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    Very interesting, Carlos. Here's our side by side comparisons.

    R32-Mausoleo Augusto
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    Mine: 26. Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto (500 AD) ..... 11.57 - R32 -
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    Mine-It doesn't appear in my first 60 so it must be above 14.55, but probably not by much.

    I shall expect to be addressed as "Domina" from now on. :)

    112514-Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate
    Carlos- 14.55
    Mine-
    57. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.48 - I12514 -
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    Carlos-14.62
    Mine-59. Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.53 - I7498 -
    Top
    95
    % match vs all users

    I also get these:
    18. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 10.29 - I2515
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    97
    % match vs all users

    Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 10.53 - I12515 -

    25. Morisco Italo-Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 10.85 - I7424 -
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    99
    % match vs all users

    27. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 11.87 - I2514
    Top
    96
    % match vs all users

    29. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 11.99 - I3981 -
    Top
    97

    % match vs all users


    40. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 12.95 - CL23 -
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    97
    % match vs all users

    45. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) ..... 13.51 - I3575 -
    Top
    99
    % match vs all users

    54. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 14.25 - CL94 -
    Top
    90
    % match vs all users

    55. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 14.39 - I3581 -
    Top
    98
    % match vs all users


    57. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.48 - I12514 -
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    93
    % match vs all users

    I propose that Carlos and Duarte be put up for honorary Italian citizenship, and I should be put up for honorary Spanish and Portuguese citizenship. If things had gone differently, marriage might have accomplished it, but this will do. :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Very interesting, Carlos. Here's our side by side comparisons.

    R32-Mausoleo Augusto
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    Mine: 26. Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto (500 AD) ..... 11.57 - R32 -
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    % match vs all users


    R33-Mausoleo Augusto
    Carlos 12.56
    Mine-It doesn't appear in my first 60 so it must be above 14.55, but probably not by much.

    I shall expect to be addressed as "Domina" from now on. :)

    112514-Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate
    Carlos- 14.55
    Mine-
    57. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.48 - I12514 -
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    93
    % match vs all users

    17498-Iberian Cordoba Caliphate
    Carlos-14.62
    Mine-59. Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.53 - I7498 -
    Top
    95
    % match vs all users

    I also get these:
    18. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 10.29 - I2515
    Top
    97
    % match vs all users

    Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 10.53 - I12515 -

    25. Morisco Italo-Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 10.85 - I7424 -
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    99
    % match vs all users

    27. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 11.87 - I2514
    Top
    96
    % match vs all users

    29. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 11.99 - I3981 -
    Top
    97

    % match vs all users


    40. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 12.95 - CL23 -
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    97
    % match vs all users

    45. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) ..... 13.51 - I3575 -
    Top
    99
    % match vs all users

    54. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 14.25 - CL94 -
    Top
    90
    % match vs all users

    55. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 14.39 - I3581 -
    Top
    98
    % match vs all users

    I propose that Carlos and Duarte be put up for honorary Italian citizenship, and I should be put up for honorary Spanish and Portuguese citizenship. If things had gone differently, marriage might have accomplished it, but this will do. :)

    57. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.48 - I12514 -
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    It would be an honor for me to receive the Italian honorary citizenship and it would be an honor for the Portuguese people to grant you the Portuguese honorary citizenship :)


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    To Ángela


    That's done!

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    I think PT is Portogallo

    Porto dei Galli :)

    Portugal = Port of the Gauls ???


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    To Ángela


    That's done!
    Grazie, my dear friends. I am honored. :)

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    @Salento

    The word Portugal derives from the Roman-Celtic place name Portus Cale. Cale or Cailleach was the name of a Celtic deity and the name of an early settlement located at the mouth of the Douro River (present-day Vila Nova de Gaia), which flows into the Atlantic Ocean in the north of what is now Portugal.

    Around 200 BC, the Romans took the Iberian Peninsula from the Carthaginians during the Second Punic War, and in the process conquered Cale and renamed it Portus Cale (Port of Cale). During the Middle Ages, the region around Portus Cale became known by the Suebi and Visigoths as Portucale.
    The name Portucale evolved into Portugale during the 7th and 8th centuries, and by the 9th century, that term was used extensively to refer to the region between the rivers Douro and Minho, the Minho flowing along what would become the northern Portugal-Spain border. By the 11th and 12th centuries, Portugale was already referred to as Portugal.


    History of Portugal - Wikipedia


    https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › History_of_Portuga






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    Quote Originally Posted by Archetype0ne View Post
    @Salento

    The word Portugal derives from the Roman-Celtic place name Portus Cale. Cale or Cailleach was the name of a Celtic deity and the name of an early settlement located at the mouth of the Douro River (present-day Vila Nova de Gaia), which flows into the Atlantic Ocean in the north of what is now Portugal.

    Around 200 BC, the Romans took the Iberian Peninsula from the Carthaginians during the Second Punic War, and in the process conquered Cale and renamed it Portus Cale (Port of Cale). During the Middle Ages, the region around Portus Cale became known by the Suebi and Visigoths as Portucale.
    The name Portucale evolved into Portugale during the 7th and 8th centuries, and by the 9th century, that term was used extensively to refer to the region between the rivers Douro and Minho, the Minho flowing along what would become the northern Portugal-Spain border. By the 11th and 12th centuries, Portugale was already referred to as Portugal.


    History of Portugal - Wikipedia


    https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › History_of_Portugal
    Gallo in Italian means Gaul, rooster, ...
    Portogallo is Portugal

    Galles in Italian means Wales

    Galli = Gauls
    Gallesi = Welsh

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    Here is a PCA I must have missed, that was in the supplement. Now it makes sense as to why I get the samples I do.

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    I downloaded from DNA.land my “Imputed VCF file (~39M SNPs)“, reformatted with “DNA Kit Studio”, the Results ??? :

    (I think I know how they turned Elizabeth Warren into a Native American)











    Large distances, and Obviously some of the results are unrealistic, I Think :)


    ... from my Normal raw-data results:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post

    Here is a PCA I must have missed, that was in the supplement. Now it makes sense as to why I get the samples I do.
    A closer look at the PCA. I think samples like 437 and 850, plus Greek/Aegean admixture, largely explains the current position of people from Puglia, and many other southern Italians. They are eastern shifted from the southern Italian-like Iron Age samples.
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    New segment. I had missed whit the delusions of greatness. Let's see who this good and humble gentleman is about.






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    Modern Group
    1. Spanish_Aragon (5.017)
    2. Spanish_Valencia (6.046)
    3. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (6.695)
    4. Spanish_Andalucia (7.904)
    5. Southwest_French (8.076)
    6. Spanish_Cantabria (8.328)
    7. Spanish_Murcia (8.987)
    8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (9.225)

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    Hispano-Roman-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate (950 AD) (7.456)
    Imperial Rome Mausoleo Augusto (500 AD) (8.441)
    Crusader Knight French / Lebanon (1250 AD) (9.261)
    Ostrogoth Mix (495 AD) (9.953)



    This sounds like Jackie's revenge




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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    A closer look at the PCA. I think samples like 437 and 850, plus Greek/Aegean admixture, largely explains the current position of people from Puglia, and many other southern Italians. They are eastern shifted from the southern Italian-like Iron Age samples.
    Thanks for the Numbered PCA :)

    I called R437 some kind of “Ancestral Father”

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post590579

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    My overall genetic distance from ancient samples remains the same: Maybe I should refresh my recollection about the Illyrians. :)
    Roman (3.568)
    Roman + Illyrian (4.064)
    Gallo-Roman + Roman (4.779)
    Gallo-Roman (9.491)
    Illyrian (10.35)

    My new ten and unders: no change to my very top numbers, but the samples from Tuscany, and there are a lot of them, push down a lot of the rest. Interesting that I get what seems to be an Italo-Iberian convert to Islam, i.e. found in a Morisco context. So, all those speculations that some of the local population would have converted and remained faithful to their new religion were true.

    Does anyone know if there are more to come?

    1. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 3.614 - SZ43 - (Click for more info)
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    2. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 4.508 - CL36 - ? (Click for more info)
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    3. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 5.964 - R60 - (Click for more info)
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    4. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 6.241 - R1 - (Click for more info)
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    5. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 6.771 - SZ36 - (Click for more info)
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    6. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 8.391 - R107 - (Click for more info)
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    7. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance (1650 AD) ..... 8.474 - R970 - (Click for more info)
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    8. Roman Empire Monterotondo (165 AD) ..... 8.697 - R1540 (Click for more info)
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    99
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    9. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague (1348 AD) ..... 9.528 - BSS31 (Click for more info)
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    99
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    10. Tuscan Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (1350 AD) ..... 9.549 - R1290 - (Click for more info)
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    99
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    11. Imperial Rome Marche CN (165 AD) ..... 9.561 - R835 - (Click for more info)
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    99
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    12. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 9.698 - SZ28 - ? (Click for more info)
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    98
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    13. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 9.734 - CL121 - (Click for more info)
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    14. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 10.06 - scy192 - (Click for more info)
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    15. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 10.07 - NS3c - ? (Click for more info)
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    16. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 10.15 - NS3b - ? (Click for more info)
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    17. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 10.28 - I3313 - (Click for more info)
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    97
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    18. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 10.29 - I2515 (Click for more info)
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    97
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    19. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1110 AD) ..... 10.44 - R57 - (Click for more info)
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    99
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    20. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 10.53 - I12515 - (Click for more info)
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    97
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    21. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1110 AD) ..... 10.6 - R64 - (Click for more info)
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    99
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    22. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 10.68 - R59 - (Click for more info)
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    99
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    23. Central Roman San Ercolano (100 AD) ..... 10.69 - R117 - (Click for more info)
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    99
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    24. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 10.83 - SZ32 - ? (Click for more info)
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    98
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    25. Morisco Italo-Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 10.85 - I7424 - (Click for more info)
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    99
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    I m sorry Angela but you can't possibly have a 3.614 distance from an ancient Central Roman unless he was the founder of your village and all of you in the village have been marrying your first cousins. Just sayin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
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    Large distances, and Obviously some of the results are unrealistic, I Think :)


    ... from my Normal raw-data results:
    Good morning dear friend Salento. I always found the DNA.land results very weird. They seem to have deleted all the old raw data that was uploaded by users and are demanding a new registration and a new data upload. If their database was already small then it is now minimal. But I thought cool these matches with Native Americans and I was envy. Good envy, as they say here in Brazil. Cheers :)

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    I got more Roman matches after the latest update

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    1. Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello (100 AD) ..... 10.14 -
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    2. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 11.11 -
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    3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.71 -
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    4. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.26 -
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    5. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 12.67 -
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    6. Hellenic Roman Monterotondo (165 AD) ..... 12.89 -
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    7. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) ..... 13.25 - ?
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    8. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 13.35 -
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    9. Hellenic Roman Marcellino (400 AD) ..... 13.36 -
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    10. Hellenic Seleucid Anatolia (165 BC) ..... 13.67 - ?
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    11. Tuscan Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (1350 AD) ..... 13.77 -
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    12. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 13.96 - ?
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    13. Imperial Rome Centocelle (200 AD) ..... 14.01 -
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    14. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 14.35 - ?
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    15. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1100 AD) ..... 14.63 -
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    16. Pontic Greek (300 AD) ..... 14.74 -
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    17. Central Roman San Ercolano (100 AD) ..... 14.86 -
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    18. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) ..... 15.03 -
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    94
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    19. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 15.15 - ?
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    20. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague (1348 AD) ..... 15.52
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    I m sorry Angela but you can't possibly have a 3.614 distance from an ancient Central Roman unless he was the founder of your village and all of you in the village have been marrying your first cousins. Just sayin...
    Well, I'm not walking around in a toga and "actually" demanding to be addressed as "Domina", you know, so nothing to be sorry about...

    As to the 'all of you living in one village and marrying only cousins' thing, it's only true for my father's family. :)

    All branches of his family can be traced back from the 1920s and 1930s to the Council of Trent of 1545 (after which all births, deaths, and marriages had to be recorded in the local parish church) to a group of a couple of extremely isolated villages high in the Northern Apennines of Italy. So, maybe not first cousins, but I would think definitely cousins, although parish priests did probably go back at least 100 years into the records and enforce the rules against marrying within the prohibited degrees of consanguinity. Still, you could sometimes get dispensations.

    That's why Cavalli-Sforza used these villagers for his seminal work on consanguinity and drift in the Italian peninsula. (Btw, he wondered why the IQ hadn't been depressed, which does happen in a lot of cases like this, along with decreased fertility. He should have asked more questions. Since the land was limited, and it was so difficult to leave for numerous reasons, only the fittest of the children were allowed to take over the land and get married, and the rest were more or less unpaid workers living on the property, and celibate unpaid workers for the most part. This was true in a lot of rural isolated communities of Europe. Marriage rates or even reproduction rates in rural areas were rather low until the 19th century, when conditions began to improve, nowhere near as high as they were in urban areas. Social controls deteriorated in the cities. Of course, the childhood death rates in urban areas were often high as well.)

    Anyway, to get back to genetic testing...

    Genetic distance calculations for ancient samples versus modern samples is a standard part of population genetics, and you can find the results in any of the academic papers we discuss.

    Numerous people with their noses out of joint, perhaps because they didn't think of it themselves, have come on here to complain that all that mta is doing is running those programs using Eurogenes G25 coordinates. Ergo, individuals could do it for themselves and therefore we're stupid to pay mta to do it.

    Now, the fact that they're Eurogenes' coordinates makes me a little skeptical, but the results should be roughly accurate. So, yes, I do think that the total genetic similarity numbers are pretty accurate for me.

    The "Deep Dive" is more problematic. Those cm numbers seem extremely high. Also, it is VERY difficult to distinguish IBD segments from IBS segments. On the other hand, an academic paper found extraordinarily high IBD sharing between an ancient sample and an indigenous man still living in the same area. I'm therefore reserving judgment.

    So, yes, it may be annoying, but....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaschalisB View Post
    I got more Roman matches after the latest update

    https://mytrueancestry.com/maps/qkhwlcr8mj_s_pca.mp4

    1. Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello (100 AD) ..... 10.14 -
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    2. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 11.11 -
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    3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.71 -
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    4. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.26 -
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    5. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 12.67 -
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    6. Hellenic Roman Monterotondo (165 AD) ..... 12.89 -
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    7. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) ..... 13.25 - ?
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    8. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 13.35 -
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    9. Hellenic Roman Marcellino (400 AD) ..... 13.36 -
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    10. Hellenic Seleucid Anatolia (165 BC) ..... 13.67 - ?
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    11. Tuscan Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (1350 AD) ..... 13.77 -
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    12. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 13.96 - ?
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    13. Imperial Rome Centocelle (200 AD) ..... 14.01 -
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    14. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 14.35 - ?
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    15. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1100 AD) ..... 14.63 -
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    16. Pontic Greek (300 AD) ..... 14.74 -
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    17. Central Roman San Ercolano (100 AD) ..... 14.86 -
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    18. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) ..... 15.03 -
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    19. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 15.15 - ?
    Top
    92
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    20. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague (1348 AD) ..... 15.52
    Top
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    Are your prior matches included on here?

    I'd like to compare our scores more precisely. Do you have the sample numbers for these matches?

    Also, did you post all of your 60 matches?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Good morning dear friend Salento. I always found the DNA.land results very weird. They seem to have deleted all the old raw data that was uploaded by users and are demanding a new registration and a new data upload. If their database was already small then it is now minimal. But I thought cool these matches with Native Americans and I was envy. Good envy, as they say here in Brazil. Cheers :)
    I see Imputation as a “Fill in the Blank Guessing Game”,

    It would also explain the high Deep Dive and Q-Matching cM (especially if they use modern statistics to fill in the blanks. Imputation is an educated guess.

    Being Ancient DNA deteriorated or incomplete, who knows how many times they use Imputation.

    I'm a bit skeptical of the accuracy of most of of the 1000+ years old samples Autosomal Results.

    My DNA is “fresh” :) and Imputation added Native American, and other inaccurate ethnicities.

    None of my normal results show similarities with Sitting Bull

    You have to give me an Indian name now, I’m obviously partially Lakota or Sioux



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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I see Imputation as a “Fill in the Blank Guessing Game”,

    It would also explain the high Deep Dive and Q-Matching cM (especially if they use modern statistics to fill in the blanks. Imputation is an educated guess.

    Being Ancient DNA deteriorated or incomplete, who knows how many times they use Imputation.

    I'm a bit skeptical of the accuracy of most of of the 1000+ years old samples Autosomal Results.

    My DNA is “fresh” :) and Imputation added Native American, and other inaccurate ethnicities.

    None of my normal results show similarities with Sitting Bull

    You have to give me an Indian name now, I’m obviously partially Lakota or Sioux



    DNA.land is under New Management.
    LOL I don't know the native languages ​​of North America, but it seems that the Sioux adopted the name of a native animal and a personal trait, such as Sitting Bull, for example. Romulus and Remus are, according to Roman mythology, two twin brothers adopted by a female wolf, one of whom, Romulus, was the founder of the city of Rome. You could adopt the name Son of the Wolves, parodying the movie “Dances with Wolves”, starring by Kevin Costner.

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    Mytrueancestry top ten ancient samples is basically these two studies. Despite the fact that my first sample changed to 1548, my closest samples modeled two ways is still "Hellenic Roman" (SZ40)+"Roman" (CL121.)




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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    LOL I don't know the native languages ​​of North America, but it seems that the Sioux adopted the name of a native animal and a personal trait, such as Sitting Bull, for example. Romulus and Remus are, according to Roman mythology, two twin brothers adopted by a female wolf, one of whom, Romulus, was the founder of the city of Rome. You could adopt the name Son of the Wolves, parodying the movie “Dances with Wolves”, starring by Kevin Costner.
    Very good Duarte.

    The Ancient Name of my Town is LUPIAE (wolf)

    Son of the Wolves it is, not to be confused with son of a b...h lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post



    Mytrueancestry top ten ancient samples is basically these two studies. Despite the fact that my first sample changed to 1548, my closest samples modeled two ways is still "Hellenic Roman" (SZ40)+"Roman" (CL121.)



    Same with me, samples come and go, but the “Your closest Ancient populations...” stays constant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Well, I'm not walking around in a toga and "actually" demanding to be addressed as "Domina", you know, so nothing to be sorry about...

    As to the 'all of you living in one village and marrying only cousins' thing, it's only true for my father's family. :)

    All branches of his family can be traced back from the 1920s and 1930s to the Council of Trent of 1545 (after which all births, deaths, and marriages had to be recorded in the local parish church) to a group of a couple of extremely isolated villages high in the Northern Apennines of Italy. So, maybe not first cousins, but I would think definitely cousins, although parish priests did probably go back at least 100 years into the records and enforce the rules against marrying within the prohibited degrees of consanguinity. Still, you could sometimes get dispensations.

    That's why Cavalli-Sforza used these villagers for his seminal work on consanguinity and drift in the Italian peninsula. (Btw, he wondered why the IQ hadn't been depressed, which does happen in a lot of cases like this, along with decreased fertility. He should have asked more questions. Since the land was limited, and it was so difficult to leave for numerous reasons, only the fittest of the children were allowed to take over the land and get married, and the rest were more or less unpaid workers living on the property, and celibate unpaid workers for the most part. This was true in a lot of rural isolated communities of Europe. Marriage rates or even reproduction rates in rural areas were rather low until the 19th century, when conditions began to improve, nowhere near as high as they were in urban areas. Social controls deteriorated in the cities. Of course, the childhood death rates in urban areas were often high as well.)

    Anyway, to get back to genetic testing...

    Genetic distance calculations for ancient samples versus modern samples is a standard part of population genetics, and you can find the results in any of the academic papers we discuss.

    Numerous people with their noses out of joint, perhaps because they didn't think of it themselves, have come on here to complain that all that mta is doing is running those programs using Eurogenes G25 coordinates. Ergo, individuals could do it for themselves and therefore we're stupid to pay mta to do it.

    Now, the fact that they're Eurogenes' coordinates makes me a little skeptical, but the results should be roughly accurate. So, yes, I do think that the total genetic similarity numbers are pretty accurate for me.

    The "Deep Dive" is more problematic. Those cm numbers seem extremely high. Also, it is VERY difficult to distinguish IBD segments from IBS segments. On the other hand, an academic paper found extraordinarily high IBD sharing between an ancient sample and an indigenous man still living in the same area. I'm therefore reserving judgment.

    So, yes, it may be annoying, but....
    Oh, I forgot to mention something.

    That 3.4 match ancient sample was compared to modern 1000 genomes populations (which includes Tuscans but not northern Italian samples) in the academic paper, and the closest description they could come up with was "Tuscan like". There was a paper that discussed Iron Age populations in the Balkans and found some to be "Tuscan like". My second highest match, 4.5, from the same paper, when placed by the authors on a modern PCA, is between North Italians and Tuscans.

    Every modern genetics test I've ever taken shows me to be between the North Italian Bergamo samples and the Tuscan samples.

    By no means am I implying direct descent or anything. What this program using Eurogenes G25 ,and, therefore, mta seem to be showing, however, is that there were people pretty close to me in general autosomal make up living about 1500 years plus ago, and even earlier, into the Iron Age, and the academic papers agree.

    The one that is extraordinary to me is my match, the Proto-Villanovian one, from 930 BC. I'm at 6.2, Stuvane from Emilia Romagna is at 6.0. I'm sure there will be Italians who are even closer. That group of people might have given birth to the Eastern Italic tribes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Oh, I forgot to mention something.

    That 3.4 match ancient sample was compared to modern 1000 genomes populations (which includes Tuscans but not northern Italian samples) in the academic paper, and the closest description they could come up with was "Tuscan like". There was a paper that discussed Iron Age populations in the Balkans and found some to be "Tuscan like". My second highest match, 4.5, from the same paper, when placed by the authors on a modern PCA, is between North Italians and Tuscans.

    Every modern genetics test I've ever taken shows me to be between the North Italian Bergamo samples and the Tuscan samples.

    By no means am I implying direct descent or anything. What this program using Eurogenes G25 ,and, therefore, mta seem to be showing, however, is that there were people pretty close to me in general autosomal make up living about 1500 years plus ago, and even earlier, into the Iron Age, and the academic papers agree.

    The one that is extraordinary to me is my match, the Proto-Villanovian one, from 930 BC. I'm at 6.2, Stuvane from Emilia Romagna is at 6.0. I'm sure there will be Italians who are even closer. That group of people might have given birth to the Eastern Italic tribes.
    Is it based on G25 or K15?

    Well, it's just one more tool for clues anyway, not a "given truth". :)
    We discussed these "convergences" before. It's not that we're living fossils of ancient people (I'm myself very close to an ancient sample according to MTA), but this convergence, even if in part accidental, may point to some relevant (shared) ancestry. It'd work roughly like an Oracle, as far as I can see. Still, if they really use K15, I wonder why they haven't chosen K36, with so many more clusters. The similarity tool based on K36 looks good, perhaps the only exception being more drifted pops such Sardinians (West Med) and Basques. Clusters and pop references too close here.

    As for 1000 Genomes and Tuscany, the samples would came all from FI?
    https://topseudoscience.wordpress.co...nomes-samples/
    (...)
    "The Tuscan sample from Italy was collected in a single small town, hence is biased towards rural people of a specific town. Similarly, the British sample is rural, although scattered around a wider area."
    (...)
    "TSI (Toscani in Italia): These cell lines and DNA samples were prepared from blood samples collected in a small town near Florence in the Tuscany region of Italy. All of the samples are from unrelated individuals who identified themselves as having at least three out of four Tuscan grandparents."

    Notice also that only three Tuscan grandparents were mandatory, not four. This info may be confirmed in the following link, related to one of the samples:
    https://www.coriell.org/0/Sections/S...20536&PgId=166
    "Remarks: 'At least three out of four grandparents were born in Tuscany'"

    Don't know if any of them had an "outsider" grandparent. Still...

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