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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Thanks
    He is G2a2a1-L166
    part of Lech valley beakers
    Split is
    Barcin 56.6
    Yamnaya 35.4
    WHG 8.1
    Nothing else.......found with 3 other samples of which 2 are R1b









    what is 1563BC now.......?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    What does it mean? What other "Latin" samples?

    They are similar because Etruscans and Latins, as already claimed by archeology, descended by similar prehistoric and protohistoric cultures.


    In fact, all the archaeologists (who have a knowledge of etruscology) I have talked to, or who have talked to my friends, have all made the same comment on this study: these results are not at all a surprise.
    My comment is based on my observation that I have only seen Italians get the Latin samples R850 and R437, on this calculator.

    What do you (they) think about those samples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    What does it mean? What other "Latin" samples?

    They are similar because Etruscans and Latins, as already claimed by archeology, descended by similar prehistoric and protohistoric cultures.


    In fact, all the archaeologists (who have a knowledge of etruscology) I have talked to, or who have talked to my friends, have all made the same comment on this study: these results are not at all a surprise.
    imho They were very different in Costumi e Cultura.

    The language between the two is also very different, so much so, that to this day, no one has been able to translate l’Etrusco.
    But you oh Messapo, Tamer of Horses ... that no one, with neither iron nor fire can break down! “Virgil”

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    I think I refreshed and got one more. I had heard that The Alps were mountains somewhere in Europe, but I didn't know that there had been life there due to the low temperatures, It must be very cold.

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    Jovialis, I've got that R437 and I'm not italian:

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    What do you think about it?



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    Cultures:

    R1 Protovillanovan




    R437 R850 Latin




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    Yep, I also have some ancient germanics in my life.

    Your Archaeogenetic Map of Germania - GIF






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    i do not know what to make of these timelines anymore.....are they legit

    mine below



    what am I ...a celt, that crossed the alps and married an illyrian !!!!!


    I MUST BE A
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scordisci
    Fathers mtdna T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna T1a1e
    Sons mtdna K1a4o
    Mum paternal line R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line R1a-Z282

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    R1548 Roman, R1290 Medieval Italy, R114 Roman, SZ36 / SZ40 Post-Roman, R30 (Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto) Roman ...












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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    My comment is based on my observation that I have only seen Italians get the Latin samples R850 and R437, on this calculator.

    What do you (they) think about those samples?

    Frankly, I wouldn't use MTA to draw any conclusions or make any assumptions.


    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    imho They were very different in Costumi e Cultura.

    The language between the two is also very different, so much so, that to this day, no one has been able to translate l’Etrusco.

    They had obviously different culture but this is more evident later, after the ethnogenesis of both, it's hard to explain. But there are also some differences between Latins and other Italics.

    The Etruscan language has been translated, it's difficult to make progress in the knowledge of the Etruscan language because of the type of inscriptions that have survived, which are very repetitive and short and do not allow great improvements. Besides, the literary texts in the Etruscan language didn't survive.


    Archaic Latin is also very little attested, even less attested than the Etruscan language. Much of what we know about Latin comes from texts from the IV century BC onwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Well, torzio, who knows. You’re a Celt that crossed the Alps, kidnapped an Illyrian girl and goes to North Italy. On the other hand I am a Celt that crossed the Alps, kidnapped an Illyrian girl and goes to Iberia. Lol. Hugs. :)

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    It is not a PCA of mine but I would like to know what this PCA suggests? Is it possible, is it credible, is it real, is it imputed?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    It is not a PCA of mine but I would like to know what this PCA suggests? Is it possible, is it credible, is it real, is it imputed?




    Hispanic / Latin-American!
    (they’re not a race)

    or @Duarte’s cousin ... a mixed great grandchild of ODESSA ?
    ... from Argentina, Brazil, ... could be :)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ODESSA

    fyi ... Hispanic and Latino are often used interchangeably though they actually mean two different things. Hispanic refers to people who speak Spanish and/or are descended from Spanish-speaking populations, while Latino refers to people who are from or descended from people from Latin America ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Hispanic / Latin-American!
    (they’re not a race)

    or @Duarte’s cousin ... a mixed great grandchild of ODESSA ?
    ... from Argentina, Brazil, ... could be :)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ODESSA

    fyi ... Hispanic and Latino are often used interchangeably though they actually mean two different things. Hispanic refers to people who speak Spanish and/or are descended from Spanish-speaking populations, while Latino refers to people who are from or descended from people from Latin America ...
    Yes, I agree with Salento. I think that the owner of this charming PCA is a Latin American cousin.


    I prefer do not have a cousin, mixed great grandchild of ODESSA. But in a mixed Brazil, everything is possible.


    In fact I know some Nazis came to Brazil. Josef Mengele, the doctor and monster from Auschwitz, known as the Angel of Death was one of them. Came to Brazil in 1961 and, with the help of Nazi sympathizers, rececived the name of Peter Hochbichler, an alleged Austrian immigrant. With the help of Nazi sympathetic immigrants he was hired by the Hungarian couple Geza and Gitta Stammer to run their coffee farm. Mengele had no qualms and Geza found out that Mengele and his wife had an affair. That was when the most wanted war criminal of all time was forced to relocate. From then on, he roamed several cities in São Paulo State. He lived in Brazil until February 7, 1979, when he drowned on the paradise beach of Bertioga, coast of the State of São Paulo. It was wanted alive or dead and the reward was $ 3.4 million. His son Rolf Jenckel, now a lawyer in Munich, Germany, has never requested his father's body and his skeleton has been used since 2016 as teaching material in forensic medicine classes at the University of São Paulo - USP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuxx View Post
    Jovialis, I've got that R437 and I'm not italian:

    83. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PS (300 BC) ..... 17.26 - R437 -
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    What do you think about it?


    I don't know, but I do know I have a relatively close similarity to Southern Albanians. Perhaps that may have something to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    Frankly, I wouldn't use MTA to draw any conclusions or make any assumptions.
    They had obviously different culture but this is more evident later, after the ethnogenesis of both, it's hard to explain. But there are also some differences between Latins and other Italics.
    The Etruscan language has been translated, it's difficult to make progress in the knowledge of the Etruscan language because of the type of inscriptions that have survived, which are very repetitive and short and do not allow great improvements. Besides, the literary texts in the Etruscan language didn't survive.
    Archaic Latin is also very little attested, even less attested than the Etruscan language. Much of what we know about Latin comes from texts from the IV century BC onwards.
    But what is your (their) take on those samples though? Even without MTA, I would assume I have a close affinity to R850 and R437, they plot close to southern Italians. Plus, the study models them consistent to what we assume about bronze-age/ iron age southern Italy. (High in Anatolian_N+CHG/IN)
    Last edited by Jovialis; 14-12-19 at 23:07.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    But what is your (their) take on those samples though? Even without MTA I would assumed I would have a close affinity to R850 and R437, they plot close to southern Italians. Plus, the study models them consistent to what we assume about bronze-age/ iron age southern Italy. (High in Anatolian_N+CHG/IN)
    Yes R850 has 48% of Anatolian north or as some say Barcin

    but this is what one reports says

    As a conclusion, individual R850 carries ancestry equal to and very similar to "Copper Age Anatolia", "Greece_Mycenaean", "Anatolia_MLBA" and "Anatolia_IA.SG". So individual R850 has a contitunity of ancestry from Copper Age until the Iron Age of Anatolia and is is very close to Mycenaean from the Aegean. This pattern is not seen in the preceding and other individuals. The study mentions that individual R850 carries more ancestry from the incoming source, showing that he is an Early Iron Age migrant from Anatolian / Aegean region and fits an ancestry pattern of the thesis of "minority migrant elite Etruscans". This pattern is clearly indicating the migration mentioned in the ancient sources made by the Pelasgian population. The Rutuli is also clearly an Etruscan elite group located in the Ardean city (in a region in which the Latins are majority), and probably related to the ancestry of early Iron Age Etruscan kings in Rome (whom became Latinized in the subsequent periods).

    The Etruscan female individual R475 carries ~53% ancestry from Late Neolithic Moroccan. Late Neolithic Moroccan ancestry is most likely related to the 3000 BCE, the Neolithic site of Kelif el Boroud (Fregel et al 2018). The individual with id "KEB" belonged to Y-haplogroup T-CTS2214 living on the Atlantic coast. So, although individual R475 is an Etruscan female, the ancestry can also be related to the timeline of Y-haplogroup T . The Late Neolithic site of Kelif el Boroud is also probably related to the Eneolithic / Chalcolithic geographical migration of a population mentioned in the Harney et al 2018 study, the Late Chalcolithic Peqi'in people from the Levant with Y-haplogroup T were hypothesized to come from the earlier Neolithic Northern Anatolian region with specific ancestry from "Anatolia_N" and "Iran_Chl" (this is not seen in the preceding and subsequent Levantine populations). These T people left the Levant through Anatolia and eventually to Iberia, crossing the sea to Morocco. There is no T-CTS2214 in North Africa except in Morocco with the KEB sample. The "Anatolia_N" ancestry among the Peqi'in people is unique.

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    Although there is no direct historical or genetic information about the origins of Rome, archaeological evidence suggests that in the early Iron Age, it was a small city-state, among many culturally and politically similar Etruscan and Latin neighbors (24–26). Their contact with Greek and Phoenician-Punic colonies is evident in the incorporation of materials not available locally, such as ivory, amber, and ostrich eggshell, and design motifs such as lions, sphinxes, and palmettes, into Etruscan art and culture (3, 6).
    The Iron Age individuals exhibit highly variable ancestries, hinting at multiple sources of migration into the region during this period (Figs. 2A and 3B). Although we were able to model eight of the 11 individuals as two-way mixtures of Copper Age central Italians and a Steppe-related population (~24 to 38%) using qpAdm, this model was rejected for the other three individuals (p < 0.001; table S16). Instead, two individuals from Latin sites (R437 and R850) can be modeled as a mixture between local people and an ancient Near Eastern population (best approximated by Bronze Age Armenian or Iron Age Anatolian; tables S17 and S18). An Etruscan individual (R475) carries significant African ancestry identified by f-statistics (|Z-score|>3; fig. S23) and can be modeled with ~53% ancestry from Late Neolithic Moroccan (table S19). Together these results suggest substantial genetic heterogeneity within the Etruscan (n = 3 individuals) and Latin (n = 6) groups. However, using f-statistics, we did not find significant genetic differentiation between the Etruscans and Latins in allele sharing with any preceding or contemporaneous population (|Z-score|<2), although the power to detect subtle genetic differentiation is limited by the small sample size.
    An excerpt from the study.

    4 of the 6 Latins were similar to Etruscans.

    It is a small sample size, so one could look at those 2 "outliers" as accounting for 1/3rd or 33% of the Latin samples.

    I think that's significant.

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    @jovialis: Yes maybe, we can only see if other albanians share.

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    Cool Salento.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    But what is your (their) take on those samples though? Even without MTA, I would assume I have a close affinity to R850 and R437, they plot close to southern Italians. Plus, the study models them consistent to what we assume about bronze-age/ iron age southern Italy. (High in Anatolian_N+CHG/IN)

    I don't think the MTA is an accurate tool so I don't have any take.

    To draw further conclusions we need more samples, and of course also those from southern Italy between Bronze and Iron Age.

    It only takes patience, it is useless to spend time now formulating hypotheses without further information. In my opinion.

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    These Ancient samples found in Italy are a close enough match to the Italians.
    I don't see where the problem is.

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