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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... GedMatch EUtest V2 K15
    Kit Num: AG4512653)

    R1 Oracle

    Single Population Sharing:
    1 North_Italian 6.14
    2 Tuscan 6.17
    3 Italian_Abruzzo 10.89
    4 West_Sicilian 11.02
    5 Greek 11.31
    6 Spanish_Andalucia 11.34
    7 Spanish_Extremadura 11.51
    8 Spanish_Murcia 11.59
    9 Bulgarian 11.87
    10 Portuguese 12.23

    Mixed mode
    1 59.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 40.3% Southwest_French @2.77
    Interesting. I'm close to 5 for both North Italian and Tuscan in Eurogenes.

    So much for there's been no continuity in Italy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I have R1, R437, and R850 uploaded to MTA, in AncestryDNA format. They are actually a bit closer to themselves, in that format than the WGS combined format.

    Here are some interesting observations I've made between these samples in the Regional Archeogenetic map of Ancient Rome:


    • R1 is only linked to R437, among the Antonio M. et al 2019 Iron Age samples. There is a connection in the Roman Republican period.



    • R437 is linked to R1 in the Bronze age, and R850 in the Iron Age.



    • R850 is only linked to R437 in the Roman Republican period.


    My speculation is perhaps the Latins were a merger of R1-like, and R850-like admixture.

    R1+R850=R437

    I can produce GIF of my observations. But I'm a little busy helping with Christmas dinner at the moment, so maybe not today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post

    thanks

    i do not know if they are linked or not

    but , I get R1 as my #1 choice and the other 2 do not appear in my first 100
    Fathers mtdna T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna T1a1e
    Sons mtdna K1a4o
    Mum paternal line R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    thanks

    i do not know if they are linked or not

    but , I get R1 as my #1 choice and the other 2 do not appear in my first 100
    Idk, but R1 gets only R437 in the Republican era, and not to any others from the Iron age samples.

    R1 also has a relatively strong affinity to Scythians and Illyrians.

    850 has a relatively strong affinity to copper age Anatolia; in the study, it says it can form a clade with it.

    Among those three samples, I noticed only 437 has a link to the Sicily Beaker in the Bronze Age.

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    Another important observation is the link these Iron age samples have to future samples, like the Imperial era. Samples that the study tries to argue changed Rome in the Imperial era.

    Well I guess the fact that Latins from the previous eras get those samples too, confounds that narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    thanks

    i do not know if they are linked or not

    but , I get R1 as my #1 choice and the other 2 do not appear in my first 100
    R1 get R120 (y T1a2 - T-L446) in the Top 100, what about you ???

    R850 (also a y T), R437 and I do Not get R120 in the top 100.

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post593611

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    R1 get R120 (y T1a2 - T-L446) in the Top 100, what about you ???

    R850 (also a y T), R437 and I do Not get R120 in the top 100.

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post593611
    R120 .............I do not get in my top 100

    CL23 the other T ydna is my #14 ...........................I do not know why they state this as iberian, when he is born in bulgaria, raised in Pannonia and died in Italy ..........maybe his mum is iberian



    do you get this below from Sochi russia


    52. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 15.89 - MJ12 -
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Idk, but R1 gets only R437 in the Republican era, and not to any others from the Iron age samples.

    R1 also has a relatively strong affinity to Scythians and Illyrians.

    850 has a relatively strong affinity to copper age Anatolia; in the study, it says it can form a clade with it.

    Among those three samples, I noticed only 437 has a link to the Sicily Beaker in the Bronze Age.

    Yes, R1 is very strong with Scythians, Illyrians and Thracians ............I get all Dalmatians and all Scythians ( moldova )

    I get zero samples with Anatolia or levant ( except a crusader from 1000AD )

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    Another interesting observation is that the Latin Prenestini R437 has a relatively strong affinity to the Imperial Prenestini R436; as do I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    R120 .............I do not get in my top 100

    CL23 the other T ydna is my #14 ...........................I do not know why they state this as iberian, when he is born in bulgaria, raised in Pannonia and died in Italy ..........maybe his mum is iberian



    do you get this below from Sochi russia


    52. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 15.89 - MJ12 -
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    I do not, I get this instead:




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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I do not, I get this instead:


    seems like in MTA......you went to europe via south of the black sea .......and I , north of the black sea


    i only get this

    32. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 14.31 - I3499 -
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    the sochi one

    and one from 900BC

    these are the Thracians I get



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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Yes, R1 is very strong with Scythians, Illyrians and Thracians ............I get all Dalmatians and all Scythians ( moldova )

    I get zero samples with Anatolia or levant ( except a crusader from 1000AD )

    I do not get any Greek or southern balkans either in anything in MTA .........


    I get this in my heritage
    Ethnicity EstimateYou have 3 ethnicities
    Italian 70.2%

    Balkan 15.6%

    Irish, Scottish, and Welsh 14.2%

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    R120 .............I do not get in my top 100

    CL23 the other T ydna is my #14 ...........................I do not know why they state this as iberian, when he is born in bulgaria, raised in Pannonia and died in Italy ..........maybe his mum is iberian



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    52. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 15.89 - MJ12 -
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    R120 has the following positive SNP's....L131, Y6033, FGC23008, Z19913 and 18 others

    he sits here
    https://www.yfull.com/branch-info/T-Y6033/#t1-tab
    Last edited by torzio; 28-12-19 at 01:25.

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    What are your OUTLIERS ......and do they have reflection on your migrational path


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    My #1 sample, below, slightly increased the Total cM


    Protovillanovia Martinsicuro


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    R1

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    Total cM=88.26
    Largest segment=14.43 cM (7 shared. Sample quality: 94) - Your raw DNA is 85% closer than other matching users

    Chr. 5
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    Chr. 6
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    Chr. 7
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    Chr. 8
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    Chr. 11
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    I don't understand --- if we can only detect family relations out to 4-5th cousins --- how can true-ancestry claim to detect it so far back? Isn't it more just a case of "you have roughly same ethnicity-make-up as this ancient person"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yinwang888 View Post
    I don't understand --- if we can only detect family relations out to 4-5th cousins --- how can true-ancestry claim to detect it so far back? Isn't it more just a case of "you have roughly same ethnicity-make-up as this ancient person"
    Yes, exactly. I can play in K15 Ancient (http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k15ancient-vahaduo.htm) for fun with my results compared to ancients but not to take it seriously that I'm straight descendant of Av2 or Sunghir sample, this is just similarity... The same situation is with MTA results:)

    Moreover it was proven many times that especially deep dive is unreliable or at least cM values are few times higher than it should be.

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    my Roman Era Iberia:




    Deep Dive Map:


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    The sample R474 is practically me in relation to my own kit.

    The Etruscan samples also have stutters in the 200 examples, perhaps there are no segments for the quality of the samples.

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    R74


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    Sorry romans But nothing is for ever. Maybe you came to believe that it was all over with us but in fact it had just started lol

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    3. Etruscan Civitavecchia (650 BC) ..... 9.714 - R474 - Similar Samples:



    Some related to R474 with details:




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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    my Roman Era Iberia:




    Deep Dive Map:

    Yes, I guess they liked the climate. :) The one from the Roman Villa in Tarragona is intriguing. I like Tarragona, nice city, and nice amphitheater, too. I like Catalonia as a whole a lot, feel very "at home" there.





    Ah, wait, two other villa ones from the south as well. So, settlers probably, not just merchants or whatever.

    @Carlos,
    Getting a bit rude, aren't we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post


    Sorry romans But nothing is for ever. Maybe you came to believe that it was all over with us but in fact it had just started lol
    I'm starting to find that these values are wrong. For example, R1548 is supposed to be my number 1 on MTA, but it is far from it. Currently R973 is my number on the Dodecad K12b version I am compiling on mlukas's site.

    Northern Italians are actually closer to most Latins and Etruscans samples, than Spaniards:

    Example:

    Distance to: IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
    2.98306889 IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    5.54009928 IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
    6.03394564 IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
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    8.21318452 North_Italian
    8.35141305 Baleares
    8.99323635 IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
    10.23018573 N_Italian
    11.22772016 Galicia
    11.69795281 Spaniards
    12.46485459 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    12.50926457 Extremadura
    12.55556052 Castilla_Y_Leon
    12.62493168 Andalucia
    12.85807528 Murcia
    12.91240102 Cataluna
    13.51998891 Cantabria
    13.52852172 Valencia
    13.65238807 Spanish
    13.82596109 Portuguese
    14.50117581 Castilla_La_Mancha
    14.70424769 Aragon
    15.78121351 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
    15.92883863 TSI30
    16.54642257 Canarias

    Distance to: IA_Civitavecchia_R473
    3.27873451 IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
    5.78160877 North_Italian
    5.95183165 IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
    6.29099356 IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
    6.78988218 IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    8.38279786 N_Italian
    8.87318996 Baleares
    10.23676218 IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
    10.98056465 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    11.14162017 Galicia
    12.35530251 Murcia
    12.82465984 Extremadura
    13.07071153 Spaniards
    13.12059831 TSI30
    13.36231642 Andalucia
    13.40997763 Castilla_Y_Leon
    13.81376849 Portuguese
    14.28975507 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
    14.40643953 Cataluna
    14.67480494 Spanish
    15.05738689 Tuscan
    15.22069315 Cantabria
    15.23212067 Castilla_La_Mancha
    15.39107858 Valencia
    16.25906824 Aragon

    Distance to: IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    2.98306889 IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
    5.03751923 IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
    5.14806760 IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
    6.75586412 North_Italian
    6.78988218 IA_Civitavecchia_R473
    8.69822970 N_Italian
    9.72521465 Baleares
    10.82441684 IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
    11.71405566 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    12.72055816 Galicia
    13.65209874 Spaniards
    13.66606015 Andalucia
    13.68447295 Extremadura
    13.72961762 TSI30
    14.12451061 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
    14.14446181 Murcia
    14.19710534 Castilla_Y_Leon
    14.95184938 Cataluna
    14.96557049 Portuguese
    15.46727513 Tuscan
    15.51092518 Spanish
    15.51673290 Valencia
    15.71011776 Cantabria
    16.39121106 Castilla_La_Mancha
    16.74619360 Aragon

    Distance to: IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
    4.01160816 IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
    5.03751923 IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    5.15760603 North_Italian
    5.95183165 IA_Civitavecchia_R473
    6.03394564 IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
    7.87889586 N_Italian
    8.24389471 Baleares
    11.06406345 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    11.32371847 Andalucia
    11.42493764 IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
    11.42629424 Galicia
    11.95574339 Murcia
    12.07648128 Extremadura
    12.25715301 TSI30
    12.59229129 Spaniards
    12.99406788 Castilla_Y_Leon
    13.45805707 Portuguese
    14.10107088 Tuscan
    14.26729827 Cataluna
    14.31892454 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
    14.36500609 Spanish
    14.53080865 Valencia
    14.78261817 Castilla_La_Mancha
    14.93880183 Canarias
    14.97183356 Cantabria

    Distance to: IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
    3.27873451 IA_Civitavecchia_R473
    4.01160816 IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
    5.14806760 IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    5.24512154 North_Italian
    5.54009928 IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
    8.03976368 N_Italian
    8.21257572 Baleares
    10.85773457 Galicia
    10.87764221 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    10.98685578 IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
    11.64063572 Murcia
    12.06155048 Extremadura
    12.15138675 Andalucia
    12.49035628 TSI30
    12.74874111 Castilla_Y_Leon
    12.84337962 Spaniards
    13.02558636 Portuguese
    14.10738814 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
    14.29485922 Spanish
    14.48704249 Cataluna
    14.48716673 Tuscan
    14.59809577 Canarias
    15.02812031 Castilla_La_Mancha
    15.03589040 Valencia
    15.10769340 Cantabria

    Distance to: IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    5.40006481 N_Italian
    7.56863924 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
    8.09843195 North_Italian
    10.68767982 IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
    10.87764221 IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
    10.98056465 IA_Civitavecchia_R473
    11.06406345 IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
    11.71405566 IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    12.03535625 LA_Celio_R36
    12.08194107 Baleares
    12.08642627 O_Italian
    12.12151393 TSI30
    12.46485459 IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
    12.76096000 Galicia
    13.43684859 Extremadura
    14.08415422 Portuguese
    14.15437388 Tuscan
    14.17464638 Albanian_North
    14.26640459 Albanian_Kosovo
    15.65916026 Murcia
    15.83631902 Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549
    16.08680515 Castilla_Y_Leon
    16.25876994 LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118
    16.41527642 Cataluna
    16.49286816 French

    Distance to: IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
    7.11862346 O_Italian
    7.18894985 N_Italian
    7.51609606 Albanian_North
    7.56863924 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    7.76251248 Albanian_Kosovo
    8.94220890 LA_Celio_R36
    9.42569891 TSI30
    10.32626263 North_Italian
    10.61324644 Tuscan
    12.67284893 C_Italian
    12.72463359 Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549
    13.02779337 MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970
    13.46066492 LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121
    13.87592880 MA_Villa_Magna_R60
    14.10656230 LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118
    14.10738814 IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
    14.12451061 IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    14.28975507 IA_Civitavecchia_R473
    14.31892454 IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
    15.04893352 Bulgarians
    15.06029880 Romanians
    15.41974708 Bulgarian
    15.78121351 IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
    15.89171168 MA_Villa_Magna_R1290
    16.03948877 Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836

    Distance to: IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
    4.59913035 S_Italian_Sicilian
    4.83577295 Sicilian
    5.37071690 Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836
    5.58436209 MA_Villa_Magna_R1290
    5.75484144 MA_Villa_Magna_R65
    5.92564764 MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R973
    6.53716299 MA_Villa_Magna_R59
    6.57532509 LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R118
    6.62618291 C_Italian
    8.68328855 LA_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_R121
    9.89564551 MA_Villa_Magna_R60
    10.09640530 MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R970
    10.16248001 Ashkenazi
    10.49031935 Tuscan
    10.64005169 Ashkenazy_Jews
    11.10535456 LA_Celio_R36
    11.26179382 Greek
    11.34612709 Greek_Crete
    11.40172794 Sephardic_Jews
    11.72748055 TSI30
    11.99572424 O_Italian
    12.17614060 Imperial_Monterotondo_R1548
    12.92229856 Morocco_Jews
    13.00421086 MA_Villa_Magna_R57
    13.37198938 Imperial_Monterotondo_R1549

    Distance to: IA_Latin_Ardea_R850
    3.90799181 Greek_Crete
    4.90446735 Imperial_Monterotondo_R1548
    7.13377179 Ashkenazy_Jews
    7.74058137 Sephardic_Jews
    7.82175172 Ashkenazi
    9.49243910 MA_Villa_Magna_R65
    10.15725357 S_Italian_Sicilian
    10.43784940 Sicilian
    10.88449356 Greek_Cappadocia
    11.74901272 MA_Villa_Magna_R59
    11.86263040 Cypriots
    11.99563671 MA_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_R973
    12.08694751 Nusayri_Turkey
    12.19292418 Morocco_Jews
    13.12759689 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
    13.17106678 Turk_West_BlackSea
    13.49063008 Turk_Central_West
    13.55089296 MA_Villa_Magna_R1290
    14.08757609 Imperial_Civitanova_Marche_R836
    14.10277987 IA_Latin_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
    14.16544387 Greek
    14.43175665 Turk_Central_East
    14.45064012 Turk_Anatolia
    14.88196224 MA_Villa_Magna_R60
    15.19421600 Turk_Southwest


    The only one that I see is closest to Iberians is R435:

    Distance to: IA_Latin_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
    7.26140482 Baleares
    7.44595192 Galicia
    7.98874208 Cataluna
    8.99323635 IA_Latin_Ardea_R851
    9.01121523 Spaniards
    9.17724359 Extremadura
    9.91413133 Castilla_Y_Leon
    10.23676218 IA_Civitavecchia_R473
    10.27070105 Portuguese
    10.32665483 Spanish
    10.44412754 French
    10.63531852 Cantabria
    10.68767982 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    10.82441684 IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    10.98685578 IA_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
    11.10933391 French
    11.39798228 Murcia
    11.42493764 IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
    11.60238769 Valencia
    11.86962510 Castilla_La_Mancha
    12.09465584 North_Italian
    12.27742644 N_Italian
    12.63263235 Aragon
    12.88846771 Andalucia
    16.05179118 Canarias

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    R1548 rank #1 on MTA, #4 on the most recent Rs (only) on Dod. K12b

    (... data limitations - but a small comparison between the two):




    18. Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1100 AD) ..... 12.87
    - R65

    (R836 N/A)

    62. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PS (300 BC) ..... 16.85
    - R437

    1. Hellenic Roman Monterotondo (165 AD) ..... 10.39
    - R1548

    22. Latin Tribe Ardea (650 BC) ..... 13.51
    - R850

    (R1549 N/A)

    85. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 18.95
    - R1
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