments:
🤔 a Calabrese gets R114 as Top match too, hope he married well (I know he did :)

[Pax Augusta]

Someone can get a map but of current Italy with the marks of where these sites are, Prenestini, Ardea, e.t.c. and Rome to have a visualization of the area and distance but on a current political map. I need to have that vision of the old with the modern or the modern to see it more clearly.

I hope I haven't forgotten anything.

Prenestini = Praeneste = modern-day Palestrina.

[Angela]

After and before Rome. An increase of R1a and J is observed. In mitochondrial increase in K, H and U

I don't think that R1a is "Slavic" R1a.

[Carlos]

^^
To Pax Augusta

I have downloaded the image

Thank you very much, it's just what I needed to see. I would also like the same image but with the whole boot like this I get a perspective from afar.

I take the post to see two Etruscan samples of mine and see that there is one that coincides twice with Carthage 473

7. Etruscan Civitavecchia (650 BC) ..... 10.31 - R474
Medieval Villa Magna Italy (990 AD) (4.463)
Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 AD) (5.479)
Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (5.576)
Roman Soldier Germany (300 AD) (6.617)
Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (600 BC) (8.192)

24. Etruscan Civitavecchia (650 BC) ..... 13.64 - R473
Villanovan Etruscan Italy VGG (850 BC) (8.651)
Roman-Carthago Mix Iberia (80 AD) (9.162)
Etruscan Civitavecchia (650 BC) (9.165)
Carthago-Maghrebi Andalusia (1200 AD) (9.525)
Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) (10.11)

11. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (990 AD) ..... 11.72 - R63
Etruscan Civitavecchia (650 BC) (4.463)
Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 AD) (5.456)
Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (5.682)
Le Mans Revolutionary France (1793 AD) (6.673)
Roman Soldier Germany (300 AD) (7.311)

This sample R63 gathers all my main matches. Things are floating in my head, for myself I can't see things quickly and clearly.

[Carlos]

I don't think that R1a is "Slavic" R1a.

No idea, I was waiting to see where R1a came from on the Europedia charts because I didn't remember it, but I forgot to look at it because I had been hearing for a decade or more just talking about the haplogroup lineages that now interested me most in the cocktail.

I just searched it on wikipedia and there are different theories. I would not be surprised if it could be from Pakistan, India after a long journey to get here. I would bet on this hypothesis today.

I just searched it on wikipedia and there are different hypotheses. Well, today I would bet on India-Pakistan recharged on a long trip could be: Iran Caucasus or vice versa, now I do not have time to look at the map which goes before and well it would reach Europe and there already, then to distribute.

[torzio]

my new matches up to 10.0

1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 5.076 - R1 - (Click for more info)
Top 99% match vs all users

2. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.332 - SZ28 - ? (Click for more info)
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 8.455 - OBS137 - ? (Click for more info)
Top 99% match vs all users

4. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.937 - I3313 - (Click for more info)
Top 98% match vs all users

5. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 9.695 - SZ36 - (Click for more info)
Top 98% match vs all users

6. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 9.874 - CL36 - ? (Click for more info)
Top 98% match vs all users

7. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 10.0 - scy197b - ? (Click for more info)
Top 98% match vs all users


I3313 is a Liburnian as per the official paper and not a Dalmatian