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    There has been a lot of new revenue both up and down the list. They made a first installment and after a second installment that was when I got gens julia.



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    We’re totally Romans :)




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    I'm sorry, Carlos, but those samples don't come from the gens Julia.

    They are the remains of normal people of the time buried NEAR the Mausoleum of Augustus. This is not like finding King Tut's tomb. :) We don't have the remains of any of the actual ruling families of Rome.

    It's all in the Supplement of the original paper. This particular cemetery description is found on page 36.

    "https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...Antonio_SM.pdf"

    My relationship to that cemetery:

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    Btw, Marcus Aurelius has nothing to do with the Gens Julia.

    My husband is one of his greatest admirers. Still has his "Meditations" from university, and reads it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I'm sorry, Carlos, but those samples don't come from the gens Julia.

    They are the remains of normal people of the time buried NEAR the Mausoleum of Augustus. This is not like finding King Tut's tomb. :) We don't have the remains of any of the actual ruling families of Rome.

    It's all in the Supplement of the original paper. This particular cemetery description is found on page 36.

    "https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...Antonio_SM.pdf"

    My relationship to that cemetery:

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    Btw, Marcus Aurelius has nothing to do with the Gens Julia.

    My husband is one of his greatest admirers. Still has his "Meditations" from university, and reads it.

    It cannot be known.


    It is an appointment of an author not related to the entire post, it is understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    It cannot be known.


    It is an appointment of an author not related to the entire post, it is understood.
    Sorry, Carlos. I know it's a disappointment, but it indeed can be known. The remains of a big group of people were found buried in the walls with almost no grave goods at all.

    That's NOT how an emperor would be buried. His remains would have been in the Mausoleum, not inside the walls nears it, and he wouldn't have been put in a grave with "regular" Romans.

    Not to say that his genetics wouldn't have been similar, of course. He had Plebeian as well as Patrician ancestors, as did many members of prominent Patrician gens of the time. Wealth was a great leveler, as was the case with the English aristocracy, for example.

    It's just that there's no way we'll ever now how close he might have been to this particular genetic signature.

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    Some of these shared segments are perhaps just IBS, non-IBD, with certain allowence of errors? Others could be real IBDs, but generally up to 3 cM for ancient blocks, I guess. Well, matching criteria may vary according to the tool. Still, these shared segments may point to certain particular genetic similarities, informative of (shared) ancestry. IBD sharing (recent/ancient blocks) is naturally used for tracking relations, even ancient, and anyone can Google it. There's a lot of stuff about.
    That said, while I agree it's unlikely that large IBD segments survive for so many generations, it's not correct to assume segments will always be divided by two each generation. There's a limited number of crossover events which occur in each pair of human chromosomes - in somewhat random locations. The average is 2.5. Males tend to have less than females.
    Figure 7 in the following paper shows an interesting representation of grandparents inheritance:
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/194837v1.full

    You may also inherit virtually an entire chromosome from a grandparent. This related article is interesting, and easy to understand:
    https://dna-explained.com/2017/11/09...and-crossovers

    So, for example, if you inherited certain segment of DNA from a far ancestor, it's still possible you'll pass this same segment virtually intact to your child, and not necessarily half of it. Large segments naturally tend to be fragmented in few generations though.
    I think this may help to understand some variations:


    Or better:
    https://gcbias.org/2013/11/11/how-do...over-time/amp/
    (notice the same range in 10th and 11th generation: 0 to 1.5%).

    The text below was posted by member mlukas in this thread, mentioning 23andMe user RandalGibbs. I'm a layman, but it seems to make sense based on what I read so far on the subject:

    1 cM by definition is the length of DNA that has a 1% chance of recombination during meiosis. For longer segments you can estimate the chance of recombination in a single generation based on the cM length. For example a 20cM segment has about an 80% chance of remaining intact and a 20% chance of being recombined. (It's not exactly 80/20 because it could have multiple recombinations). If the segment remains intact, there is a 50/50 chance it is passed down. For a 20cM segment of your parent's DNA, there is about a 40% chance you'll get the whole thing, 40% you'll get none of it and 20% it will recombine and you'll only get part of it.Obviously each generation decreases the likelihood of getting an intact segment of over 20cM from an ancestor. I could imagine a segment of that size surviving recombination for many generations, perhaps a few hundred years, but can't see how it would survive for thousands of year.

    I wrote a recombination simulator. It is the first step in a project I may never finish to estimate the amount of DNA that should be shared by relatives based not only on the relationship, but by the number of males and females in the relationship path. (There is less recombination in males than females. You get 50% from each set of grandparents, but are likely to have fewer but longer paternal segments while you have more but shorter maternal segments).
    I just ran my simulator a few times and the longest segment that it showed surviving 100 generations (roughly 3000 years) was about 7cM. I got quite a few segments 4-6cM and a few over 7cM, but none that were 8cM. I can't see how some of the images above are correct showing a segment over 20cM shared with someone who lived 3000 years, like shown in the first 2 images above (2450BC, 2500BC) That doesn't seem plausible to me.
    (It was in a different context. That time MyTrueAncestry was showing way larger IBD segments, but later the tool was updated.)
    So 4-6 cM wouldn't be that absurd, according to the above.

    @Duarte
    Yes, pedigree collapse is also relevant. It's worth reading about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    Some of these shared segments are perhaps just IBS, non-IBD, with certain allowence of errors? Others could be real IBDs, but generally up to 3 cM for ancient blocks, I guess. Well, matching criteria may vary according to the tool. Still, these shared segments may point to certain particular genetic similarities, informative of (shared) ancestry. IBD sharing (recent/ancient blocks) is naturally used for tracking relations, even ancient, and anyone can Google it. There's a lot of stuff about.
    That said, while I agree it's unlikely that large IBD segments survive for so many generations, it's not correct to assume segments will always be divided by two each generation. There's a limited number of crossover events which occur in each pair of human chromosomes - in somewhat random locations. The average is 2.5. Males tend to have less than females.
    Figure 7 in the following paper shows an interesting representation of grandparents inheritance:
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/194837v1.full

    You may also inherit virtually an entire chromosome from a grandparent. This related article is interesting, and easy to understand:
    https://dna-explained.com/2017/11/09...and-crossovers

    So, for example, if you inherited certain segment of DNA from a far ancestor, it's still possible you'll pass this same segment virtually intact to your child, and not necessarily half of it. Large segments naturally tend to be fragmented in few generations though.
    I think this may help to understand some variations:


    Or better:
    https://gcbias.org/2013/11/11/how-do...over-time/amp/
    (notice the same range in 10th and 11th generation: 0 to 1.5%).

    The text below was posted by member mlukas in this thread, mentioning 23andMe user RandalGibbs. I'm a layman, but it seems to make sense based on what I read so far on the subject:


    (It was in a different context. That time MyTrueAncestry was showing way larger IBD segments, but later the tool was updated.)
    So 4-6 cM wouldn't be that absurd, according to the above.

    @Duarte
    Yes, pedigree collapse is also relevant. It's worth reading about it.
    Excellent information, Regio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Sorry, Carlos. I know it's a disappointment, but it indeed can be known. The remains of a big group of people were found buried in the walls with almost no grave goods at all.

    That's NOT how an emperor would be buried. His remains would have been in the Mausoleum, not inside the walls nears it, and he wouldn't have been put in a grave with "regular" Romans.

    Not to say that his genetics wouldn't have been similar, of course. He had Plebeian as well as Patrician ancestors, as did many members of prominent Patrician gens of the time. Wealth was a great leveler, as was the case with the English aristocracy, for example.

    It's just that there's no way we'll ever now how close he might have been to this particular genetic signature.
    I was fantasizing.


    But who knows if someone to protect some important remains by social status had camouflaged them in a simpler appearance, it may have happened, I do not mean these specific samples that could be, but I remember reading something like this a long time ago.

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    Silver Denarius - Empress Faustina Jr. AD 147 - 175/6
    (Wife of Marcus Aurelius)






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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Silver Denarius - Empress Faustina Jr. AD 147 - 175/6
    (Wife of Marcus Aurelius)





    Wow is that yours?
    mmmmmmmmm dooouuughhhnuuuutz

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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    Wow is that yours?
    yes, I posted it before :)


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    Roman Empress of Cordoba origin
    Faustina the Minor. The young woman, whose family was a native of Espejo, married Emperor Marco Aurelio, who at her death consecrated her and founded a charity in her honor.

    In fact he wrote me a very beautiful poetry for Christmas that said:


    If you see an old woman and it's Good Night, tell her to come to your house.


    It was recorded forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    Roman Empress of Cordoba origin
    Faustina the Minor. The young woman, whose family was a native of Espejo, married Emperor Marco Aurelio, who at her death consecrated her and founded a charity in her honor.

    In fact he wrote me a very beautiful poetry for Christmas that said:


    If you see an old woman and it's Good Night, tell her to come to your house.


    It was recorded forever.
    She was born in Rome,

    her great uncle, the emperor Hadrian, ...born in Italica, Hispania Baetica, into a Hispano-Italic family that settled in Spain from the Italian city of Atri in Picenum.


    Mauseleo Augusto, many Villas, these people must have been loaded


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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    @Duarte
    Yes, pedigree collapse is also relevant. It's worth reading about it.

    @Regio X:

    Thanks for the tip of theme for reading, Regio (pedigree collapse). In fact, in the traditional Minas Gerais family (I don't like this term, but I can't find another one to use right now) endogamy was an usual practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    She was born in Rome,

    her great uncle, the emperor Hadrian, ...born in Italica, Hispania Baetica, into a Hispano-Italic family that settled in Spain from the Italian city of Atri in Picenum.


    Mauseleo Augusto, many Villas, these people must have been loaded

    It would be great if that were the case.



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    It has any meaning?

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    With this army of new samples Curiosity got the upper hand and I gave in, upgrading to the Zeus level ;)

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    64. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 16.57 - I4332 -
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    66. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 16.81 - I3499 -
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    69. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance (1650 AD) ..... 17.28 - R973 -
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    73. Ostrogoth Mix (495 AD) ..... 17.68 - AEH_1 - ?
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    77. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 17.94 - scy305 -
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    81. Imperial Rome Mausoleo Augusto (500 AD) ..... 18.46 - R33 -
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    90
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    82. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) ..... 18.63 - SZ40 - ?
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    84. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (1005 AD) ..... 18.85 - R1285 -
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    85. North Central Lombard (670 AD) ..... 18.91 - CL63 - ?
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    40
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    87. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) ..... 18.97 - I3983 -
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    92
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    98
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    89. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 19.22 - SZ18 -
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    44
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    92
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    91. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (515 AD) ..... 19.38 - I3980 -
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    95
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    94. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PS (300 BC) ..... 19.67 - R437 -
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    95. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 19.83 - I2649
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    85
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    96. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 19.92 - I2647
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    90
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    97. Late Roman Mix Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 19.94 - R105 -
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    91
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    98. Thuringii Tribe (420 AD) ..... 20.06 - AED_1108 - ?
    Top
    39
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    99. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 20.15 - MJ12 -
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    100. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 20.33 - scy311 -
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    101. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 18.18 - NS3c - ?
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    102. Latin Tribe Castel di Decima (800 BC) ..... 18.33 - R1016 -
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    103. Carolingian (790 AD) ..... 18.36 - I7675 -
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    104. Portugal Bronze Age (1600 BC) ..... 18.47 - VO10207
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    99
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    105. Scythian Outlier Hungary (550 BC) ..... 18.52 - DA195 -
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    84
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    106. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) ..... 18.56 - GTE-A1 -
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    107. Franco Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1215 AD) ..... 18.75 - R62 -
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    43
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    108. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP (100 AD) ..... 18.85 - R111 -
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    94
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    109. Halstatt Celt (775 BC) ..... 18.89 - DA111 -
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    93
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    110. Pre-Indo European Tribe (1440 BC) ..... 18.92 - I2471 -
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    99
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    111. Iron Age Catalan (650 BC) ..... 18.96 - I3776 -
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    99
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    112. Pre-Indo European Tribe (1440 BC) ..... 19.01 - I2470 -
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    99
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    113. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 19.12 - I12647 -
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    90
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    114. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) ..... 19.38 - DA199 -
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    47
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    115. Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 19.58 - 6DRIF-22 -
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    116. Visigoth Frankish Girona (550 AD) ..... 19.59 - I12032 -
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    40
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    117. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 19.78 - VAD004 -
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    99
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    118. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 19.79 - I2647
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    90
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    119. Bronze Age Loma del Puerco (1800 BC) ..... 19.86 - I7162 -
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    99
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    120. Thuringii Tribe (420 AD) ..... 19.89 - AED_1108 - ?
    Top
    40
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    121. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 19.91 - CL36 - ?
    Top
    80
    % match vs all users


    122. Bell Beaker Southern France (2120 BC) ..... 19.96 - I3874 -
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    60
    % match vs all users


    123. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) ..... 19.97 - CL102 - ?
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    37
    % match vs all users


    124. Germanic Mixed Tribe (505 AD) ..... 19.97 - AED513 - ?
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    49
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    125. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 20.25 - I3582 -
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    90
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    126. Immigrant Medieval Denmark (1305 AD) ..... 20.28 - G274 -
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    98
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    127. Celtiberian Northern Spain (350 BC) ..... 20.54 - I3757 -
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    99
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    128. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas I (1500 BC) ..... 20.68 - I3490 -
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    129. Bronze Age Amesbury (1450 BC) ..... 20.68 - I2458 -
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    130. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) ..... 20.72 - CL53 -
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    36
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    131. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) ..... 20.74 - I12162 -
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    40
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    132. Carthago Outlier San Ercolano (500 AD) ..... 21.0 - R121 -
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    95
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    133. Iron Age Catalan (600 BC) ..... 21.04 - I12642 -
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    98
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    134. Iberia Bronze Age (1600 BC) ..... 21.1 - ATP9 -
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    99
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    135. Celtic Medieval Denmark Ribe (1305 AD) ..... 21.39 - G397 -
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    136. Pre-Roman Girona (280 BC) ..... 21.43 - I3323 -
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    99
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    137. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 21.49 - SZ18 -
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    33
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    138. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) ..... 21.51 - I5471 -
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    139. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) ..... 21.51 - I3576 -
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    140. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) ..... 21.6 - SZ23 -
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    141. Bell Beaker France (2300 BC) ..... 21.61 - I1388 -
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    142. Greuthungi / Ostrogoth (310 AD) ..... 21.64 - MJ37 -
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    144. Celtic-Saxon Hinxton (700 AD) ..... 21.66 - HinxtonO2 -
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    88
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    148. Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto (500 AD) ..... 22.03 - R32 -
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    149. Justinian Plague Victim (760 AD) ..... 22.06 - LSD021 - ?
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    150. Carthaginian Ibiza (270 BC) ..... 22.1 - MS10614 - ?
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    The 50 revealed. Some had already seen them from the beginning and others have been new. A reserve for the future of new samples. There may be more distance but sometimes you could also get segments of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    Duarte
    It has any meaning?

    Good morning dear friend Carlos.
    I agree with Salento:

    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    She was born in Rome,
    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post

    her great uncle, the emperor Hadrian, ...born in Italica, Hispania Baetica, into a Hispano-Italic family that settled in Spain from the Italian city of Atri in Picenum.


    Mauseleo Augusto, many Villas, these people must have been loaded

    In fact, there are nobles buried there and, as you said, It would be great if that were the case of relatives of Faustina the Minor buried there. The local was abandoned for a long time and even was used as a dumping ground and the vegetation grew uncontrollably. Bellow is desbibed it's history:

    “The Mausoleum of Augustus (Italian: Mausoleo di Augusto) is a large tomb built by the Roman EmperorAugustus in 28 BC on the Campus Martius in Rome, Italy. The mausoleum is located on the Piazza Augusto Imperatore, near the corner with Via di Ripetta as it runs along the Tiber. The grounds cover an area equivalent to a few city blocks nestled between the church of San Carlo al Corso and the Museum of the Ara Pacis. The mausoleum is currently in the process of a restoration, upon which it will open to the public.

    The mausoleum was one of the first projects initiated by Augustus in the city of Rome following his victory at the
    Battle of Actium in 31 BC. The mausoleum was circular in plan, consisting of several concentric rings of earth and brick, faced with travertine on the exterior, and planted with cypresses on the top tier. The whole structure was capped (possibly, as reconstructions are unsure at best) by a conical roof and a huge bronze statue of Augustus.
    Vaults held up the roof and opened up the burial spaces below. Twin pink
    graniteobelisks flanked the arched entryway; these have been removed; one now stands at the Piazza dell'Esquilino (on the northwest side of the Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore) and the other at the Quirinal fountain. The completed mausoleum measured 90 m (295 ft) in diameter by 42 m (137 ft) in height.

    A corridor ran from the entryway into the heart of the mausoleum, where there was a chamber with three niches to hold the golden urns enshrining the ashes of the Imperial Family. Two pillars flanking the entrance were mounted with bronze plaques inscribed with the
    Res Gestae Divi Augusti, the document describing Augustus' accomplishments and victories.[3] Surrounding the mausoleum was landscaped parkland akin to modern public parks, affording a place of retreat at the heart of Rome's heavily urbanized Campus Martius.

    The traditional story is that in 410, during the
    sack of Rome by Alaric, the pillaging Visigoths rifled the vaults, stole the urns and scattered the ashes, without damaging the structure of the building. Platner and Ashby, however, posited that "The story of its plundering by Alaric in 410 has no historical foundation, and we know nothing of its destruction".

    By the end of the 10th century, the mausoleum had become largely buried under earth and overgrown with trees, to the point where it was referred to as the Mons Augustus. A legend of the time referred to a supposed decree by Augustus who ordered that a basketful of earth from every province of the empire was to be thrown upon his tomb, so that he could rest on the soil of the whole world over which he ruled.
    [6] Atop the Mausoleum stood a chapel built to the Archangel Michael, while alongside was the Church of Santa Maria (or perhaps Martina) in Augusto (later transformed into San Giacomo degli Incurabili).

    By the 12th Century, the
    tumulus was fortified as a castle— as was the mausoleum of Hadrian, which was turned into the Castel Sant'Angelo— and occupied by the Colonna family. After the disastrous defeat of the Commune of Rome at the hands of the Count of Tusculum in 1167, the Colonna were disgraced and banished, and their fortification in the Campo was dismantled. Throughout the Renaissance it passed through the ownership of several major Roman families, who used it as a garden; at the beginning of the 19th century it was in use as a circus.

    In the early 20th century, the interior of the Mausoleum was used as a concert hall called the Augusteo, until Mussolini ordered it closed in the 1930s and restored it to the status of an archaeological site. The restoration of the Mausoleum of Augustus to a place of prominence featured in
    Benito Mussolini's ambitious reordering of the city of Rome which strove to connect the aspirations of Italian Fascism with the former glories of the Roman Empire. Mussolini viewed himself especially connected to the achievements of Augustus, seeing himself as a 'reborn Augustus' ready to usher in a new age of Italian dominance.

    In January 2017, Italian authorities announced that due to a €6 million grant from
    Telecom Italia the Mausoleum of Augustus would receive a comprehensive restoration that will allow it to open to the public for the first time since the 1970s. When the Mausoleum opens in April 2019 it will be fully restored and incorporate a multi-media exhibition that will project images of modern and ancient Rome onto the interior walls of the structure.

    An earlier intention to restore the Mausoleum in time to commemorate the 2,000th anniversary of Augustus' death in 2014 failed due to funding shortfalls.
    The neglect of the Mausoleum, closed to the public, overgrown with vegetation and used as a dumping ground for litter, had long attracted criticism, especially after the opening of the Ara Pacis museum across the street in 2006.

    Buried inside:

    Included among those whose remains were laid inside the mausoleum before the death of Augustus were:


    After the death of Augustus, the mausoleum hosted the ashes of:”



    On the other hand, about my matches, what I could notice is that, according to the PCA posted on the Moots: Ancient Rome Paper in Paleogenetics thread, all my samples of ancient relatives are genetically in northern Italy, pending toward the side of Iberian Peninsula, especially the samples of the Etruscans.



    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Ancient relatives - Ancient Roman Samples - Only matches with "R"samples:













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    My samples are also the same type R

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Good morning dear friend Carlos.
    I agree with Salento:



    In fact, there are nobles buried there and, as you said, It would be great if that were the case of relatives of Faustina the Minor buried there. The local was abandoned for a long time and even was used as a dumping ground and the vegetation grew uncontrollably. Bellow is desbibed it's history:

    “The Mausoleum of Augustus (Italian: Mausoleo di Augusto) is a large tomb built by the Roman EmperorAugustus in 28 BC on the Campus Martius in Rome, Italy. The mausoleum is located on the Piazza Augusto Imperatore, near the corner with Via di Ripetta as it runs along the Tiber. The grounds cover an area equivalent to a few city blocks nestled between the church of San Carlo al Corso and the Museum of the Ara Pacis. The mausoleum is currently in the process of a restoration, upon which it will open to the public.

    The mausoleum was one of the first projects initiated by Augustus in the city of Rome following his victory at the
    Battle of Actium in 31 BC. The mausoleum was circular in plan, consisting of several concentric rings of earth and brick, faced with travertine on the exterior, and planted with cypresses on the top tier. The whole structure was capped (possibly, as reconstructions are unsure at best) by a conical roof and a huge bronze statue of Augustus.
    Vaults held up the roof and opened up the burial spaces below. Twin pink
    graniteobelisks flanked the arched entryway; these have been removed; one now stands at the Piazza dell'Esquilino (on the northwest side of the Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore) and the other at the Quirinal fountain. The completed mausoleum measured 90 m (295 ft) in diameter by 42 m (137 ft) in height.

    A corridor ran from the entryway into the heart of the mausoleum, where there was a chamber with three niches to hold the golden urns enshrining the ashes of the Imperial Family. Two pillars flanking the entrance were mounted with bronze plaques inscribed with the
    Res Gestae Divi Augusti, the document describing Augustus' accomplishments and victories.[3] Surrounding the mausoleum was landscaped parkland akin to modern public parks, affording a place of retreat at the heart of Rome's heavily urbanized Campus Martius.

    The traditional story is that in 410, during the
    sack of Rome by Alaric, the pillaging Visigoths rifled the vaults, stole the urns and scattered the ashes, without damaging the structure of the building. Platner and Ashby, however, posited that "The story of its plundering by Alaric in 410 has no historical foundation, and we know nothing of its destruction".

    By the end of the 10th century, the mausoleum had become largely buried under earth and overgrown with trees, to the point where it was referred to as the Mons Augustus. A legend of the time referred to a supposed decree by Augustus who ordered that a basketful of earth from every province of the empire was to be thrown upon his tomb, so that he could rest on the soil of the whole world over which he ruled.
    [6] Atop the Mausoleum stood a chapel built to the Archangel Michael, while alongside was the Church of Santa Maria (or perhaps Martina) in Augusto (later transformed into San Giacomo degli Incurabili).

    By the 12th Century, the
    tumulus was fortified as a castle— as was the mausoleum of Hadrian, which was turned into the Castel Sant'Angelo— and occupied by the Colonna family. After the disastrous defeat of the Commune of Rome at the hands of the Count of Tusculum in 1167, the Colonna were disgraced and banished, and their fortification in the Campo was dismantled. Throughout the Renaissance it passed through the ownership of several major Roman families, who used it as a garden; at the beginning of the 19th century it was in use as a circus.

    In the early 20th century, the interior of the Mausoleum was used as a concert hall called the Augusteo, until Mussolini ordered it closed in the 1930s and restored it to the status of an archaeological site. The restoration of the Mausoleum of Augustus to a place of prominence featured in
    Benito Mussolini's ambitious reordering of the city of Rome which strove to connect the aspirations of Italian Fascism with the former glories of the Roman Empire. Mussolini viewed himself especially connected to the achievements of Augustus, seeing himself as a 'reborn Augustus' ready to usher in a new age of Italian dominance.

    In January 2017, Italian authorities announced that due to a €6 million grant from
    Telecom Italia the Mausoleum of Augustus would receive a comprehensive restoration that will allow it to open to the public for the first time since the 1970s. When the Mausoleum opens in April 2019 it will be fully restored and incorporate a multi-media exhibition that will project images of modern and ancient Rome onto the interior walls of the structure.

    An earlier intention to restore the Mausoleum in time to commemorate the 2,000th anniversary of Augustus' death in 2014 failed due to funding shortfalls.
    The neglect of the Mausoleum, closed to the public, overgrown with vegetation and used as a dumping ground for litter, had long attracted criticism, especially after the opening of the Ara Pacis museum across the street in 2006.

    Buried inside:

    Included among those whose remains were laid inside the mausoleum before the death of Augustus were:


    After the death of Augustus, the mausoleum hosted the ashes of:”



    On the other hand, about my matches, what I could notice is that, according to the PCA posted on the Moots: Ancient Rome Paper in Paleogenetics thread, all my samples of ancient relatives are genetically in northern Italy, pending toward the side of Iberian Peninsula, especially the samples of the Etruscans.

    I'm sorry. I think there's some confusion here. The samples studied in the recent paper don't come from the Mausoleum. The bones in the mausoleum were scattered and lost to history.

    The samples are labeled Mausoleo Augusto because they were found in the ancient wall NEAR the mausoleum. I explained all of this upthread and provided the link to the Supplement of the Antonio et al paper where it is discussed.

    As to your matches, it seems you do get matches to ancient people like Etruscans and others who would plot in today's Northern Italy. However, you also seem to get a lot of matches to these new Imperial Roman and Late Antiquity samples as well. Many of them do not plot in Northern Italy. Many of them wouldn't even plot in modern Lazio. They plot in Southern Italy.

    Rome is in Lazio, which is not Northern Italy. Lazio is central Italy both geographically and genetically. (I'm talking modern Lazio, because you were drawing a comparison to modern Northern Italy.) Just south of it, before you even get out of the borders of Lazio (probably due to changes Mussolini made to the borders) you're in Southern Italy genetically. The Abruzzi are, of course, Southern Italy. The actual genetic break in Italy is immediately south of Rome.

    Some people don't even include Tuscany in Northern Italy despite the fact that genetically it is closer to it than to geographically Central Italian provinces like Umbria and Marche.



    I know this seems arcane, but the divisions are real genetically and culturally.

    Northern Italy is partly defined linguistically. It is where the dialects are what used to be called Gallo-Italian. The genetics do match it very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I'm sorry. I think there's some confusion here. The samples studied in the recent paper don't come from the Mausoleum. The bones in the mausoleum were scattered and lost to history.
    The samples are labeled Mausoleo Augusto because they were found in the ancient wall NEAR the mausoleum. I explained all of this upthread and provided the link to the Supplement of the Antonio et al paper where it is discussed.
    As to your matches, it seems you do get matches to ancient people like Etruscans and others who would plot in today's Northern Italy. However, you also seem to get a lot of matches to these new Imperial Roman and Late Antiquity samples as well. Many of them do not plot in Northern Italy. Many of them wouldn't even plot in modern Lazio. They plot in Southern Italy.
    Rome is in Lazio, which is not Northern Italy. Lazio is central Italy both geographically and genetically. (I'm talking modern Lazio, because you were drawing a comparison to modern Northern Italy.) Just south of it, before you even get out of the borders of Lazio (probably due to changes Mussolini made to the borders) you're in Southern Italy genetically. The Abruzzi are, of course, Southern Italy. The actual genetic break in Italy is immediately south of Rome.
    Some people don't even include Tuscany in Northern Italy despite the fact that genetically it is closer to it than to geographically Central Italian provinces like Umbria and Marche.
    I know this seems arcane, but the divisions are real genetically and culturally.
    Northern Italy is partly defined linguistically. It is where the dialects are what used to be called Gallo-Italian. The genetics do match it very well.
    Grazie. :)
    Perhaps the below helps to represent the "position" of the Abruzzi compared to other regions'.



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    I have opened these two samples of the mausoleum with which I obtained correspondence to see what was there.


    mtDNA: H2a1
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    mtDNA: H

    Y-DNA: J-M12








    See Iberian Cordoba Caliphate

    45. Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.62 - I7498 -
    mtDNA: H3a1
    Y-DNA: E1b1b1a1b1a







    mtDNA: HV0+195

    Y-DNA: J2a









    8. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 10.75 - I3313
    Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (6.439)
    Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (7.049)
    Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (7.332)
    Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (7.422)
    Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) (7.43)

    84. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 16.97 - R1
    Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (5.829)
    Central Roman (590 AD) (7.154)
    Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) (7.43)
    Central Roman (670 AD) (7.541)
    Central Roman (590 AD) (8.234)




    I don't know, but I don't think those remains are so anonymous or that they belonged to anyone.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I'm sorry. I think there's some confusion here. The samples studied in the recent paper don't come from the Mausoleum. The bones in the mausoleum were scattered and lost to history.

    The samples are labeled Mausoleo Augusto because they were found in the ancient wall NEAR the mausoleum. I explained all of this upthread and provided the link to the Supplement of the Antonio et al paper where it is discussed.

    As to your matches, it seems you do get matches to ancient people like Etruscans and others who would plot in today's Northern Italy. However, you also seem to get a lot of matches to these new Imperial Roman and Late Antiquity samples as well. Many of them do not plot in Northern Italy. Many of them wouldn't even plot in modern Lazio. They plot in Southern Italy.

    Rome is in Lazio, which is not Northern Italy. Lazio is central Italy both geographically and genetically. (I'm talking modern Lazio, because you were drawing a comparison to modern Northern Italy.) Just south of it, before you even get out of the borders of Lazio (probably due to changes Mussolini made to the borders) you're in Southern Italy genetically. The Abruzzi are, of course, Southern Italy. The actual genetic break in Italy is immediately south of Rome.

    Some people don't even include Tuscany in Northern Italy despite the fact that genetically it is closer to it than to geographically Central Italian provinces like Umbria and Marche.



    I know this seems arcane, but the divisions are real genetically and culturally.

    Northern Italy is partly defined linguistically. It is where the dialects are what used to be called Gallo-Italian. The genetics do match it very well.
    Thanks for the clarifications Angela. I was really believing that the samples came from the Augustus’s Mausoleum and not from its surroundings because of the nomenclature assigned to them by the MTA. I take back what I said and the dissertation on Augustus’s Mausoleum stay now just as a curious fact for the history lovers. As for the genetic classification of the mentioned samples, I have taken as reference only the relative position of their respective numbers ploted in the PCA. I did not know that these medieval samples, some so recent that were approaching to the beginning of the modern age, were plotting further south. Very timely your clarifications because they bring important details for those who are not following more closely the posts on thread “Moots: Ancient Rome Paper”. Cheers :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    Grazie. :)
    Perhaps the below helps to represent the "position" of the Abruzzi compared to other regions'.


    Thanks too, Regio:)


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